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I totally get it man, buying an EV for the sole reason being to save gas is stupid, you'd never make up the difference in cost over what you already have. I also get the passion side of things, I haven't been able to sell my Jeep because of it even though it costs an arm and a leg to drive it around. I get my wrenching and modding jollies with that thing and leave my daily for everything else.
Because I had a need for a new car to cart around the kiddo anyway, the Tesla made the most sense to buy and continues to do so with my driving habits being mostly city driving. I also work from home most of the time but I drive to the gym, to/from daycare, and whatever else I have going on so I still tack on 700-800 miles a month anyway.
Panel gaps aren't really a thing anymore...and you should have seen the look on that Altima driver's face when a golf cart blew him out of the water.
They are absurdly quick from a dig .. I've seen it with my own eyes
fo sho.
I guess my point is that if someone is in the market for a new car, don't discount an EV because the experience today isn't like what it was even 2 years ago. Definitely worthwhile to look into because the benefits are immense relative to a gas car, even for an enthusiast. I've already decided that my daily will be an EV for the foreseeable future, even with the Tesla going out sometime in second half of next year and the new era will begin.
I'm mostly no because of the hypocrisy of those extolling how great it is, but plug their car into a fossil fuel source at home. I'm not ready to be that guy. You are saving nothing. Not the planet. Just burning more of the same in a different way. If I did go the EV route I get a lot of sun here in CO. So a solar charging solution would have to be a part of it. Plus no ICE to take care of. Fluids, belts, hoses, etc... Should cost way less to maintain.
I'm still waiting for the solar industry to have more efficient panels, so possibly in a few years. And maybe the USA will be like Germany (over there, if you put power back on the grid you get paid the same rate as you would when you buy from the grid. In CO they don't do that, they buy back at 1/4 the rate). Also, in a few years the recycling of the batteries will be better. Less environmental impact. Mining the precious metals for the battery is pretty dirty work.
I personally did not at all buy an EV for the "green" nature of the car. I mean it's cool that it doesn't pollute and all but that was pretty far down on the list of criteria for me. In any case, a natural gas fired power plant is a LOT more efficient than your average gas car so, even though it is burning fossil fuel to generate electricity, it's not using nearly as much of it as your car is to generate the same amount of output. A modern combined cycle natural gas plant is 55-60% efficient whereas your car is 20-25% efficient so keep that in mind too. Some modern coal plants are up at 50%+ as well but they are pretty rare since coal is on its way out.
I went EV because it's cheap to maintain, cheap(er) to insure, cheap to "fuel", and 95% of my driving is in the city anyway. On top of that it's fast AF, fun to drive, tons of space, and has an excellent resale value.
But I dont mind a plug in hybrid that i can get 50-80 miles on electricity and enough gas power to enjoy the car without it.
That way i can enjoy all the benefits of EV, granted that i probably have to plug in daily vs. a few times a week.
and without having to look for charging stations when the electricity runs low.
The current X5 45e is close (B58 + battery) but does not have enough EV power - 30 miles is too weak and it takes 14 secs to get to 60 on EV only I dont expect it to perform like a true EV but 14 secs? F that.
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But I dont mind a plug in hybrid that i can get 50-80 miles on electricity and enough gas power to enjoy the car without it.
That way i can enjoy all the benefits of EV, granted that i probably have to plug in daily vs. a few times a week.
and without having to look for charging stations when the electricity runs low.
The current X5 45e is close (B58 + battery) but does not have enough EV power - 30 miles is too weak and it takes 14 secs to get to 60 on EV only I dont expect it to perform like a true EV but 14 secs? F that.
I respect your opinion but I’d argue that you live in so cal. You can spit and hit a charger. It’s not a big deal here.
Charging and driving conservatively aside, charging in Vegas is a bitch since there are limited charging spots in the hotel and they are never empty.
I will have to go out of my way just to charge the night before to ensure i will have enough juice to get to Baker.
Vs. Gas... i will just find a gas station literally anywhere...
Been to Vegas with Model Y before with my friend.... again do-able... i personally dont wanna deal with it.
Many hotels offer or have EV chargers. There is a supercharger behind the Link hotel. I think there are 2 or 3 options for superchargers on the drive. Baker and I believe Purim and possibly one other.
conservative driving? I’ve done tests during my commutes to Santa Clarita. Between driving conservatively and ripping home at 90+ mph. There was about. 5-7% variance in the drain on the battery. And there is some hill driving involved there. You shouldn’t have to give up spirited driving. But @SamDoe1 has the performance with marginally less range. So he couldn’t speak better to range on that one.
This is all very easy. And once you’ve gotten used to the slight differences it’s not a hassle. But you do you. You prefer to stick with gas, go for it. I still have a gas car as well for now.
But hassle is a relative term. 11000 miles in 6 months with no home charger. I have yet to find it a hassle.
Charging and driving conservatively aside, charging in Vegas is a bitch since there are limited charging spots in the hotel and they are never empty.
