Isn't it funny that you can buy a 240 HP Accord w/automatic tranny for much less than a 4-cylinder Acura TSX w/automatic tranny?

I wonder just how many automatic TSXs Acura plans to sell? Seems like a very hard sell to me........

 

The TSX is supposed to be a smaller and sportier car than the accord, all the people who hate the looks of the new accord will check out the TSX.

You will be amazed at how many people cant drive a manual tranny.

Peace!

 

Lots of people loved the Integra. The TSX is a great addition to the ACURA line up. It also has a better brand name, sportier ride and prolly additional features which the Accord just will not have. Also, Acccord has a stigma of a family sedan and some people including myself just dont want to drive a family car.

 

I don't doubt that it will be a really nice car.....but I think they're overpriced.

Hell, you could pick up a TL-S Navi today for a shade over $30K.

There's no way I'd pay close to $30K for a TSX.

 

TSX will be priced similarly to the RSX.

 

26K is rumored to be the entry price for the TSX, and that's with a manual. I'm not sure if Acura will charge more to add an automatic. C&D seemed to think they would, so add another thousand to that... 27K.

C&D talked about the TSX in the April isssue, and basically said it's a Honda and it's NOT even close to de-throning the 3-series whcih Honda/Acura admitted they were going after.

At 26-27K for a 4-cylinder it's a hard sell, IMHO. The Accord is a fantastic car and has a hell of a motor in it. While the TSX is certainly more refined and more luxury, I don't know know how many people will want a 4-banger for a potential 27K+ automatic car. I really wonder if the TSX will sell...

 

From what I've read, a loaded TSX (w/auto trans and Navi) will be close to $30K....

Too much for a Euro-Accord

 

Exactly my point..... I think Acura is putting themselves in a tough position with the pricing of this car. I'm sure initial sales will be fairly strong (just like tons of other new cars), but in a year or so, the TSX will probably be selling as well as the CL

 

I don't understand their marketing strategy either. If someone wants something smaller and sportier than an Accord they can get an RSX.

 

I don't get it either. I have a feeling it will be a so-so selling car, but you never know. My biggest beef is the 4-banger for that $$

 

Actually I bet what will happen is future cars like the new TL will be snuck up in price a couple grand or so, making room for this middle class that will end up costing what our CL/TL cost over the past three years.

It's basically a way to push prices up. Squeeze in a new in-between size vehicle then push the former regular vehicle into a higher price tag.

Very sneaky, sir.

 

it really needs a v6... but the interior of that car is SWEET. 8" nav screen, 360watt stereo, and the layout just looks awesome. it should also handle really well compared to the accord. they're only bringing in 15,000 this year, i dont think they'll have too much trouble selling them. maybe 05 will get the v6 it needs...

 

I don't know, seems like this car will compete more against the Accord, not the BMW or Audis. Who would pay more for a few extra features on a 4 cylinder when they could get a 6 cylinder Accord loaded with goodies. I'll have to see the TSX, if it's stylish and much different than the Accord, well maybe it will sell to 6 cylinder Acura wannabes. I'm used to thinking the Acura should be 6 cylinders and Hondas should be 4, but the market is more complicated than that I guess.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I only buy coupes.
I read the new TL will go more upscale which is good IMO. Hopefully a new premium coupe will follow in a year or 2.

 

http://www.pbase.com/syclone/tsx

 

When I saw the TSX at the NAIAS, it wasn't anything special whatsoever. The 4x4 wheel gaps really hurt it's stance and the back looked exactly like the late model Camry. The from was nice though. Not bad, but nothing that gets the heart moving.

 

Seeing the pix, it's exactly what Acura has made big efforts to say that it is NOT - It's a 4 door car for RSX buyers. The rear looks just lke the RSX. It's fine but it wouldn't make me not buy a BMW or Audi if I saw it. Honda still doesn't get why people are buying the BMW 3 and the Audi 4, more stylish and more unique.
I was hoping Honda's conservative styling was done, but it's still alive and well on the Accord and the TSX. Acura needs more than just well built and designed cars, they need more styling.
I like my CL but the styling should have been kicked up a notch or 3.

