Dating out of my "league"
05-29-2012, 02:56 PM
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IOW... Friend Zone. 
05-29-2012, 03:19 PM
#122
You guys are all over each other, things are good, forget about playing games with her. She's probably used to such games anyway. Attempts to play such games carries a risk of her thinking you're just like other guys who just want to put it in her ass. An ass that we still need pictures of.
05-29-2012, 03:27 PM
#123
Great advice: Pretend to not be a man so as to not come across as playing games.
05-29-2012, 03:35 PM
#124
The danger is that she will think he's just looking for rebound sex and will fuck anything that comes along right now.
His goal is a real relationship, not just a quick wham bam thank you ma'am.
05-29-2012, 04:10 PM
#125
Originally Posted by leedogg
*Attempts to play such games carries a risk of her thinking you're just like other guys who just want to put it in her ass.
The danger is that she will think he's just looking for rebound sex and will fuck anything that comes along right now.
His goal is a real relationship, not just a quick wham bam thank you ma'am.
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05-29-2012, 04:18 PM
#126
I'll say it another way:
Employing a strategy that communicates to women that you are "different" because you feel your sexual interests are irrelevant is a game. You are openly trying to manipulate the outcome in your favor, which is fine under most accounts, but with your strategy you're taking a position that is not consistent with your own desires. This puts HER desires ahead of your own, and that's not sustainable or healthy, but it says a lot about the person who does do this.
Employing a strategy that communicates to women that you are "different" because you feel your sexual interests are irrelevant is a game. You are openly trying to manipulate the outcome in your favor, which is fine under most accounts, but with your strategy you're taking a position that is not consistent with your own desires. This puts HER desires ahead of your own, and that's not sustainable or healthy, but it says a lot about the person who does do this.
05-29-2012, 04:37 PM
#127
With girls that hot, finding guys that want to fuck them, is not a problem. Finding guys that are interested in more than just sex is the problem. The cocky arrogant ones that dont care about her are more likely to just want sex. Most girls find this type of guy irresistible until they've been around the block a few times, then they wise up and find a guy who's not a cocky arrogant asshole. He's showing her that he's willing to wait for sex, he values a relationship more. You're right he needs to show interest in the sex, but he just needs to be flirtatious about it. play off how much she's making him suffer by waiting 5 dates. The fact that they agreed to wait 5 dates is already an indicator for me that she's interested in getting physical, but wants to wait a bit. Otherwise the matter wouldnt have even come up.
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05-29-2012, 06:57 PM
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wife agrees, friend zone. 
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06-01-2012, 10:38 AM
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You sure she doesn't want to fuck bro?
06-01-2012, 10:38 AM
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Next time she calls you bro, tell her you want to fuck your sister. 
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06-01-2012, 10:43 AM
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Can we change Never Summer's name again.. say.. Fifth Date or Friendzone
06-01-2012, 10:44 AM
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06-01-2012, 12:47 PM
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06-01-2012, 01:31 PM
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NeverGettingLaid has a better ring to it 
So how many dates has it been so far? Just because things are going well doesnt mean you can suddenly cut us off. We want details and more importantly NSFW pics.
So how many dates has it been so far? Just because things are going well doesnt mean you can suddenly cut us off. We want details and more importantly NSFW pics.
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06-04-2012, 09:48 PM
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Pics or it didn't happen.
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06-04-2012, 09:48 PM
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06-04-2012, 11:01 PM
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06-04-2012, 11:10 PM
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One thing that's always worked well for me - Tell yourself before going into it that you genuinely don't care the outcome. For me, this removed any stress/worry/need to impress, which leads to a much cooler/calmer person.
Oh snap!
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Forgot to add, this girl smokes as much weed as I did in my prime (18-20), and with all of the Xanax I'm dosed on it makes for a shitload of fun. I forgot how high of a tolerance I had for alcohol/xanax/marijuana... Probably not a good thing however.
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06-05-2012, 08:04 AM
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Aaaaaaaaaa, so she needs some drug infusion in order to tolerate you, gotcha, gotcha... and she passed out naked on on top of you... awww 
Three dates. 60 hours of masturbation.
Three dates. 60 hours of masturbation.
06-05-2012, 08:50 AM
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well, that was a mistake.
Your first date shouldn't have been dinner to begin with, that should be reserved for girls you're already having sex with. But it was scheduled so i didn't offer any advice to the contrary.
