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Old May 10, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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Next generation starts with p3

xbox fanboys here is alittle something for ya


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Wedbush Morgan Securities' interactive entertainment industry analyst Michael Pachter recently mentioned that he believes the current generation won't really end until Sony launches the PS3. We discuss this with him as well as the impact the expected Xbox 360 launch will have this year.

In his Interactive Entertainment Industry Earnings Preview for the current calendar year, Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter made some interesting comments regarding the current console life cycle and how the upcoming next-gen consoles will affect the market.

Sales growth to start with PS3
According to Pachter, the introduction of the Xbox 360 by Microsoft will not have as great an impact as one might think. He believes that the launch of the next-gen PlayStation sometime in 2006 will be the true end of the current console cycle. "With an expected late 2005 launch date for the Xbox 360, we have seen selling pressure for the publishers, as many investors perceive the first next generation console launch as the 'end' of the current console cycle. In our view, the current cycle will continue long past the launch of the Xbox 360, and we do not view that Microsoft's pending announcement will have significant near-term impact on the U.S. publishers," he said.

He added, "We think that many investors have misinterpreted the launch of the Xbox 360 as the beginning of the next generation, and expect rapid sales growth in 2006. In contrast, we expect the launch of Sony's PS3 (expected in late 2006) to mark the beginning of the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize until 2007."

[ "I think... in 2010, Sony's going to have 55%, Microsoft's going to have 35% and Nintendo 10%, with all three of those having +/- 5%," Michael Pachter, Wedbush Morgan on next-gen market share ]


Pachter clarified his position with GameDAILY BIZ. He said that some media outlets took his statements to mean that Xbox 360 doesn't mark the beginning of the next generation, but he admitted that he probably wasn't as artful with his report as he intended. "I guess the first one to launch is the beginning of the cycle," he told us. "It's just that most people think that the first one to launch marks the end of the current cycle and the beginning of the transition. I actually don't think the Xbox 360 launching is any different than the PSP launching. It's not going to cause PS2 owners to buy less software."

First out of the gate
Many in the industry have questioned Microsoft's timing. Is launching a next-gen console later this year too soon? Will their coming out first strategy backfire? Pachter doesn't foresee a problem, though. "If the [Xbox 360 and PS3] launch side-by-side then I think Microsoft would have 30% penetration, Sony would have 50-55% and Nintendo would have 15-20%. If Microsoft launches first, they're going to get sales for a year 'for free.' So, if they get 30% market from the day of the PS3 launch on plus whatever they sell the first year, they're going to do better than 30%," he explained to GameDAILY BIZ.

Pachter believes that purchasers of the Xbox 360 this year will largely consist of hardcore gamers that own multiple consoles and current Xbox owners that want to upgrade. "I think [Microsoft] is doing the right thing. It's just that I think the impact on current consumer behavior is limited to 30% of all consumers. Among pure PS2 owners (not those who own an Xbox and PS2), no one is sitting around saying, 'Oooh I can't wait for the Xbox 360!' ... 35% of the existing consumer base is going to slow its purchases in anticipation of the Xbox 360 launch. Next year, 50% of the consumer base will slow its purchases in anticipation of the PS3."

He continued, "So all I'm really saying is most people think this is a 0 [percent] year and next year is +20 because the transition occurs this year, but I've got this year +10 and next year +10. So we end up in the same place at the end of '06... and what does it mean for '07? That's where you get the ramp -- the PS3, and the Xbox 360, and the Nintendo Revolution and PSP all out and starting to mature."

Even with the expected head start that Microsoft will have with its Xbox 360, Pachter doesn't think the breakdown in market share will be all that different from the current generation of consoles, meaning Sony will continue to be the market leader, MS will follow closely in second place and Nintendo will take the third spot. "I think when we have this talk in 2010, Sony's going to have 55%, Microsoft's going to have 35% and Nintendo 10%, with all three of those having +/- 5%," he predicted.

