I recently put a deposit down on a Silver/Ebony 6MT TL w/ Navi, but decided that before I took the plunge, that I should go test drive it's little NEW brother.

I did this, because the Accord was 27,000 w/o taxes. It also didn't have Navi, Bluetooth, or ELS. BUT it had about everything else.

I was surprised by it's looks. It has 17" wheels, stronger stance, and looks sportier. No TL, but not bad.

It had a short throw shifter like the TL, but the feeling was better IMO, as was the clutch engagement. The TL is faster and quicker too. The suspension was a little softer than the TL, but firmer than the auto accord. Steering not as light either. I liked it.

It's not a TL, but for more than 3-5k less, it's definitely something to think about.

Hope you liked the review.

 

Oh yeah, no Torque steer

 

Nice... Since Acura doesn't make a coupe anymore, the Accord EX v6 6mt is the closest thing to the CLS 6spd....

If I was looking for a new car to buy today, the accord would be on my list.

It's nice to see that Honda is offering the 6mt on both the v6 accord coupe and sedans

Edit: No Torque Steer ?? It's still FWD, right ??

 

Is the lack of torque steer due to less horsepower or did they do something right in the Accord?

So Honda is building it own competitor to the TL? This way they give you a choice, so you win and they can't lose. Smart thinking.

 

that's how Nissan is doing it.

 

how exactly?

 

I'm not buying the no torque steer comment. I don't think that anyone can eliminate torque steer from a FWD platform. Even with the LSD on my CLS 6spd, I can induce torque steer at the drop of the hat. You just have to push the car a little (8/10's, 9/10's)...

For normal driving around town, there's no torque steer in my CLS, but if I'm doing some "spirited" driving (or just crusing on the highway @ 80 and hit some bumps or sand), I've had the steering wheel pulled out of my hands a couple of times

 

i'm guessing Sentra/I ; Altima/G ; Maxima/M?

 

They drive nothing alike though.

 

I spent several months comparing and test driving the TL, TSX, and Accord coupe six speed. All were impressive and enjoyable to drive. In the end I purchased the Accord six speed, and after 7200 km. I couldn't be happier.

Terry

 

I meant that "That's what Nissan is doing".

Well I was just comparing Nissan and Infinity like Ron was doing between Honda and Acura.

I mean look at what Altima SE-R (stock) can do performance wise.

So if we compare Accord v6 6-speed and tl 6speed, they're #'s should be somewhat similar even though I believe TL should be faster and should have more power, and other options like awd or rwd.

 

thank you.

 

The I35 is discontinued. None of the Nissan's drive anything like the Infiniti's. They might have the same VQ V6 engine, but the engine is tuned differently for each car. Nissan's are all FWD except for the Z and the trucks. All Infiniti's are RWD.

The Altima SE-R is a great car but it's no G35.
Talk about torque steer. Check out the Altima SE-R and you'll know how it feels.

 

Maxima = Japanese word for torque steer


There IS torque steer on the Accord 6 MT but it is far less IMO than the TL 6 speed.

 

Especially the current generation. If considerin a Nissan product, the Infiniti G35 is clearly the winner on driving dynamics, and (obviously) has no torque steer.

Nice, brief review on the Accord, which in coupe form is a much sharper car than its sedan sibling.

 

Thank you.

The TL and AV6 have NOTHING on the Maxima (and Altima V6) when it comes to torque steer!!!

 

The Sentra at one point had an Infiniti counterpart back when it was on the B14 platform: the G20.

The A32 & A33 Maxima (95-99, 00-03) [u]had[/i] an Infiniti counterpart which was the I30/I35. But the 'I' was discontinued after the 2004 model year.

Outside of the Armada (QX56) and 350Z (G35C), Nissans dont share any other models with Infiniti.

 

Not in the U.S. at least.

 

Does it have skinnier tires? That would reduce torque steer.

 

I'm not saying Torque Steer doesn't exist in the new 4 door V6 6MT, but I did push it, and the wheel did not pull like my old Maxima, or TL. Maybe because it has slightly less power, maybe it's the thinner tires, or maybe it's the new torque control system deployed in the TL. All I know, is that I didn't feel it.

