Next generation starts with p3
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
the article isnt based on facts...its based on assumptions and estimations by an analysist. I want definitive F A C T S.
I cant say that xbox 360 will be better than ps3...it hasnt come out yet and there are no facts to show otherwise. With the same token how can you rightfully say ps3 will be better than xbox 360?
I cant say that xbox 360 will be better than ps3...it hasnt come out yet and there are no facts to show otherwise. With the same token how can you rightfully say ps3 will be better than xbox 360?
percentage of the market share isn't a fact? If the assumptions are so skewed then where are other analysts saying differently????
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I think instead of arguing over something this silly, if you can afford it, just get both systems when they come out. I'm lucky to have a brother who likes console games as much as I do so we bought all 3 systems, Xbox, Ps2, and Gamecube. I'm really split between Xbox and PS2 because they both have games I like to play. The only system I'm not really impressed with is Gamecube since they have great 1st party games but barely any 3rd party support.
Today is the day we get to see the Xbox 360!!!!
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Originally Posted by Zapata
percentage of the market share isn't a fact? If the assumptions are so skewed then where are other analysts saying differently????
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...box-usat_x.htm
Jupiter Research gaming-industry analyst Jay Horwitz, for one, believes Microsoft's first-mover strategy is well conceived. In a Jupiter study released exclusively to USA TODAY, Horwitz forecasts that by 2010, Xboxes will make up 38% of the consoles found in U.S. homes, topping PlayStation's 32% share.
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Sony Considers 2005 PS3 Release
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/612/612987p1.html
Sony Considers 2005 PS3 Release
Sony Considers 2005 PS3 Release
A company rep hints at the possibility of a release this year.
by Anoop Gantayat
May 12, 2005 - In a surprising twist on the next generation hardware race, a Sony representative has stated that a year 2005 release for the next generation PlayStation is a possibility. Responding to questions from Jiji news service, Sony Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara states, "For the year end sales season, simultaneously building up both the PlayStation Portable system in America and Europe as well as the next generation PlayStation is one option that we have."
Most industry speculation calls for a next generation PlayStation release in 2006. Sony's third party developers have backed this assumption up with a strong list of PlayStation 2 titles planned for the rest of the year and early next.
The state of the next generation PlayStation software shown at next week's E3 show should reveal if a 2005 release is a possibility for the new system, or if Yuhara's comments were designed to take some steam out of Microsoft's Xbox 360 unveiling later today.
by Anoop Gantayat
May 12, 2005 - In a surprising twist on the next generation hardware race, a Sony representative has stated that a year 2005 release for the next generation PlayStation is a possibility. Responding to questions from Jiji news service, Sony Chief Financial Officer Takao Yuhara states, "For the year end sales season, simultaneously building up both the PlayStation Portable system in America and Europe as well as the next generation PlayStation is one option that we have."
Most industry speculation calls for a next generation PlayStation release in 2006. Sony's third party developers have backed this assumption up with a strong list of PlayStation 2 titles planned for the rest of the year and early next.
The state of the next generation PlayStation software shown at next week's E3 show should reveal if a 2005 release is a possibility for the new system, or if Yuhara's comments were designed to take some steam out of Microsoft's Xbox 360 unveiling later today.
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PS3 to include DVR
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,67477,00.html
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,67477,00.html
02:00 AM May. 11, 2005 PT
It's just one week until the Electronic Entertainment Expo, when the video-game industry descends on Los Angeles for the world's most spectacular trade show -- one that promises to pack a one-two-three punch to the industry.
Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are all expected to divulge reams of details on the next generation of video-game consoles, all three of which are expected to hit the market over the next year and a half.
Of the three companies, Microsoft should have the most detailed showing. That's because Gates and Co. are expected to release the Xbox 360 this November. Bucking industry convention, the new console will debut not at E3 but on an MTV special that will air Thursday.
The program, called MTV Presents: The Next Generation Xbox Revealed, has already been taped. (Predictably, audience members snuck out of the taping with pictures of the console and accessories.)
Most major software publishers are expected to unveil Xbox 360 titles at E3, many of which will be playable on the show floor. And industry experts suggest that the Xbox 360 will pack many functions that will take the machine beyond simple gameplay.
"Microsoft and Sony are eager to expand how many people play -- and buy -- games, and both companies see versatility and a more consumer-electronics-style design as an essential piece of the puzzle," said Peer Schneider, senior publisher at IGN Entertainment.