Now that the date is over though, an analysis is in order.
You don't want to spend 21 hours on your first date together because 1.) it sets up the false pretense that you don't have better shit to do 2.) it sets up the idea that you do not control the dynamic 3.) her hamster brain works best with intermittent doses of you, spread across time away from you 4.) and in this case, you resigned to spending time with her without any sort of sexual contact
what you have here is the potential for the friend-zone, if that's not already a foregone conclusion.
Your first date shouldn't have been dinner to begin with, that should be reserved for girls you're already having sex with. But it was scheduled so i didn't offer any advice to the contrary.
Now that the date is over though, an analysis is in order.
You don't want to spend 21 hours on your first date together because 1.) it sets up the false pretense that you don't have better shit to do 2.) it sets up the idea that you do not control the dynamic 3.) her hamster brain works best with intermittent doses of you, spread across time away from you 4.) and in this case, you resigned to spending time with her without any sort of sexual contact
what you have here is the potential for the friend-zone, if that's not already a foregone conclusion.
don't lie to us.
She made the decision not to fuck you until the fifth date, you just agreed.
The sad part is that if she felt that there was any way you might lose interest in her and find someone else before then, she wouldn't put that out there. She's confident you're not going anywhere, and you're probably not very exciting to her as a consequence.
She might use you for a casual fuck, because she thinks you're cute, but you're emotionally involved already and i don't see this ending well.
I suggest you try to make her jealous asap, you need to change the power dynamic into your favor.
This all probably sounds ridiculous to you but believe me there's a method in the madness.
She made the decision not to fuck you until the fifth date, you just agreed.
The sad part is that if she felt that there was any way you might lose interest in her and find someone else before then, she wouldn't put that out there. She's confident you're not going anywhere, and you're probably not very exciting to her as a consequence.
She might use you for a casual fuck, because she thinks you're cute, but you're emotionally involved already and i don't see this ending well.
I suggest you try to make her jealous asap, you need to change the power dynamic into your favor.
This all probably sounds ridiculous to you but believe me there's a method in the madness.
i'm not saying they have to fake confidence, i'm saying that genuine confidence is earned. Projecting a confident image, without genuine confidence, is doomed to fail in the medium- and long-term.
I personally don't agree that his input indicates he is a very confident person, and he probably doesn't have a lot of experience, that part is normal given his age, but to tell him that he just needs to be confident is not the best advice. Confidence is attractive because it's not very common, at least when it comes to women, and it's mostly attractive because of what it tells a woman about him.
Not all, but the vast majority. Defining a dating strategy based on outliers is just foolish. This is not just about this one girl, this is about girls in general and forming a best-practices approach to not only fucking them but keeping them around. And guess what, if a girl is fucking you, most of the time she wants you around for more than a night.
Girls like male attention and time more than they like fucking them. She got mostly what she probably wanted out of him, that is his reverence and affection, and she didn't even have to put out. This doesn't mean that there is necessarily a direct correlation between the amount of time she spent with him and the likely-hood that she finds him very attractive and a good fit for him. In terms of what is best generally speaking, 21 hours and no sexual contact, even if it were just 1st or 2nd base, is not going to get him where he probably wants. The thing is, he may be settling for her and not even know it at this point. This changes the power dynamic. He'll supplicate, be at her beck and call, etc. The point is that that isn't attractive, and it doesn't produce the sort of results that he probably wants.
I think they can tell, which is why you don't want to start off on the wrong foot, but since his original behavior is not going to work anyway, he may as well try to salvage the potential. She might be pleasantly surprised.
You don't address how a man deals with women only based on one girl. You build on multiple experiences. It's about breaking bad habits.
If they "had a good time together", that's fine, but that statement doesn't define or even attempt to describe the psychology of the encounter, and what is best in terms of getting laid and escalating the relationship after the fact. Because guess what, unless they're mormon/muslim/orthodox jews, they will never be bf/gf until they fuck first. And believe me, she's either a tease or she likes to fuck, regardless she's showing off her body like that because it draws male interest and attention, that part is obvious. Plus her jaw is fairly masculine, which leads me to believe that she has heightened levels of testosterone, and that's typical of girls who like to fuck without much commitment.
I personally don't agree that his input indicates he is a very confident person, and he probably doesn't have a lot of experience, that part is normal given his age, but to tell him that he just needs to be confident is not the best advice. Confidence is attractive because it's not very common, at least when it comes to women, and it's mostly attractive because of what it tells a woman about him.