I will have to go out of my way just to charge the night before to ensure i will have enough juice to get to Baker.
Vs. Gas... i will just find a gas station literally anywhere...
Been to Vegas with Model Y before with my friend.... again do-able... i personally dont wanna deal with it.
This is more the issue than anything having to do with conservative driving and charging... There are plenty of options to charge in Vegas at all of the main hotels and driving there only requires the one stop you'd make with a gas car anyway.
People who daily drive EV's are telling you that it's a non issue and somehow that's not believable?
FWIW, I do not drive my car conservatively or gently. I pin it every single opportunity I get and I have never once been left even remotely close to stranded on the side of the road with a dead battery. When it comes to highway driving...I'm not really sure what you mean by conservatively. Get on the highway, set the cruise, and let the car drive. Pretty easy.
It's interesting to read the AZ BEV owner's and their experiences. Of the BEV owners I know or met, one common theme I noticed is none would go back to ICE.
It's interesting to read the AZ BEV owner's and their experiences. Of the BEV owners I know or met, one common theme I noticed is none would go back to ICE.
While I do plan on buying a fun, loud ICE car as a toy (on top of my other gas guzzling toy), I don't plan on daily driving another ICE car ever again. So much so that I've already ordered my second EV.
It's interesting to read the AZ BEV owner's and their experiences. Of the BEV owners I know or met, one common theme I noticed is none would go back to ICE.
If I can afford not to then I won't. maybe a phev but we'll see.
It's interesting to read the AZ BEV owner's and their experiences. Of the BEV owners I know or met, one common theme I noticed is none would go back to ICE.
I personally know plenty... and i also know a lot who went from ICE to EV... all personal preferences.
This is more the issue than anything having to do with conservative driving and charging... There are plenty of options to charge in Vegas at all of the main hotels and driving there only requires the one stop you'd make with a gas car anyway.
People who daily drive EV's are telling you that it's a non issue and somehow that's not believable?
FWIW, I do not drive my car conservatively or gently. I pin it every single opportunity I get and I have never once been left even remotely close to stranded on the side of the road with a dead battery. When it comes to highway driving...I'm not really sure what you mean by conservatively. Get on the highway, set the cruise, and let the car drive. Pretty easy.
I average about 90 in my car to vegas (when i could), and it takes about half a tank and i dont even need to stop.
Not sure if i can do the same EV or at least affordable EV.
On average, there are about 3-4 EV charging spots at every level of the parking structure, like i said, i go to vegas 15-16 times a year and i have yet to see any of them being empty.. like ever.
So unless you are the super lucky one, you will have to drive outside to charge.
Like i said, It can be done and some ppl dont mind it since i do see a lot of Tesla driving from LA to Vegas. I personally just wanna fill up on the way home and be done with it.
I've looked into it but it just doesn't make sense for us, especially considering our cars are paid off. The old 7 seater TDI is also getting 24mpgs in the city which isn't mind blowing for most but considering its a 5500lb land yacht, is nothing to sneeze at.
The V on the other hand is an absolute pig (shocker) but trolling Tesla's (from a roll) never gets old..
My father in law picked up a Model X & has been thoroughly unimpressed with it. Except for off the line acceleration it's just boring & the range has been the biggest shocker for him. He's an old vette guy that has evolved into Aston Martin's & AMGs so I get it. The lack of soul & character is a big part of purchasing a car (especially for an enthusiast) for alot of folks, EVs just don't have it.
I would love to buy and EV, but not are really driver focused and decently affordable (cough cough VW version of taycan please). Having solar is simply icing on the cake to reduce electric/fuel/energy bill.
As fun and odd as a tesla is to autocross, I'd love to have an EV that has more soul on a day to day basis. The model S I drove for a few days felt bland as posted above unless you were lead footing it in a straight line.
Only real EV's that seem reasonable to me are the ID4 and the Mustang if you can get you hands on one for a reasonable price.
I've looked into it but it just doesn't make sense for us, especially considering our cars are paid off. The old 7 seater TDI is also getting 24mpgs in the city which isn't mind blowing for most but considering its a 5500lb land yacht, is nothing to sneeze at.
The V on the other hand is an absolute pig (shocker) but trolling Tesla's (from a roll) never gets old..
My father in law picked up a Model X & has been thoroughly unimpressed with it. Except for off the line acceleration it's just boring & the range has been the biggest shocker for him. He's an old vette guy that has evolved into Aston Martin's & AMGs so I get it. The lack of soul & character is a big part of purchasing a car (especially for an enthusiast) for alot of folks, EVs just don't have it.
They don't have soul, can confirm. EV's are rolling computers and as such they do everything phenomenally well but do so in a pretty sterile manner. They are fast, efficient, cheap to "fuel", cheap to maintain, handle great, drive great, comfortable, and filled with tech and features. That list should make for a pretty fantastic car...and it does but it does feel like it's missing that soul or character.
