View Poll Results: Would you abort a pregnancy?
Pro-choice
118
60.51%
Pro-life
33
16.92%
Depends
44
22.56%
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Abortion?
10-17-2006, 03:02 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by soopa
Pro-choice, but actually I should have voted depends... and these days I'm leaning closer to Pro-life... but I think that just goes to show me how much your own situation can skew your perspective. I don't think it's my right or anyone elses to decide for another.
I voted Pro-life based on what I would do.
10-17-2006, 03:03 PM
#82
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by Astroboy
you idiot, it's not a fucking baby until well after the 1st trimester is long done, what the fuck do you keep going on about??
you think a mother should just give up 9 months of her life to bring an unwanted bastard child into the world? the result of a defective condom, or any other such insnate...This is a better option than just aborting it within a couple months of finding out???
you think a mother should just give up 9 months of her life to bring an unwanted bastard child into the world? the result of a defective condom, or any other such insnate...This is a better option than just aborting it within a couple months of finding out???
10-17-2006, 03:03 PM
#83
It's just a fetus until their is nuerological activity...
As I will say again, you can't say abortion is okay sometimes. If you have a moral probem with it, it is never ok, if you don't have a moral problem with it, regardless of how reckless it is, there is nothing wrong "about" it...
Mike
As I will say again, you can't say abortion is okay sometimes. If you have a moral probem with it, it is never ok, if you don't have a moral problem with it, regardless of how reckless it is, there is nothing wrong "about" it...
Mike
10-17-2006, 03:03 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
gibson, i just can't believe u think teh victims of a broken condom should continue the cycle and vicitimize a child by bringing it into the world when they are not ready, or capable of providing, or caring for it. How does this even begin to make sense to you???
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
10-17-2006, 03:04 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
No, that doesn't.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
10-17-2006, 03:05 PM
#87
Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
We can't die until we're already living...
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10-17-2006, 03:06 PM
#88
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
you idiot, it's not a fucking baby until well after the 1st trimester is long done, what the fuck do you keep going on about??
you think a mother should just give up 9 months of her life to bring an unwanted bastard child into the world? the result of a defective condom, or any other such insnate...This is a better option than just aborting it within a couple months of finding out???
you think a mother should just give up 9 months of her life to bring an unwanted bastard child into the world? the result of a defective condom, or any other such insnate...This is a better option than just aborting it within a couple months of finding out???
I think if a child is really unwanted and the mother refuses to care for the child during pregnancy so she can give him or her up for adoption, then abortion is better option.
I would hate to read in the news that this same upstanding mother drowned, burned, bounced off the floor, smothered, sold, or used the child as a weapon.
10-17-2006, 03:07 PM
#89
My Garage
Originally Posted by Ryee
That didn't take long.....I was curious to see how long it would take to get personal.
It's just a belief, i'm not outside picketing for what I feel is right.
And as other know, I do like to argue.
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
#90
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
No, that doesn't.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
I just don't understand your reasoning at all. If it was something like abort one week, or deliver the next, i could possibly understand, but to expect people to deal with 9months of work for something they have no interest in, just baffles me.
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
#91
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What gets to me even more is those pro-lifers who think abortions should be banned.
Like it or not, you will NEVER stop people from aborting pregancies. Better to be done by professionals with the proper equipment and medication than have women self-aborting...
Like it or not, you will NEVER stop people from aborting pregancies. Better to be done by professionals with the proper equipment and medication than have women self-aborting...
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
#92
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
Wow....I've been around here for over 2 years and I think this is as pissed off a post I have ever seen from you.
I think if a child is really unwanted and the mother refuses to care for the child during pregnancy so she can give him or her up for adoption, then abortion is better option.
I would hate to read in the news that this same upstanding mother drowned, burned, bounced off the floor, smothered, sold, or used the child as a weapon.
I think if a child is really unwanted and the mother refuses to care for the child during pregnancy so she can give him or her up for adoption, then abortion is better option.
I would hate to read in the news that this same upstanding mother drowned, burned, bounced off the floor, smothered, sold, or used the child as a weapon.
but how surprised where you when you read/heard that in the news?
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
No, that doesn't.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
That's why adoption exists. Now, I do not know the in's and out's of adoption, or how often they work out in favor of the child, but like it was said early in the thread, I'd rather grow up in a broken home than be dead.
10-17-2006, 03:09 PM
#94
My Garage
Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
We can't die until we're already living...
10-17-2006, 03:10 PM
#95
10-17-2006, 03:11 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
what sense is there in forcing a woman who does not want to be pregnat to carry a baby to term? do you think she'll live a healthy lifestyle as responsible expectant mothers need to? do you think it won't have any effect whatsoever on the unborn child as it grows and develops in a toxic and negative environment to a mother who never wanted it in the first place?
I just don't understand your reasoning at all. If it was something like abort one week, or deliver the next, i could possibly understand, but to expect people to deal with 9months of work for something they have no interest in, just baffles me.
I just don't understand your reasoning at all. If it was something like abort one week, or deliver the next, i could possibly understand, but to expect people to deal with 9months of work for something they have no interest in, just baffles me.