Dealing with backwards compatibility
One topic that has been widely discussed when it comes to next-gen consoles is backwards compatibility. The PS3 is expected to include this feature just as the PS2 does, and Nintendo has even confirmed that its Revolution will indeed be compatible with GameCube games. That leaves Microsoft. Part of the problem is that MS switched GPU suppliers. The current Xbox utilizes an NVIDIA processor while the Xbox 360 will incorporate a GPU from ATI. It will take a significant investment from MS to include backwards compatibility, but Pachter is fairly sure it will happen, even if it means including the old NVIDIA chip alongside the ATI chip.

"NVIDIA will be very happy to sell Microsoft 5 million or 10 million graphics cards," said Pachter. He added that backwards compatibility is far too important in the mind of the consumer to leave out. "If you're told by Microsoft that your entire Xbox library is worthless, including Halo 2, you're not very happy about that. If they decide not to be backward compatible I question their judgment."

Hopefully, this will be made clear one way or another during the MTV unveiling on May 12.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Among pure PS2 owners (not those who own an Xbox and PS2), no one is sitting around saying, 'Oooh I can't wait for the Xbox 360!'
This is 100% dead-on accurate for PS2 fanboys such as myself. I won't be buying an Xbox 360 at all, in any way, shape, or form. I'm not "waiting" for it either. GREAT article, Zap... and it wasn't written by someone at PS2rocks.com ...
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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It will take a significant investment from MS to include backwards compatibility, but Pachter is fairly sure it will happen, even if it means including the old NVIDIA chip alongside the ATI chip.
Holy inefficiency, Batman...
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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This is 100% dead-on accurate for PS2 fanboys such as myself. I won't be buying an Xbox 360 at all, in any way, shape, or form. I'm not "waiting" for it either. GREAT article, Zap... and it wasn't written by someone at PS2rocks.com ...

yea, xbbox 360 may be an improvment but the entire industry is waiting for ps3....it is the benchmark.
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man you guys are quite a pair...do you pray to Sony before you leave your homes in the morning?
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man you guys are quite a pair...do you pray to Sony before you leave your homes in the morning?

GT4 is a religion bow before the avatar

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Old May 10, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
man you guys are quite a pair...do you pray to Sony before you leave your homes in the morning?
yes. In fact, I have several Sony "shrines" setup at my place. I arrange candles, votives, and various PS2 accessories in a circle and chant melodic Brazilian mantras while playing GT4.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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do we know if 360 will be able to play the current xbox games?
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Old May 10, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by evilstorm
do we know if 360 will be able to play the current xbox games?
it looks like they are going to do have that capability... it will require having 2 separate VPU's onboard.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 04:18 PM
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Then there is this article......

Microsoft angles to be lord of the game consoles
By Byron Acohido, USA TODAY
SEATTLE — Microsoft (MSFT) this week instigates Round 2 in its drive to elevate the Xbox ahead of Sony's (SNE) PlayStation 2 in the video-game console business.

Actor Elijah Wood at an L.A. event for the unveiling of Microsoft's new Xbox console.
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To muscle Xbox into contention, Microsoft has absorbed about $2 billion in losses the past four years. Now the software giant is making a bold move to jump ahead of Sony by initiating the next cycle of gaming consoles.

On Thursday night, actor Elijah Wood of Lord of the Rings fame will host a celebrity-packed MTV special at which Wood is expected to unveil the all-new Xbox. Widely expected to be called the Xbox 360, it should hit store shelves in time for Christmas.

But much more than dominance of the game-console business is at stake. Whoever sells the most consoles in this cycle could also lock up prime access to the burgeoning digital entertainment market.

Microsoft has been on a three-year mission to ingrain Windows Media Center PCs as the nerve center for digital entertainment. And it is maneuvering the new Xbox to be a linchpin in helping consumers manage music and movie files stored on a PC in the den.

Meanwhile, Sony, in partnership with IBM and Toshiba, is developing something called the Cell processor — expected to be an all-purpose "brain" for video games and consumer electronic devices, much as Intel's Pentium processor is for PCs.

"The Cell processor could be the silver bullet for Sony's convergence play," says Eric Bratcher, senior editor of PSM, an independent PlayStation 2 magazine.