Model X is a dog, especially the older ones. I wouldn't expect great range from that one as it's big and heavy. The good part is access to the supercharger network which makes things a lot easier in terms of driving places.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
I dunno, I kind of want out of one of my Teslas. I don't love the Model 3 and I kind of hate Elon.
That being said, I have no interest in getting gas or taking it from behind to get an E-Tron or whatever.
All of this, mostly the Elon part and the fact that Tesla stans are the worst. I won't miss it when the Rivian comes.
I have thought about offloading the Tesla now while the values are super high and getting an older Cayenne, X5, or something to daily in the mean time but don't really want to pay $5/gal for premium gas in something that averages 16mpg. I could continue to drive my Jeep in that situation.
^ I can’t wait til the Rivian’s become more available, or should I say enough pre orders fulfilled, to hear more reviews. I can’t afford one at this time, but I do like the R1T and the R1S. The R1T would prob serve me well, for space and mileage/per charge.
I’ve seen the you tube Trans America trail experiment.
I dunno, I kind of want out of one of my Teslas. I don't love the Model 3 and I kind of hate Elon.
That being said, I have no interest in getting gas or taking it from behind to get an E-Tron or whatever.
Trade it or sell it! Tesla's are getting premium money due to oil $$$ and instant delivery on used vehicles vs waiting 2-6 months. I had a client pay an extra $4K for a used one @ auction with 1800 miles vs paying MSRP and waiting till the end of august for a blue Model 3.
^ I can’t wait til the Rivian’s become more available, or should I say enough pre orders fulfilled, to hear more reviews. I can’t afford one at this time, but I do like the R1T and the R1S. The R1T would prob serve me well, for space and mileage/per charge.
I’ve seen the you tube Trans America trail experiment.
It’s an X. It’s a Turo rental. My buddy from back east who has the X Plaid is out here visiting with his family. They were at Disney and he rented this Plaid and I picked it up in LA, went to get them in Anaheim, and then drove us all out to the desert (my wife and his wife are in the Y. Him and I are in the X with the kids). And then he’ll take over the rental for the rest of his trip.
It’s an X. It’s a Turo rental. My buddy from back east who has the X Plaid is out here visiting with his family. They were at Disney and he rented this Plaid and I picked it up in LA, went to get them in Anaheim, and then drove us all out to the desert (my wife and his wife are in the Y. Him and I are in the X with the kids). And then he’ll take over the rental for the rest of his trip.
With pump prices seemingly soaring, I've been considering the Model 3 Long Range as a replacement for my TLX A-Spec when the lease comes due. But while I haven't gotten around to trying out the 3, I did get a chance to sample the BMW i4 M50 (though I'd probably lean towards the regular i4 due to its slightly longer range).
That said, HOLY COW! The i4 M50 is easily one of the quickest cars I've ever driven, with some eye opening acceleration. (My teen daughter - riding in the back seat - stated that the ride felt like the initial launch of Cheetah Hunt @ Busch Gardens Tampa Bay.) While it's $69k MSRP is a little more than I want to spend, I'd bring it to the top of my list if it wasnt for the fact that I still prefer to have access to Tesla's Supercharger network.
The i4 M50 is going to be like a Model 3 Performance for acceleration, they're pretty much identical. The Model 3 LR is going to be a good bit slower, similar to a Golf R or CTR for speed.
When's the lease up on the TLX? You should probably get an order in soon if you want to not have a gap in cars...
The i4 M50 is going to be like a Model 3 Performance for acceleration, they're pretty much identical. The Model 3 LR is going to be a good bit slower, similar to a Golf R or CTR for speed.
When's the lease up on the TLX? You should probably get an order in soon if you want to not have a gap in cars...
Yeah, I figure as much re: acceleration. As for the LR, 0-60 in 4.2 seconds is no slouch and absolutely quicker than my tuned TLX.
I have 24 months to go so, I have some time still. The Tesla website indicates that the M3 LR is currently available between Est. Delivery: Sep - Dec 2022. Granted, part of me is considering trading the LEAF towards a 3LR but, I actually want to keep the LEAF as a DD.
I can not wait to buy an EV, you guys should as well! Together, we will stick it to those oil companies! Would love to see what they do if we all drive electric.
Yeah, I figure as much re: acceleration. As for the LR, 0-60 in 4.2 seconds is no slouch and absolutely quicker than my tuned TLX.
I have 24 months to go so, I have some time still. The Tesla website indicates that the M3 LR is currently available between Est. Delivery: Sep - Dec 2022. Granted, part of me is considering trading the LEAF towards a 3LR but, I actually want to keep the LEAF as a DD.
DD the Tesla, why do you need the Leaf?
Take the estimated delivery date with a huge grain of salt lol, most of the time it's pretty wrong.
I can not wait to buy an EV, you guys should as well! Together, we will stick it to those oil companies! Would love to see what they do if we all drive electric.
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