"Considering the fact that these consoles use DVD media, are online and sit right next to a player's TV, additional uses like video chat and movie playback are no-brainers. Add a hard drive, and you've got a pretty slick alternative to many by-comparison-underdeveloped personal video recorder units."
But "just because a device can do something doesn't mean that it's going to be used for that," cautioned John Davison, vice president of Ziff Davis Media Game Group. "At the end of the day, people use games machines to play games on.
"As for Sony, I think the PSX left a foul taste in their mouth," said Davison, referring to the ill-fated hybrid PlayStation 2 and television-to-DVD recorder that Sony launched two years ago in Japan to tepid critical and consumer response.
And yet, Sony seems to be heading even further down the convergence path. French-language business site Boursier.com quoted Georges Fournay, senior vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, as saying that the PS3 will be an "entertainment server in the home" intended to "replace the VCR and DVD player under the television in the living room."
The console, Fournay reportedly told the site, will bring convergence between "games, movies, music, broadband internet and downloading."
And what of Nintendo? With its next hardware system, code-named "Revolution," Nintendo also "wants to expand beyond just a market of hard-core game players," said Schneider, "but it believes the way to do it is via unconventional software and input mechanisms."
How unconventional the Revolution will be is still a secret, but Nintendo President Satoru Iwata revealed at this year's Game Developers Conference that the system would be backward-compatible with existing GameCube software, meaning that the console must also support the traditional joystick-and-buttons input method.
The Revolution's processing power should be comparable to the Xbox 360's, as both companies are partnering with IBM and ATI Technologies to develop their systems' main CPUs and graphics chips, respectively.
The PlayStation 3, meanwhile, will be built around the Cell processor, which Sony is developing in collaboration with IBM and Toshiba. It is a multi-core processor said to deliver 10 times the processing power of the chips in today's PCs. The console will also play Blu-ray discs, which store about six times the data of a DVD.
But all this power might not be used very wisely, cautions game developer and frequent GDC speaker Chris Hecker. "I worry that the game industry is constantly grabbing at the lowest-hanging fruit, and that turns out to almost always be 'make the graphics look better,'" he said.
Multiple-core processors like Cell are excellent for graphics code, which is "fairly simplistic in its flow," Hecker said. "It's relatively easy to make that code run on multiple processors. Gameplay code, on the other hand, is usually a mess of interacting systems. That feedback and interdependency" does not lend itself well to parallel processing, he said.
In short, "we'll see even more derivative, simplistic crap," said Hecker. "We certainly make plenty of money right now as an industry, but we don't have anywhere near the level of creative control or understanding of the tools of our form to thrive and experiment, as opposed to just doing sequels and licensed properties from those other art forms."
But is it possible to free the industry from the licensed-content model? "Gamers expect more realistic visuals," said Schneider, but also "more star power in games and more licensed everything." New gamers, especially, will have to be "lured in by a movielike experience, big name licenses and recognizable talent from both the music scene and Hollywood.
"Given the need to reach a broader audience that extends beyond the traditional hard core, it might become very hard to convince a publisher to take a risk with new, creative gameplay concepts or (to) back a completely unknown (intellectual property)."
At any rate, publishers know that at E3, they have to wow gamers -- and that's not done with PowerPoint presentations or tech demos.
"No floaty feathers or dinosaur heads," said Ziff Davis' Davison. "They want to see Gran Turismo or Final Fantasy or Tekken cooking on all its Cell-fueled cylinders."
Next week, they will.
02:00 AM May. 11, 2005 PT
It's just one week until the Electronic Entertainment Expo, when the video-game industry descends on Los Angeles for the world's most spectacular trade show -- one that promises to pack a one-two-three punch to the industry.
Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are all expected to divulge reams of details on the next generation of video-game consoles, all three of which are expected to hit the market over the next year and a half.
Of the three companies, Microsoft should have the most detailed showing. That's because Gates and Co. are expected to release the Xbox 360 this November. Bucking industry convention, the new console will debut not at E3 but on an MTV special that will air Thursday.
The program, called MTV Presents: The Next Generation Xbox Revealed, has already been taped. (Predictably, audience members snuck out of the taping with pictures of the console and accessories.)
Most major software publishers are expected to unveil Xbox 360 titles at E3, many of which will be playable on the show floor. And industry experts suggest that the Xbox 360 will pack many functions that will take the machine beyond simple gameplay.