The Cell won't be ready until next year. So Sony and Nintendo, maker of the No. 3 GameCube, are adhering to plans to introduce their own new consoles in North America in time for Christmas 2006.

"To rush something to market purely with the idea of getting to market first is shortsighted," says Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith.

Successful gaming systems are usually sold for at least five years to give consumers time to amass game libraries and publishers a chance to nurture hit games.

Will old games work?

Microsoft hasn't said yet whether the new Xbox will be able to play games purchased for the original unit. That could get tricky because the new Xbox will use a different processing chip and graphics card from the original.

Backward compatibility — or lack of it — could emerge as a major selling point.

"A lot of kids scrape up money for months to go buy a $60 game, so it's not fair to them if they can't play all their old games on the new console," says Jeffrey Carey, a 26-year-old home inspector from Edmonds, Wash., who owns 22 Xbox games.

Jupiter Research gaming-industry analyst Jay Horwitz, for one, believes Microsoft's first-mover strategy is well conceived. In a Jupiter study released exclusively to USA TODAY, Horwitz forecasts that by 2010, Xboxes will make up 38% of the consoles found in U.S. homes, topping PlayStation's 32% share.

Today, PlayStation 2 leads Xbox in installed base share, 43% to 19%, with GameCube at 14%.

Nintendo will stay in the hunt on the strength of its popular Game Boy and Nintendo DS portable gaming devices, Horwitz says. Its next full-fledged console, code-named Nintendo Revolution, will make it easier to do wireless links among gamers using different Nintendo products, says Perrin Kaplan, Nintendo's marketing vice president.

"Our strategy is to stay true to all the different ways gamers can experience pure gaming," she says.

Xbox on offense

Yet Sony and Nintendo are feeling the heat stoked by Xbox, which Microsoft launched partly as a defensive maneuver in fall 2001, gaming-industry analysts say.

At the time, Microsoft feared Sony might figure out a way to use its popular PlayStation as an Internet device capable of sending e-mail and working with digital media, says Matt Rosoff, analyst at research firm Directions on Microsoft.

So it sold Xboxes at a loss and poured a small fortune into establishing Xbox Live, which allows Xbox players to compete against each other over the Internet.

As Xbox and Xbox Live gained popularity, Microsoft switched to offense. In 2003, it released a wireless network card that allows an Xbox to tap into a PC's Internet connection. Another add-on gadget made it possible for the user to transfer music files and digital photographs from PC to Xbox.

The idea: supply hooks between the Xbox and the pricey Windows Media Center PCs that Microsoft has been aggressively promoting.

Speaking to a national convention of business editors and writers in Seattle earlier this month, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates revealed that the new Xbox (which he referred to by its code name, Xenon) will share a common user interface with Media Center PCs.

"If you're used to that menu, when you use this Xenon, you'll see a menu a lot like that, that lets you get photos, TV, music and all those different things," Gates said. He also confirmed Microsoft's intent to bring Xenon to market this year and said the new Xbox will include features intended to broaden its appeal beyond hard-core gamers.

Being first is no guarantee of success. Game-console history is rife with cycle-starters that flopped. Remember Sega's Dreamcast, or Panasonic's 3DO or Atari's Jaguar? It remains to be seen whether tying the Xbox more closely to Windows Media Center PCs, which are prone to glitches and security breaches, will spark synergy.

"They've lost billions on the first-generation Xbox, and at some point they've presumably got to reverse that to make this an interesting business," analyst Rosoff says.

Meanwhile, Sony is maneuvering to go much deeper with its convergence strategy — into the computer processing chip. Sony has said the Cell processor can run video games 15 times faster than Intel's Pentium 4 chip, meaning game developers should be able to dramatically boost the cinematic look and feel of games.

Communicating appliances

What's more, the chip is being designed to run everything from cell phones to home networks to high-definition TVs. It has a unique capacity to network Cells embedded in various appliances so that the devices act like a single computer.