I told the dealer to hang on, while I looked for it. I went hard in 1st on two occassions, and I didn't notice it. I didn't try it out of turns, where one sometimes gets it on the TL as well. It probably is there a bit, but definitely not like the TL, or Maxima.

I really enjoyed the ride.

Oh yeah, it wasn't as "quiet" as the TL. I think the TL's better insulated. Still a great buy, and pleasent surprise. I'll still probably go TL, but the decision's much tougher now.

Thanks,

 

My Accord six speed has a minimal amount of torque steer. Not noticable at all during hard acceleration in a straight line, but a very slight amount if accelerating hard out of a corner. I test drove a new Maxima as well. Very nice and with a VERY impressive powertrain, but I'm sure if those front wheels were pointed anywhere but the road while accelerating hard, the car was heading in that direction.

Terry

 

Accord does not have LSD, Brembo brakes, and 2 rear doors.

TL tires are a full 20mm wider on 1/2 inch wider rims each (215/45R17 on 7.5 inch vs. 235/45R17 on 8 inch).

Sound system difference: TL >>>> AV6

Torque steer, well more power + wider, stickier tires + a better drivetrain = more traction, so you "feel" it more.

I owned a '03 AV6 before my TL and I loved it. But the TL is just a better, more capable and satifying machine to live with.

 

I thought the Accord Sedan (4 door) could be had with the 6spd tranny too

 

I joked with my dad who has the G35x sedan that it's equivalent to the Altima, he got angry with me.

 

Technically it is not. The Altima, Maxima, Murano, run on the same platform (FWD). The G is actually on the same plaftform as the Z and the FX series.

TL & Accord are on the same platform though.

 

FFL vs FM platforms.


Extra-US comparisons are moot. Infiniti is still predominantly a North American product, unlike say in Japan where (from Moco to President) it's all

 

It does, for 2006.

 

Thanks... I was too lazy to look it up

 

I don't think you read very closely. We ARE talking about the Accord Sedan v6 w/ 6MT. While it doesn't have LSD, Brembos, the sound system, or the tires. It's a similar vehicle for thousands less.

You can do a lot to your Accord w/ that $$$, or you can pocket it for something else.

Apples to apples, the TL wins hands down, we know that. But at 27K MSRP, you get a lot of vehicle.

 

I certainly agree with you. In some respects I don't expect my six speed Accord to be comparable to the TL. But as much as I think the TL is a wonderful car, I couldn't justify the $6000 Canadian premium when the Accord, at least in six speed trim, shared many of the same virtues as the TL.

On a side note, we actually purchased two Accords. The six speed and a hybrid. Our salesman was very informative and claimed the six speed had larger front brakes. He even compared both cars parked beside each other and the difference was noticable. I'm curious if anyone here knows who manufactures the brake components on the six speed. Are they brembos? Or just a larger disc manufactured by Honda.

Terry

 

Who cares, styling and badge alone is worth the premium price for the TL.


Accord is bland as

 

and I must say about the coupe 6 MT also,, despite some different wheels and one little badging difference, it will still look like EVERY OTHER ACCORD.
Not that I am saying the TL 6 MT doesn't look like the auto, but the accord is much more common than the TL.

 

Hey, while I like the TL, the fact that every 3G (w/o mods) looks the same, is starting to make this car look bland too. Went to pick a DVD up at the store, Friday. On my way in I saw a 50's something lady driving a Abyss Blue, w/ a couple kids in the back. Not a big deal, until she came to the intersection where there was another Abyss Blue w/ an older woman behind the wheel.

While this won't sway me away from the TL, it's a bummer that they didn't make at least a base model to sell to that group.

The Accord 4 door 6MT, won't be common, and doesn't look that bland either.

TL best, but 4-5K better?

 

Acura was supposed to have improved the Tq steer issue on the 06 TL 6 Speed. At least thats what the 06 TL press release said.

 

Good point. Then again, the TL's most direct competitor the ES330 only comes in one version and so did the I35 towards the end of its life.

As has been indicated elsewhere, an A-spec pkg TL stands out from the rest IMHO.

 

Whatever makes yourself feel better big guy!


Plus im sure Acura has better service than honda does.