"Microsoft and Sony are eager to expand how many people play -- and buy -- games, and both companies see versatility and a more consumer-electronics-style design as an essential piece of the puzzle," said Peer Schneider, senior publisher at IGN Entertainment.
"Considering the fact that these consoles use DVD media, are online and sit right next to a player's TV, additional uses like video chat and movie playback are no-brainers. Add a hard drive, and you've got a pretty slick alternative to many by-comparison-underdeveloped personal video recorder units."
But "just because a device can do something doesn't mean that it's going to be used for that," cautioned John Davison, vice president of Ziff Davis Media Game Group. "At the end of the day, people use games machines to play games on.
"As for Sony, I think the PSX left a foul taste in their mouth," said Davison, referring to the ill-fated hybrid PlayStation 2 and television-to-DVD recorder that Sony launched two years ago in Japan to tepid critical and consumer response.
And yet, Sony seems to be heading even further down the convergence path. French-language business site Boursier.com quoted Georges Fournay, senior vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, as saying that the PS3 will be an "entertainment server in the home" intended to "replace the VCR and DVD player under the television in the living room."
The console, Fournay reportedly told the site, will bring convergence between "games, movies, music, broadband internet and downloading."
And what of Nintendo? With its next hardware system, code-named "Revolution," Nintendo also "wants to expand beyond just a market of hard-core game players," said Schneider, "but it believes the way to do it is via unconventional software and input mechanisms."
How unconventional the Revolution will be is still a secret, but Nintendo President Satoru Iwata revealed at this year's Game Developers Conference that the system would be backward-compatible with existing GameCube software, meaning that the console must also support the traditional joystick-and-buttons input method.
The Revolution's processing power should be comparable to the Xbox 360's, as both companies are partnering with IBM and ATI Technologies to develop their systems' main CPUs and graphics chips, respectively.
The PlayStation 3, meanwhile, will be built around the Cell processor, which Sony is developing in collaboration with IBM and Toshiba. It is a multi-core processor said to deliver 10 times the processing power of the chips in today's PCs. The console will also play Blu-ray discs, which store about six times the data of a DVD.
But all this power might not be used very wisely, cautions game developer and frequent GDC speaker Chris Hecker. "I worry that the game industry is constantly grabbing at the lowest-hanging fruit, and that turns out to almost always be 'make the graphics look better,'" he said.
Multiple-core processors like Cell are excellent for graphics code, which is "fairly simplistic in its flow," Hecker said. "It's relatively easy to make that code run on multiple processors. Gameplay code, on the other hand, is usually a mess of interacting systems. That feedback and interdependency" does not lend itself well to parallel processing, he said.
In short, "we'll see even more derivative, simplistic crap," said Hecker. "We certainly make plenty of money right now as an industry, but we don't have anywhere near the level of creative control or understanding of the tools of our form to thrive and experiment, as opposed to just doing sequels and licensed properties from those other art forms."
But is it possible to free the industry from the licensed-content model? "Gamers expect more realistic visuals," said Schneider, but also "more star power in games and more licensed everything." New gamers, especially, will have to be "lured in by a movielike experience, big name licenses and recognizable talent from both the music scene and Hollywood.
"Given the need to reach a broader audience that extends beyond the traditional hard core, it might become very hard to convince a publisher to take a risk with new, creative gameplay concepts or (to) back a completely unknown (intellectual property)."
At any rate, publishers know that at E3, they have to wow gamers -- and that's not done with PowerPoint presentations or tech demos.
"No floaty feathers or dinosaur heads," said Ziff Davis' Davison. "They want to see Gran Turismo or Final Fantasy or Tekken cooking on all its Cell-fueled cylinders."
Next week, they will.
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Originally Posted by srika
hey man, I'm just saying.
...ahhh but think of the "great" marketing: THE REVOLUTION IN GAMING IS HERE!!!(not like we never heard that before)
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
...ahhh but think of the "great" marketing: THE REVOLUTION IN GAMING IS HERE!!!(not like we never heard that before)
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no clue what nintendo is thinking.....uhm we are gonna concentrate on gaming 
duuuh, but people wanna do more chit. More attractive for family to purchase if it can function as DVD player as well. idiots.....
duuuh, but people wanna do more chit. More attractive for family to purchase if it can function as DVD player as well. idiots.....
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...wonder about all this DVR proposed features.....subscriber fees?.......better have more than a 20 gig HD.......what happens when most people if not already go to HDTV....they will need a huge hard drive...what about mpeg4 recording ability?