"It could give them a lot more flexibility," Bratcher says. "Imagine your PlayStation 3, your cell phone, your portable MP3 player, your home theater and your toaster all using the same processor, all speaking the same language, all communicating with each other very easily and wirelessly."

Still, Sony has struggled at times getting its disparate media and manufacturing divisions to collaborate on a central strategy. It has been unable, for instance, to keep Apple's iPod music player and iTunes store from moving in to dominate the portable music player business once ruled by Sony's Walkman.

"If any company is exposed right now, it's Sony," says James Governor, tech-industry analyst at research firm RedMonk
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...point being the final product from each mfg., console exclusive gaming titles, & number of games will determine the "winner"........in the end.....Sony & Microsoft will still be huge in the gaming market.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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The author doesn't seem to be anything more than reporter.



ps3 adoration and fan boy appreciation only thread

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another article that looked interesting....from the Chicago Tribune..

THE NEXT GENERATION





Will the new Xbox blow rivals away?
Microsoft hopes jump on sales, leaps in technology will add to momentum

By Steven L. Kent
Special to the Tribune
Published May 10, 2005


When Microsoft Corp. launched the Xbox in 2001, it was already late to the game. For its next-generation console, Xbox 360, Microsoft will get a head start on its rivals.

But will it be enough?

Dominated for nearly a decade by Sony Corp.'s PlayStation game consoles, the U.S. video game market brings in more than $10 billion annually in sales. Sony has sold four times as many game consoles worldwide as Microsoft, but Xbox has outsold its only other major competitor, Nintendo's GameCube.

Microsoft executives, who declined to be interviewed for this story, believe they have built a lot of momentum in the gaming industry. Microsoft has sold more than 20 million consoles and said that more than 1.5 million people have signed up for its Xbox Live service for online gaming. On top of that, it had a huge hit with the game "Halo 2," which surpassed $125 million in sales the day it launched last year.

The Xbox 360 will be available for the holiday shopping season, while new machines from Sony and Nintendo will not be ready until next year. The Xbox initially launched about one year after Sony's PlayStation 2, allowing for a huge advantage in sales.

Microsoft hopes this time will be different.

The company's corporate vice president of worldwide marketing, Peter Moore, is the former president of Sega of America. He was in charge of the launch of Dreamcast, the first console of this current generation and also the first fatality.

He watched as Sony convinced consumers that PlayStation was more powerful than Dreamcast, undermining Sega's marketing efforts. Moore has vowed that will not happen to Microsoft.

The technological jump from Xbox to 360 is so great that it is hard to compare the two units. The new machine will have wireless capabilities, a large hard drive to allow the machine to double as a home entertainment hub and significantly more computing power than the Xbox.

And it will be fast, allowing for a more realistic gaming experience.

"If you wonder why men are spending less time watching television and more time playing games, it's not because of the graphics. It's because of the experience of being in the game," said David Zucker, president and chief executive of Chicago-based Midway Games. "The experience resembles what would happen in the real world if you actually did these things."

Along with breaking new technological ground, Microsoft executives hope to create new inroads into the mainstream mass market.

To help reach that mass market, Microsoft will officially launch Xbox 360 with a 30-minute special Thursday night on MTV. In the past, game systems have been unveiled at industry trade shows. Still, Microsoft executives said additional information about the new system will be detailed at next week's Electronic Entertainment Expo, or E3, the gaming industry's biggest event.

Also at E3, Sony plans to offer a glimpse of PlayStation 3, the company's first completely new console system since the 2000 launch of PlayStation 2.

Not much is known about the new consoles coming from Sony and Nintendo. Sony has announced that its next-generation console will have a cell-based processor, a technology far more powerful than that used in current game systems.

Nintendo, like Microsoft, has an IBM chip in its coming game console, called Revolution.

Electronics analyst Richard Doherty said the Xbox 360 is considerably more powerful than any existing game console, but he wonders if the bump in power is big enough. "The graphics we have seen on screen are great, though it's not as big a transition as we saw between PlayStation and PlayStation 2," said Doherty, research director of Envisioneering Group.