 

Oh geez, I understand it's a 4-cylinder engine, and not the 3.0 V6 from the larger accord, but it's a smaller, lighter, and sportier car. If we keep drawing comparisons to the 3-series, check this out:

325i: I6, 2.5L engine, 184hp, 175tq.
TSX: I4, 2.4L engine, 220hp (??), 160tq (??).

Correct me if I'm wrong on the TSX numbers -- I just remember hearing 220hp for the TSX-S, and I'm assuming that the 2.4L engine will make at least as much torque as it's US Accord 2.4L counterpart.

The BMW might have an I6, but their displacement on the smaller model is only 0.1L bigger! Overall, the speed and driveability won't be all that much better on the 325.

If we compare to the 330, then of course it's no contest, but the 330 costs $38k loaded, and the TSX $26, so it's not really fair

I'm just saying that all the people who bitch about the "4-banger" unconditionally because it has a smaller # of cylinders should do more detailed investigations...

 

Wrong. 200hp. There is not Type-S model planned (for now).

It may make good power for a 4 cylinder, but to me a 4-cylinder (no matter how refined) is buzzier, noisier, and overall less refined than a good V6.

How do I know? I drive a 03 Accord EX as my Z is hibernating from the snow. It's far from a bad engine, but not nearly as smooth as most V6's that I have driven. At lights on an incline it makes the steering wheel vibrate my hands.

All I am saying is that for the $$ they are charging, and the competition that it's going against, they should have included the 3.0L v6 as an option.

 

OK, sure, it would've been nice if it was included, but I can understand why they didn't want to do it -- the whole point is to take an already-made car ("free" engineering) from Europe, and adapt it to a different US market segment. I'm sure it's not trivial to change the engines.

Assuming that I'm right about the displacement though, my point is that it's not a 1.6 or 1.8 liter "4-banger", like a civic or the integra used to be, or even the RSX... 2.4L is a very respectable size, and produces very driveable torque down low. Sure, the BMW's I6 is going to be silkier and smoother, but it's not like you're driving a buzz-bee (Integra, Celica, etc.). 2.5L vs. 2.4L isn't that much of a difference.

I still think it's a nice car; for instance, my Mom is very excited about it: it's affordable, smaller, sportier, and prettier than the new accord (she hates coupes, really wants 4 doors), has way plenty of power (she already freaks out about 200 hp), and comes with stick (she refuses to drive auto, that's what happens when your Mom's from Mother Russia ).

The Accord sedan, to her, is fat, ugly, and only auto. And, of course, the BMW is $10k too much, so....

 

Very good points! I think that the 6-speed version will be a great buy, and I see your point, but I still feel if someone were to get an Auto, I'd rather go with a Accord EX V6.

I guess I was hoping Acura would have offered something a little "spicier", but it's a nice alternative to the Accord

 

I agree. But guys, give the TSX a chance. All we've seen are pictures and specs. We have no idea how it performs until we try one out.

IMO, it looks to be a good alternative to the Mazda 6, where you may be able to get some of the 6 performance but with Honda quality.

Personally, I think the TSX will sell extremely well here.

As for the automatic models, trust me: there's a market for it; and a big one at that.

 

a type s will come out with a 6 i'm sure.

 

I think I prefer the 6, atleast it has the option of a V6.

 

I agree. I think the TSX is a nice looking car but I just don't understand why it doesn't have a v6. $26k-30K is high priced for a 4 cylinder car. ( unless it is the new Lancer EVO or new WRX) IMO 4 cylinders does not equal luxury.

 

I think Honda's intent is reasonable: keep the TSX from cannibalizing TL sales. That coupled with the fact that the Euro Accord doesnt have a V6 option are the reasons for a 4 cylinder only TSX.

 

I will never buy a TSX for myself!

sidemarker

 

Oh, and I was so hoping you would.

Actually, I'll never buy one either. If it was available a couple years ago I would, however, I (like most people on this forum) my life has moved beyond a car like this now...after all, it IS an "entry level" luxury car and most of us have already entered.

 

I wouldn't buy a TSX PERIOD!

 

Wonderful. And I wouldn't order onions on my hamburger PERIOD. If you don't like that TSX, that's too bad...cope with it and move on. If you do like it, that's great...I'm glad Acura succeeded in your eyes.

For every one person who has a mad-on for the TSX there's probably one or two people who like it...in this crazy mixed up world of ours. Different strokes for different folks.