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perhaps DVR will be a gimmick...sorta like the PS2 and Xbox ability to play DVD's....they can play them, but not well...compared to stand alone DVD players...especially when it comes to progressive scan. I don't think DVR is what's gonna sell the next gen machines....the games will...DVR will just be sorta an added plus.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
perhaps DVR will be a gimmick...sorta like the PS2 and Xbox ability to play DVD's....they can play them, but not well...compared to stand alone DVD players...especially when it comes to progressive scan. I don't think DVR is what's gonna sell the next gen machines....the games will...DVR will just be sorta an added plus.
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Originally Posted by Marc S
i bought xbox first... what a mistake, i left that bitch down at the shore house and bought a PS2.... wont ever go back. cant wait for PS3
Usually it is the other way around.
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i never got the xbox hype....
i tried playing lots of the xbox games and they just never clicked with me....
i now own a ps2 and a gamecube...
looking forward to playing xbox 360 at somebody else's place and firing up a ps3 at home...
i tried playing lots of the xbox games and they just never clicked with me....
i now own a ps2 and a gamecube...
looking forward to playing xbox 360 at somebody else's place and firing up a ps3 at home...
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
i never got the xbox hype....
i tried playing lots of the xbox games and they just never clicked with me....
i now own a ps2 and a gamecube...
looking forward to playing xbox 360 at somebody else's place and firing up a ps3 at home...
i tried playing lots of the xbox games and they just never clicked with me....
i now own a ps2 and a gamecube...
looking forward to playing xbox 360 at somebody else's place and firing up a ps3 at home...
it's the games....that's what came down to it for me. Original releases were ass. Newer games are competitive but still prefer ps2.
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Ps3 Will Be At E3
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=118573
E3 2005: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: SONY STRIKE BACK! PS3 WILL BE AT E3!
Insider info shows Sony set to spoil Microsoft's party
12:37 Oh how we love this industry sometimes. Just as it seemed Microsoft was set to sweep all before it and make E3 2005 the Xbox 360 show, Sony will strike back next week at the industry's annual jamboree by unveiling the first actual PS3 unit to an eagerly waiting world.
Speaking on conditions of strict anonymity, a trusted insider source has revealed to C&VG that Sony will unveil an actual prototype PS3 unit on their next-generation booth and that rather than just a mock up, it will be a near final design of the next generation of PlayStation.
It's been such a closely guarded secret that the appearance of PS3 has been deliberately kept off any show program sheet and will apparently be kept under strict guard by members of the LAPD.
Insider info shows Sony set to spoil Microsoft's party
12:37 Oh how we love this industry sometimes. Just as it seemed Microsoft was set to sweep all before it and make E3 2005 the Xbox 360 show, Sony will strike back next week at the industry's annual jamboree by unveiling the first actual PS3 unit to an eagerly waiting world.
Speaking on conditions of strict anonymity, a trusted insider source has revealed to C&VG that Sony will unveil an actual prototype PS3 unit on their next-generation booth and that rather than just a mock up, it will be a near final design of the next generation of PlayStation.
It's been such a closely guarded secret that the appearance of PS3 has been deliberately kept off any show program sheet and will apparently be kept under strict guard by members of the LAPD.
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Sony and Apple working together
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/5771/
RUMOR: Sony and Apple working together on PlayStation 3
Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:22 PM EST
The moderator of PS3 Forums, "The Unofficial PS3 H.Q." has posted the following:
Apple + Sony = PS3
I am now hearing stronger rumors that Sony is indeed working with Apple on the PS3. Most of this work is based around support for iTunes and iPop on the PS3.
iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
iTunes linkup - Access iTunes and your music through the PS3. Purchase and download additiona tracks through the PS3. Wirelessly play iTunes music from your PC/Mac through the PS3
Sync support - Use the PS3 to sync your iPod with iTunes, no need for a PC or Mac to sync and add/remove tracks and organize playlists.
Apple may also be helping Sony with some UI design for the PS3 dashboard interface. No links, and for that I appologize, but I figured people would like to hear this information anyways. If the rumors hold true, this would be mutually benefitical for Sony and Apple in a lot of ways.
Full post and forum discussion here.
And, over at Engadget, Joshua Fruhlinger is reporting that, "Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich thinks Apple and Sony could be working on some big things." Full article here.
Steve Jobs at MacWorld Expo 2005, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, "You know, we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows, maybe someday, computers and music, too."
Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:22 PM EST
The moderator of PS3 Forums, "The Unofficial PS3 H.Q." has posted the following:
Apple + Sony = PS3
I am now hearing stronger rumors that Sony is indeed working with Apple on the PS3. Most of this work is based around support for iTunes and iPop on the PS3.
iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
iTunes linkup - Access iTunes and your music through the PS3. Purchase and download additiona tracks through the PS3. Wirelessly play iTunes music from your PC/Mac through the PS3
Sync support - Use the PS3 to sync your iPod with iTunes, no need for a PC or Mac to sync and add/remove tracks and organize playlists.
Apple may also be helping Sony with some UI design for the PS3 dashboard interface. No links, and for that I appologize, but I figured people would like to hear this information anyways. If the rumors hold true, this would be mutually benefitical for Sony and Apple in a lot of ways.
Full post and forum discussion here.
And, over at Engadget, Joshua Fruhlinger is reporting that, "Merrill Lynch analyst Steven Milunovich thinks Apple and Sony could be working on some big things." Full article here.
Steve Jobs at MacWorld Expo 2005, Tuesday, January 11, 2005, "You know, we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows, maybe someday, computers and music, too."
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Originally Posted by zeroday
im buying both. they aren't all that expensive. why choose one or the other. I have an xbox and a ps2 and love them both for diff reasons.
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iPod connectivity - Ability to connect the iPod to the PS3 and play it's music through the PS3 to your stereo or other audio playback devices. Will also provide some graphical effects on your TV during playback
Why connect my Ipod to my Ps3 and then the Ps3 to the stereo?!?! Why not just leave play the tunes from the Ps3 HD???...maybe there is no HD.
...btw DVR and Ipod...etc is not what people are going to buy these platforms for ....it's the GAMES!!!!!!
Remember when all the people were buying the Ps2 and Xbox because they could play DVD's on them....oh wait, that never happened...they bought them to play GAMES on them.
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well then prepared to be ignored and disappointed because the entire motivation behind both companies is convergence of technology within the home. Gaming systems are keys to the city as far as any company that deal with entertainment. Brilliant move by Sony and Apple if it's true. Alliance to battle microsoft.
Why connect my Ipod to my Ps3 and then the Ps3 to the stereo?!?! Why not just leave play the tunes from the Ps3 HD???...maybe there is no HD.
...btw DVR and Ipod...etc is not what people are going to buy these platforms for ....it's the GAMES!!!!!!
Remember when all the people were buying the Ps2 and Xbox because they could play DVD's on them....oh wait, that never happened...they bought them to play GAMES on them.
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Why connect my Ipod to my Ps3 and then the Ps3 to the stereo?!?! Why not just leave play the tunes from the Ps3 HD???...maybe there is no HD.
...btw DVR and Ipod...etc is not what people are going to buy these platforms for ....it's the GAMES!!!!!!
Remember when all the people were buying the Ps2 and Xbox because they could play DVD's on them....oh wait, that never happened...they bought them to play GAMES on them.
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that's fun and dandy but, I doubt I will be using PS3 to play music...... PS2 has a very capable audio CD and DVD player and I think I've used it for those purposes about... 5 times in the past 4 years.
I was surprised to hear Apple is now in the picture..... I wonder if that will go through to completion. Guess it makes sense though, I mean they would never partner with Xbox, that's for sure.
And, the iPod userbase is probably like over 5 million by now, so that iPod link thingy on PS3 is bound to appeal to at least SOME of those people...... overall I do think it makes the PS3 more desirable - just not to me. Of course, I will buy one regardless, lol.
I was surprised to hear Apple is now in the picture..... I wonder if that will go through to completion. Guess it makes sense though, I mean they would never partner with Xbox, that's for sure.
And, the iPod userbase is probably like over 5 million by now, so that iPod link thingy on PS3 is bound to appeal to at least SOME of those people...... overall I do think it makes the PS3 more desirable - just not to me. Of course, I will buy one regardless, lol.
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I'm not sure about Apple + Sony. Remember that the PSP playing mp3s was aimed directly at the ipod. Especially when the PSPs start coming with a hard drive. I will believe this cooperation when I see it, not rumors from another message board.
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Originally Posted by farberstyle
I'm not sure about Apple + Sony. Remember that the PSP playing mp3s was aimed directly at the ipod. Especially when the PSPs start coming with a hard drive. I will believe this cooperation when I see it, not rumors from another message board.