But the Xbox team has said the 360 will stand up to the competition and is confident in the new console's capabilities. In particular, Microsoft hopes the machine's powerful hardware will advance high-definition technology for gamers.

Doherty, however, said Microsoft's standards are not sufficiently high when it comes to HDTV. "They've chosen the lower end of HDTV," he said. "The higher quality is twice as many pixels, and we have every reason to believe that the other consoles, PlayStation 3 and Revolution, will be able to support that."

But 360 has more than enough power, according to Scott Steinberg, Sega's vice president of entertainment marketing. "The emotional content is an order of magnitude more powerful on 360 than it is on Xbox or any existing hardware platform. We can do things with atmosphere, and with tempo, and with emotional content" that could not be done with existing consoles.

Midway's Zucker agrees that 360 offers a vast improvement in graphics but argues that 360's power brings other new abilities to the equation. "In terms of the games themselves, the experience becomes more immersive when objects, people, dialog and situations happen more and more as they would in the real world," he said.

Still, many questions about 360 remain unanswered. Microsoft has not announced pricing, for instance. Nor has Microsoft said whether the new console will be compatible with existing Xbox games. That will be announced at E3, Microsoft said.

And although Microsoft has not announced when, exactly, the game will be available other than sometime this fall, there are more than 100 games already in production.

It's a start.
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umm.. Walkman's haven't "dominated" anything since like, the early 90's...
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ps3 adoration and fan boy appreciation only thread
Kool-aid drinkers need only apply!!!
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umm.. Walkman's haven't "dominated" anything since like, the early 90's...
thus Sony is scrambling to regain share of the "portable" music market....with no success as of the present.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Kool-aid drinkers need only apply!!!

you're finally catching on
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Old May 10, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
thus Sony is scrambling to regain share of the "portable" music market....with no success as of the present.
I don't think they're gonna get it. They lost the portable music war a long time ago. The PSP is a noble effort with great sound... but too little... too late. Not to mention too expensive - and almost nobody is going to buy it FOR it's music capabilities.

I've had Walkmans and Discmans back in the day, and they were great for what they were, even though Mega Bass sucked ass. Ironically, the bass enhancement (EQ) system on iPods sucks for the same reason Mega Bass sucked... the system sets normalization for the track based on the initial bass note of any given song - thusly, that initial note is typically distorted and high-volume, for just even a moment. It's noticeable enough that it drives me crazy.

By the way - without any EQ applied, an iPod sounds like TOTAL ASS.
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iPods are severly overrated...with all the new devices that are comming out, I think the market share will be more spread out in the future
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I never knew the Pentium 3 was a next generation processor

Wow.. One analyst said it so it must be true...

Enjoy playing your busted and old PS2 for a year while most others who have an open mind is enjoying true next gen gaming.
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I never knew the Pentium 3 was a next generation processor

Wow.. One analyst said it so it must be true...

Enjoy playing your busted and old PS2 for a year while most others who have an open mind is enjoying true next gen gaming.

perhaps if you were to re-read the article......then post again. How many analysts are saying the same for xbox?? none. it's all about how xbox HOPES to challenge PS....yet the game doesn't start until ps3 is released. In the end, xbox will be out sooner but ps3 will be better.
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perhaps if you were to re-read the article......then post again. How many analysts are saying the same for xbox?? none. it's all about how xbox HOPES to challenge PS....yet the game doesn't start until ps3 is released. In the end, xbox will be out sooner but ps3 will be better.
lol riiiight, this is based on absolute definitive facts, right?
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
I never knew the Pentium 3 was a next generation processor

Wow.. One analyst said it so it must be true...

Enjoy playing your busted and old PS2 for a year while most others who have an open mind is enjoying true next gen gaming.
my PS2 is in beautiful condition, thank you.

ps. GT4 pwnsj00
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lol riiiight, this is based on absolute definitive facts, right?
Zapata knows all. No use trying to talk and sense to him. Let him and Srika live in their little delusional world.

I swear, Sony better be paying both you for your blind allegiance. My god, Sony isn't even an extremely cool or innovative company anymore. They are a shell of their former selves. Samsung has far surpassed Sony in the consumer electronics arena.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
Zapata knows all. No use trying to talk and sense to him. Let him and Srika live in their little delusional world.