Gibson, do you really think some girl who got knocked up after some one night stand out drinking and getting all sorts of fucked up is ready to buckle down and be responsible while pregnant? I wonder how often crack babies get adopted...hmm
10-17-2006, 03:11 PM
#97
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
What gets to me even more is those pro-lifers who think abortions should be banned.
Like it or not, you will NEVER stop people from aborting pregancies. Better to be done by professionals with the proper equipment and medication than have women self-aborting...
Like it or not, you will NEVER stop people from aborting pregancies. Better to be done by professionals with the proper equipment and medication than have women self-aborting...
10-17-2006, 03:13 PM
#98
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
I agree again...I think we're pretty much on the same page.
Gibson, do you really think some girl who got knocked up after some one night stand out drinking and getting all sorts of fucked up is ready to buckle down and be responsible while pregnant? I wonder how often crack babies get adopted...hmm
Gibson, do you really think some girl who got knocked up after some one night stand out drinking and getting all sorts of fucked up is ready to buckle down and be responsible while pregnant? I wonder how often crack babies get adopted...hmm
Most of us will gain responsibility from realizing we are about to be parents. Some people do not want that responsibility, and some should never have it.
10-17-2006, 03:14 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
shop vacs and coat hangers will always be cheaper!
10-17-2006, 03:15 PM
#100
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Voted pro-choice. Thankfully, I have never had to deal with this issue personally.
I agree with those who say it shouldn't be used as an alternative to standard birth control. If your upbringing forbids you from using birth control, then it probably forbids you from having sex. So, if you're going to break one of the rules, play it safe and break both rules.
As for when life begins, two cells do not make a life. What is the cutoff? I can't say for sure, but if the embryo cannot live outside of the womb, then it is not a baby. A premature baby, while not full term, can live with adequate care. First trimester should not be an issue. Second trimester is a little more difficult, still seems less than a baby. Third trimester abortions should really only be done if there is substantial risk to the woman's life.
Of course, there are so many other issues that tie into this:
1. Is it wrong to terminate a pregnancy because you find out the child would be abnormal?
2. If you say life begins at conception, do you charge a woman with murder if she miscarries?
3. If you say life begins at conception, can a pregnant woman legally drive in the carpool lane? Or if she gets hit by another driver and dies, does he get charged with two counts of vehicular manslaughter?
:canofworms:
I agree with those who say it shouldn't be used as an alternative to standard birth control. If your upbringing forbids you from using birth control, then it probably forbids you from having sex. So, if you're going to break one of the rules, play it safe and break both rules.
As for when life begins, two cells do not make a life. What is the cutoff? I can't say for sure, but if the embryo cannot live outside of the womb, then it is not a baby. A premature baby, while not full term, can live with adequate care. First trimester should not be an issue. Second trimester is a little more difficult, still seems less than a baby. Third trimester abortions should really only be done if there is substantial risk to the woman's life.
Of course, there are so many other issues that tie into this:
1. Is it wrong to terminate a pregnancy because you find out the child would be abnormal?
2. If you say life begins at conception, do you charge a woman with murder if she miscarries?
3. If you say life begins at conception, can a pregnant woman legally drive in the carpool lane? Or if she gets hit by another driver and dies, does he get charged with two counts of vehicular manslaughter?
:canofworms:
10-17-2006, 03:18 PM
#103
RIP Dime...
The real question is how many of the burned out crackheads have abortions? A common theme is for those in a lower income class to have an abortion because they don't want to bring up their kids in a rough existance. Unfortunately, these people are not the ones who are having the most abortions. They can't afford them! Instead we should be educating people on the consequences of their actions.
10-17-2006, 03:19 PM
#104
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If a condom breaks, then take the morning after pill. I just don't see the sense in having an abortion when there are so many birth control options out there. Why punish something you've created because of your mistake?
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
10-17-2006, 03:20 PM
#105
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OK....another scenario for you all.....
Mother is pregnant and have fatal complications. Her only chance of survival is an abortion to under go treatment. The child have no chance of survival. What is a pro-lifer to do?
I ask because when my wife was pregnant we saw it in a movie and it started a long discussion with us.
Mother is pregnant and have fatal complications. Her only chance of survival is an abortion to under go treatment. The child have no chance of survival. What is a pro-lifer to do?
I ask because when my wife was pregnant we saw it in a movie and it started a long discussion with us.
10-17-2006, 03:20 PM
#106
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by 98CLChick
If a condom breaks, then take the morning after pill. I just don't see the sense in having an abortion when there are so many birth control options out there. Why punish something you've created because of your mistake?
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
10-17-2006, 03:21 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by 98CLChick
If a condom breaks, then take the morning after pill. I just don't see the sense in having an abortion when there are so many birth control options out there. Why punish something you've created because of your mistake?
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
I do understand the need for an abortion due to rape, health issues, etc....I don't think it should be used as a substitute to birth control
10-17-2006, 03:21 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by CUNextTuesday
I agree again...I think we're pretty much on the same page.
