I meant to say largely "ones" morals, though obviously not always.

Listen buddy, I don't need first hand experience to be able to tell what contributes largely to the debate.

My viewpoint is pro choice until science suggests the fetus has a developed brain. Many here seem to be using science to back up their pro choice stance, using it to classify when a fetus becomes an unborn child. So science clearly plays a large part.

On the other side of the spectrum, the pro lifers commonly refer to their religion in defense of their stance. I am again saying it is not always true, but the majority of the time it is.

The only thing you are accomplishing through your anecdotes is showing that your stances are not rock solid.

Mike

 

...and her doctor. I think there are some situations, at least theoritically, where the doctor wont perform an abortion if he believes the mother will not survive.

 

I think that's part of the problem dude and the reason you think that you know what contributes to the debate. Unless you're in that situation, you really don't know what you're thinking. Because I truly think that when it comes down to it, people will assess your current situation in life, along with your "partner's" and then make a choice.

 

^^ You two are talking about two slightly different standpoints. crazy is referring to general feelings, pro and con, about abortion/choice. CUNext is referring to personal feelings on the subject. While each case and circumstances is different, generally (notice, I didn't say always) people base their stance on their views of science and/or religion.

 

I guess I'm a lot less religious than most.

 

and how would that child feel growing up one day and finding out that his/her father was a rapist??? god i would be so pissed off...

 

Probably... America has one of the largest religious followings of any civilized country... Being from New Jersey you are less likely to be from that demographic.

Even in a personal situation, don't your morals either say its murder or not, regardless of your choice. Obviously you may decide on one or the other, but your underlying feelings about whether you are actually taking the life of a human are still based on soul vs. body, correct?

Mike

 

Everyone loves to hate on Jersey huh? I was probably brought up more religious than most, but I quickly form my own thoughts and opinions.

All I'm saying is that when I was in that situation, I was not thinking about whether the baby was alive or not, but what kind of life it would be leading if I were his/her father. And unless you've been in that situation, you don't know what you'd think.

My choice to be pro-choice is not based upon science, though I may think differently if I were on the other side of the fence.

 

I wasn't hating on Jersey(at least not now), simply stating its not as religious as a lot of the Southern States.

Your personal situations are just that, personal. If I were to decide with a partner that I knocked up that it be best she get an abortion, I don't expect I'd be looking at the embrio as a baby, but rather still looking at it as if I had not yet gotten her pregnant. I assume many kids my age probably see the situation like that, afterall, how many step up to take responsibility?

Mike

 

Pro-Choice

 

I think guys step up to take responsibility, but often that responsibility is to abort. You probably know a few people that have gone through this, but this is something that is extremely personal and most people don't let other people know.

 

pro abortion

and...we've done this thread before

 

I'm not going to read 7 pages.. but I am adopted but I am still pro choice.. I got lucky and found a good family. I still think the woman should have the choice of doing it or not.. She still has to live with it in the back of her mind for the rest of her life (which should be "punishment" or not)

 

Yeah but some pharmacies won't dispense the morning-after pill, what with religious beliefs and all.

 

Maybe, but who's liable if it gets f'ed up? You're dealing with a minor undergoing a surgical procedure, and you don't think Mom or Dad have the right to know? Hmmmmmm...

 

Well yeah, that's the caveat.

But given the choice between a safe medical procedure performed in a regulated environment, and visiting a back alley to let Homeless Jim use his coat hanger, I'd prefer my daughter went to a clinic without my knowledge.

Not that my daughter will feel the need to hide it from me. I learned from my parents' mistakes.

 

Ther are just so many ins and outs...should a husband have a legal say whether wifey keeps the baby or not? Should a boyfriend have a say whether his cheating girlfriend keeps the baby (his? who knows...) that he'll be on the hook for the next 18 years? I dated a chick who got pregnant, and I didn't think it best for the cheating girl to keep it. We had the paternity test (she passed!) but the next year was tortuous because she was irresponsible... a college grad who **quit** working and got on welfare. We argued all the time and if I said the baby needed THIS, she would surely say he needed THAT....in this case it would've been better (for me and the peaceful environment) that we avoid sharing parenthood.
I HAD to keep working to pay her child support, but SHE didn't have to hold a job. I had ZERO say as to how she spent the child support cash or whether she worked....you BET I'm pro choice. Not everyone who CAN be a parent SHOULD be a parent. The child suffers through no fault of their own, and despite a dad's best effort, mom has complete control...scary! In my case, I ended up terminating my parental rights after his first b-day because we could agree on nothing except the sex we'd had, haha! I was NOT looking forward to the next 17 year ordeal that could've been prevented for the cost of an abortion, though I love my son dearly to this day.

 

This is a very delicate subject. I've always been pro-choice, mostly because I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their own body. In fact, I don't think men should have much, if any, say in the matter at all.

 

I tried to search! But to no avail!

 

https://acurazine.com/forums/religion-politics-18/pro-life-pro-choice-simple-thread-336410/ for one...but I think this topic comes up at least monthly. I got over 400 hits using the wonderful Search hyperlink on the term abortion.

Oh well...such is the nature of Acurazine. It's my fault for getting sucked in over and over and over and over again.

 

I am kind of offended with that comment highlighted because black people are not the only ones that have abortions every race does that is kind of raciest comment in my opinion.



I am pro-choice

 

Black people also aren't the only ones in urban low-income areas.

I'm white as a snowflake and I spent most of my life in just that setting.

She also didn't say that low-income urbanites are the only ones having abortions. She simply said that birth control needs to be made more readily available to those who cannot afford it. How can you not wholeheartedly agree with that?

 

Doesn't matter. Personally, I think there are a lot of topics that can always be re-visited. It's not it's the same 10 people posting in here.

 

Didn't see her mention anything about black people in that post.

 

Who said anything about black people

 

way to stereotype black people to only ones living in urban areas...

 

there are hispanics too, and we know they love abortions

 

Who's the racist here?? Nobody said anything about black, and thats immediatly where you took it... Its people like you that keep racism where its at now.

 

I girl I knew of tried to drink the baby away...She didn't want to tell her parents she was knocked up...
it didn't work, but now she's raising a basically retarded child with a myriad of health/physical/mental problems....(fetal alcohol syndrome to the highest degree)

 

I see where your coming from and I agree. No one should be able to tell them what to do, but on the flip side. If you agree to have a child and I dont agree, then I should not be liable to pay you child support either, because I was not invloved in that decision.

I just think that its unfair for a women to bring a child into this world, not tell the guy that the baby is his, then come after him for child support.

 

Exactly...until having a child can be uniformly a 50/50 committment/problem whatever...
It's strictly the woman's right to decide

it really sucks

 

Tell me about it..........

 

Agreed.

 

hahahahahaha

I, like everyone else, am calling you out on the black people comment.

 

Yea, where's it being done in an alley? That number is kinda low.

 

Um, you want to see my receipt? A first trimester abortion varies from hm maybe $250-400.

 

PS - The above price includes everything: antibiotics, shots, and counseling.

The price does go up as you get later into pregnancy...

 

they're free up here in

 

i dont like the idea of it but i dont want it to be made illegeal so people cant do it then you have even more abandoned children if someone already said that im sorry not reading 8 pages of this

 

It's not a decision any one should make except the woman and man involved in the pregnancy.