I swear, Sony better be paying both you for your blind allegiance. My god, Sony isn't even an extremely cool or innovative company anymore. They are a shell of their former selves. Samsung has far surpassed Sony in the consumer electronics arena.
As I said before cusdaddy, don't let the whole rivaly thing blind you. Why PS1/2 have been successful worldwide? Simple, Sony stole most game developers in Japan from Nintendo 10 years ago. If Microsoft is willing to spend big cash to make them work for xbox360 only. Then PS3 will be fail. But is it going to happen? HIGHLY UNLIKELY. So yea, I can bet you anything that xbox360 will lose the next gen console war to Sony.

Just in case you missed my reply in the Forza thread: Sale numbers matter. Ask Sega why Dreamcast failed so badly even though it was the first 128 bit console in the market.

It only happens in US of A, people who don't like xbox must be Sony fanboys. I am just glad that I am not American. Open your damn mind and look: xbox lacks software supports outside of USA and it doesn't matter how good the hardware is. The same can be said to Gamecube. Nintendo took almost 8 years to recover the relationship between them and SquareEnix.

PS2 still rules, I enjoy great titles like GT4, Dragon Quest, Sakura Taisen, Gradius, Virtual On, Sengoku Ace, Kidou Senshi Gandamu and Super Robot Wars. Halo is lame.

Don't even try to bring up the whole "I am American and I play American games only" BS, its your loss to miss out some of the greatest titles of all-time.

Am I a Sony fanboy? No. All Sony products I have are PS1, PS2 and Grand Wega.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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does anyone really care anymore?

every other thread is about the next ps or the next xbox and all sorts of predictions to get everyone all hot and bothered...why not just wait till it comes out and if you like it buy it, if not dont



toooooo many threads about the same stuff
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
Zapata knows all. No use trying to talk and sense to him. Let him and Srika live in their little delusional world.

I swear, Sony better be paying both you for your blind allegiance. My god, Sony isn't even an extremely cool or innovative company anymore. They are a shell of their former selves. Samsung has far surpassed Sony in the consumer electronics arena.
Sony's high-end televisions are great. The PS2 is great, mainly because of GT4. I think that is about it. Oh yeah they also has some nice headphones and earphones. The PS2 has other good games but for my purposes I only play GT4 on it - but I am kind of a racing freak and VERY VERY PICKY when it comes to racing games (call me anal, go ahead) - if I try a game and don't feel like playing it again, I WON'T - PERIOD. If GT4 sucked, I wouldn't play it. I wouldn't play it just because I feel the need to speak up about it on a forum. If I felt, after a while, that it got boring, I got tired of it, it didn't like it anymore, I wouldn't continue to post about it here and wreak havoc with all the Xbox peeps such as yourself. It would be pointless. What I feel about GT4 is genuine and not made up. Call me a biased PS2 fanboy, call me whatever you want - I will be happy.

I have never said Sony is a kick-ass company and stuck up for them as a company in general. I stick up for GT4 whenever possible because it is probably the best console racing game ever made.

Samsung...... right. We are talking about video games here, not electronics in general. Try staying on topic.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:26 PM
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does anyone really care anymore?

every other thread is about the next ps or the next xbox and all sorts of predictions to get everyone all hot and bothered...why not just wait till it comes out and if you like it buy it, if not dont



toooooo many threads about the same stuff
console & computer gaming forum pwnsj00
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:28 PM
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Old May 10, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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just kidding man.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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I think we can all agree that everyone that posts in the gaming forum is pretty narrow-minded in one way or another.

If because I don't have the extra $$ to buy every console and every game for each console, and that I pick only the console and games that fills my needs, then I'm the most narrow-minded bastard in here. Thank you.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:04 AM
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As I said before cusdaddy, don't let the whole rivaly thing blind you. Why PS1/2 have been successful worldwide? Simple, Sony stole most game developers in Japan from Nintendo 10 years ago. If Microsoft is willing to spend big cash to make them work for xbox360 only. Then PS3 will be fail. But is it going to happen? HIGHLY UNLIKELY. So yea, I can bet you anything that xbox360 will lose the next gen console war to Sony.