Not all, but the vast majority. Defining a dating strategy based on outliers is just foolish. This is not just about this one girl, this is about girls in general and forming a best-practices approach to not only fucking them but keeping them around. And guess what, if a girl is fucking you, most of the time she wants you around for more than a night.
Girls like male attention and time more than they like fucking them. She got mostly what she probably wanted out of him, that is his reverence and affection, and she didn't even have to put out. This doesn't mean that there is necessarily a direct correlation between the amount of time she spent with him and the likely-hood that she finds him very attractive and a good fit for him. In terms of what is best generally speaking, 21 hours and no sexual contact, even if it were just 1st or 2nd base, is not going to get him where he probably wants. The thing is, he may be settling for her and not even know it at this point. This changes the power dynamic. He'll supplicate, be at her beck and call, etc. The point is that that isn't attractive, and it doesn't produce the sort of results that he probably wants.
I think they can tell, which is why you don't want to start off on the wrong foot, but since his original behavior is not going to work anyway, he may as well try to salvage the potential. She might be pleasantly surprised.
You don't address how a man deals with women only based on one girl. You build on multiple experiences. It's about breaking bad habits.
If they "had a good time together", that's fine, but that statement doesn't define or even attempt to describe the psychology of the encounter, and what is best in terms of getting laid and escalating the relationship after the fact. Because guess what, unless they're mormon/muslim/orthodox jews, they will never be bf/gf until they fuck first. And believe me, she's either a tease or she likes to fuck, regardless she's showing off her body like that because it draws male interest and attention, that part is obvious. Plus her jaw is fairly masculine, which leads me to believe that she has heightened levels of testosterone, and that's typical of girls who like to fuck without much commitment.
let me re-quote you:
All men want to have sex. Pretending to not want to have sex is pretending that you are a woman. This is a strategy that you are suggesting he employ to "get" this girl. I couldn't disagree more. Castrating yourself, or your desires, is not effective. I'm not suggesting he whip his dick out at the dinner table, but denying his sexual desires and even being casually upfront about it isn't going to hurt him if in fact she is interested. But that only illustrates the point: If she's not interested, this sort of behavior will only cut to the chase and allow for more effective hunting and less time wasted.
That is highly improbable given the lack of game he's exhibiting. The clearest danger in this scenario is that he will be in the friend-zone.
It doesn't matter, the strategy doesn't need to vary. She should be the one to "need" a relationship, not him, that's what makes a strong relationship where the man is in charge, or leading the dynamic. Here's news for you, that is what is most attractive to women. Feminists disagree, but good luck if you're trying to have sex with attractive women and you're trying to appease feminists. Subscribing to your methodology will only leave you with a sore wrist.
All men want to have sex. Pretending to not want to have sex is pretending that you are a woman. This is a strategy that you are suggesting he employ to "get" this girl. I couldn't disagree more. Castrating yourself, or your desires, is not effective. I'm not suggesting he whip his dick out at the dinner table, but denying his sexual desires and even being casually upfront about it isn't going to hurt him if in fact she is interested. But that only illustrates the point: If she's not interested, this sort of behavior will only cut to the chase and allow for more effective hunting and less time wasted.
That is highly improbable given the lack of game he's exhibiting. The clearest danger in this scenario is that he will be in the friend-zone.
It doesn't matter, the strategy doesn't need to vary. She should be the one to "need" a relationship, not him, that's what makes a strong relationship where the man is in charge, or leading the dynamic. Here's news for you, that is what is most attractive to women. Feminists disagree, but good luck if you're trying to have sex with attractive women and you're trying to appease feminists. Subscribing to your methodology will only leave you with a sore wrist.
i'll say it another way:
Employing a strategy that communicates to women that you are "different" because you feel your sexual interests are irrelevant is a game. You are openly trying to manipulate the outcome in your favor, which is fine under most accounts, but with your strategy you're taking a position that is not consistent with your own desires. This puts her desires ahead of your own, and that's not sustainable or healthy, but it says a lot about the person who does do this.
Employing a strategy that communicates to women that you are "different" because you feel your sexual interests are irrelevant is a game. You are openly trying to manipulate the outcome in your favor, which is fine under most accounts, but with your strategy you're taking a position that is not consistent with your own desires. This puts her desires ahead of your own, and that's not sustainable or healthy, but it says a lot about the person who does do this.
tucker max?!??