Gibson, do you really think some girl who got knocked up after some one night stand out drinking and getting all sorts of fucked up is ready to buckle down and be responsible while pregnant? I wonder how often crack babies get adopted...hmm
Gibson, do you really think some girl who got knocked up after some one night stand out drinking and getting all sorts of fucked up is ready to buckle down and be responsible while pregnant? I wonder how often crack babies get adopted...hmm
10-17-2006, 03:22 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by Ryee
Instead we should be educating people on the consequences of their actions.
10-17-2006, 03:24 PM
#110
I think we have a decent sex ed program around here. Its not that stupid ass abstinance only thing, and most self respecting people I know of, and even dis self respecting people don't bare back it.
Edit: Sex>Math
Mike
Edit: Sex>Math
Mike
10-17-2006, 03:25 PM
#111
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
I have students that can't grasp math....you want to try to teach them they need to use something other than the pull out method?
I guarantee that if you bring a couple of former teenage parents into your class to talk about the difficulties of raising a child as a teen, it would grab their attention.
10-17-2006, 03:27 PM
#112
Nom Nom Nom Nom
Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
Adoption trumps Abortion in my mind.Myself would rather see adoption than abortion, but sometimes adoption just isnt a choice because the mother gets too attatched to the child, cant say that I blaime them.
Even if there is birth control present, that does not mean that its guranteed to work. But then the arguement comes into play "If your not ready to suffer the consiquences, then you should just not have sex".
I guess, being someone that has been in this situation of a "mistake", my views are different. Every situation is different.
I am pro-choice.
10-17-2006, 03:28 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by Ryee
haha, I understand what you're saying. However, most of your students probably view math as something they're never going to use in their life.
I guarantee that if you bring a couple of former teenage parents into your class to talk about the difficulties of raising a child as a teen, it would grab their attention.
I guarantee that if you bring a couple of former teenage parents into your class to talk about the difficulties of raising a child as a teen, it would grab their attention.
10-17-2006, 03:30 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
Your right, but put your self in the womans shoes. Its hard to carry something that you grow very attatched to for 9 months, just to give it up. I understand some people can do that, but others cant. So to some, thats not an option.
Myself would rather see adoption than abortion, but sometimes adoption just isnt a choice because the mother gets too attatched to the child, cant say that I blaime them.
Even if there is birth control present, that does not mean that its guranteed to work. But then the arguement comes into play "If your not ready to suffer the consiquences, then you should just not have sex".
I guess, being someone that has been in this situation of a "mistake", my views are different. Every situation is different.
I am pro-choice.
Myself would rather see adoption than abortion, but sometimes adoption just isnt a choice because the mother gets too attatched to the child, cant say that I blaime them.
Even if there is birth control present, that does not mean that its guranteed to work. But then the arguement comes into play "If your not ready to suffer the consiquences, then you should just not have sex".
I guess, being someone that has been in this situation of a "mistake", my views are different. Every situation is different.
I am pro-choice.
I think I should have written that ideally...Adoption trumps Abortion.
10-17-2006, 03:31 PM
#115
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
You may not know it, but I teach college....A lot of them happen to be or know a lot of teenage mothers.
What would you suggest as a solution then? Obviously there's more than a few of your students who chose not to have abortions and struggle with math.
10-17-2006, 03:31 PM
#116
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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
Your right, but put your self in the womans shoes. Its hard to carry something that you grow very attatched to for 9 months, just to give it up. I understand some people can do that, but others cant. So to some, thats not an option.
Myself would rather see adoption than abortion, but sometimes adoption just isnt a choice because the mother gets too attatched to the child, cant say that I blaime them.
Even if there is birth control present, that does not mean that its guranteed to work. But then the arguement comes into play "If your not ready to suffer the consiquences, then you should just not have sex".
I guess, being someone that has been in this situation of a "mistake", my views are different. Every situation is different.
I am pro-choice.
Myself would rather see adoption than abortion, but sometimes adoption just isnt a choice because the mother gets too attatched to the child, cant say that I blaime them.
Even if there is birth control present, that does not mean that its guranteed to work. But then the arguement comes into play "If your not ready to suffer the consiquences, then you should just not have sex".
I guess, being someone that has been in this situation of a "mistake", my views are different. Every situation is different.
I am pro-choice.
10-17-2006, 03:40 PM
#118
RIP Dime...
Originally Posted by crazymjb
Ok.... I am starting to get annoyed. If you view the early term fetus as a baby(even though you are incorrect), there should be NO exceptions. Same goes the other way.
Mike
Mike
10-17-2006, 03:41 PM
#119
Honda+Blue=My garage
Pro choice is exactly that. Not Pro-abortion, but Pro a person's right to choose.
Pro Life is support of removing the choice, an anathema in the USA where choice (within reason) is supposed to be a part of life.
Pro Life is support of removing the choice, an anathema in the USA where choice (within reason) is supposed to be a part of life.
10-17-2006, 03:41 PM
#120
Nom Nom Nom Nom
Originally Posted by crazymjb
Ok.... I am starting to get annoyed. If you view the early term fetus as a baby(even though you are incorrect), there should be NO exceptions. Same goes the other way.
Mike
Mike