Just in case you missed my reply in the Forza thread: Sale numbers matter. Ask Sega why Dreamcast failed so badly even though it was the first 128 bit console in the market.

It only happens in US of A, people who don't like xbox must be Sony fanboys. I am just glad that I am not American. Open your damn mind and look: xbox lacks software supports outside of USA and it doesn't matter how good the hardware is. The same can be said to Gamecube. Nintendo took almost 8 years to recover the relationship between them and SquareEnix.

PS2 still rules, I enjoy great titles like GT4, Dragon Quest, Sakura Taisen, Gradius, Virtual On, Sengoku Ace, Kidou Senshi Gandamu and Super Robot Wars. Halo is lame.

Don't even try to bring up the whole "I am American and I play American games only" BS, its your loss to miss out some of the greatest titles of all-time.

Am I a Sony fanboy? No. All Sony products I have are PS1, PS2 and Grand Wega.
Microsoft came in out of nowhere in 2001 and went to #2 right above Nintendo. Despite $2 billion and counting in losses innovation is continuing. Major developers from japan, including ppl who worked on FF are being hired for xbox games. The games themselves at microsoft studios have higher budgets that some hollywood movies (I think forza had $20 million+ budget).

What makes you think they arent trying?

And who brought up the america vs. the world thing? Just because sony is japanese doesnt mean i hate it. Apple is american, but i fucking hate the mac computers and ipod hype
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:37 AM
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Holy inefficiency, Batman...
yea, absolutely no way microsoft would do that. they've had major contractual disagreements with nvidia and nvidia has always come out on top. MS has wanted to pay nvidia less money for their chip and nvidia hasn't allowed it to happen so far.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 04:39 AM
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Old May 11, 2005 | 08:13 AM
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This is 100% dead-on accurate for PS2 fanboys such as myself. I won't be buying an Xbox 360 at all, in any way, shape, or form. I'm not "waiting" for it either.
PS3 will be better, their 3rd party support is > *
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Old May 11, 2005 | 10:31 AM
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lol riiiight, this is based on absolute definitive facts, right?


yes it is....i didn't write the article, it is reality. Cusdaddy, as usual, will ignore those things that don't jive with his world view. He quotes part of the article that don't exist to make a point he doesn't have any support for.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cmark
I think we can all agree that everyone that posts in the gaming forum is pretty narrow-minded in one way or another.

If because I don't have the extra $$ to buy every console and every game for each console, and that I pick only the console and games that fills my needs, then I'm the most narrow-minded bastard in here. Thank you.
good post. I agree.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:28 PM
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yes it is....i didn't write the article, it is reality. Cusdaddy, as usual, will ignore those things that don't jive with his world view. He quotes part of the article that don't exist to make a point he doesn't have any support for.
the article isnt based on facts...its based on assumptions and estimations by an analysist. I want definitive F A C T S.

I cant say that xbox 360 will be better than ps3...it hasnt come out yet and there are no facts to show otherwise. With the same token how can you rightfully say ps3 will be better than xbox 360?
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Old May 11, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
the article isnt based on facts...its based on assumptions and estimations by an analysist. I want definitive F A C T S.

I cant say that xbox 360 will be better than ps3...it hasnt come out yet and there are no facts to show otherwise. With the same token how can you rightfully say ps3 will be better than xbox 360?
Ahhh... speculation.

Speculation makes life more interesting than it would have been otherwise...

Everyone loves some good ol' speculation based on (relatively) unknown facts. Don't believe me?

Turn on the TV.
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Old May 11, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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(call me anal, go ahead) Call me a biased PS2 fanboy, call me whatever you want - I will be happy.
ok, since you asked:
Anal, biased PS@ fanboy!!! :wink:
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Old May 11, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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Xbox 360 > Xbox > Ps2 > *

Will PS3 be > * Who knows. Lets wait for it to come out.
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