So much for the VW DSG Transmission
02-22-2006, 09:18 PM
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Wow...expensive maintenance for a high performance technology...NO WAY!!!
Give me a break...every 40k isn't too bad.
I'm shocked you didn't discover this sooner with the DSG in the A3...
Give me a break...every 40k isn't too bad.
I'm shocked you didn't discover this sooner with the DSG in the A3...
02-22-2006, 09:33 PM
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Every 40k.. big deal.
Even if people keep the car till 80k, $400 aint nothing on somthing like a DSG. Well worth it, gotta pay to play!
Sounds like you reaching to try to bash somthing. I mean hell, some spend more on a clutch and flywheel that need to be replaced way before 80k miles.
Even if people keep the car till 80k, $400 aint nothing on somthing like a DSG. Well worth it, gotta pay to play!
Sounds like you reaching to try to bash somthing. I mean hell, some spend more on a clutch and flywheel that need to be replaced way before 80k miles.
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Well worth it.
02-22-2006, 09:48 PM
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Wasn't trying to bash VW; I was just shocked by the high price. The previous generation ZF 01M and 09M transmissions used in the Golf/Jetta/Passat/A4/A6 uses the Pentosin OEM replacement ATF, which only costs $14/L and used a $30 filter. 3L per fluid change, so around $80 for a service if you decided to do it. About 1/3 the cost of servicing the DSG. Even Toyota's World Standard ATF used in the new IS350 (IIRC) only costs $40/gal.
Given the high cost of the fluid, I bet that few people will actually service these transmissions, leading to a disaster for VW.
Given the high cost of the fluid, I bet that few people will actually service these transmissions, leading to a disaster for VW.
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02-22-2006, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Every 40k.. big deal.
Even if people keep the car till 80k, $400 aint nothing on somthing like a DSG. Well worth it, gotta pay to play!
Sounds like you reaching to try to bash somthing. I mean hell, some spend more on a clutch and flywheel that need to be replaced way before 80k miles.
Even if people keep the car till 80k, $400 aint nothing on somthing like a DSG. Well worth it, gotta pay to play!
Sounds like you reaching to try to bash somthing. I mean hell, some spend more on a clutch and flywheel that need to be replaced way before 80k miles.
Agreed, and 2 changes take you to 120k. I personally wouldn't give that a second thought if I desired a DSG. I would get a manual but would expect to spend even more in 120k miles.
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Originally Posted by Michael Wan
Wasn't trying to bash VW; I was just shocked by the high price. The previous generation ZF 01M and 09M transmissions used in the Golf/Jetta/Passat/A4/A6 uses the Pentosin OEM replacement ATF, which only costs $14/L and used a $30 filter. 3L per fluid change, so around $80 for a service if you decided to do it. About 1/3 the cost of servicing the DSG. Even Toyota's World Standard ATF used in the new IS350 (IIRC) only costs $40/gal.
Given the high cost of the fluid, I bet that few people will actually service these transmissions, leading to a disaster for VW.
Given the high cost of the fluid, I bet that few people will actually service these transmissions, leading to a disaster for VW.
But this is not a big deal by any stretch...None of the trannies listed use a twin clutch system, which in turn probably requires this more expensive fluid for who knows what technical reasons...
Point is, its a small price to pay for a high performance automatic transmission should that be your druthers.
So, there will be no "disaster" at VW because the cost of ATF fluid is more expensive on a low volume sports compact.
Go run along and memorize your viscosity charts.
02-22-2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
Agreed, and 2 changes take you to 120k. I personally wouldn't give that a second thought if I desired a DSG. I would get a manual but would expect to spend even more in 120k miles.
I only hope the GTI has much better feeling manual. I would expect it to.
02-22-2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronnn
at least the tranny will last.
you know how long a honda/acura v6 tranny lasts?
you know how long a honda/acura v6 tranny lasts?
That was a problem that plagued the last generation of trannies. This generation seems to be A-OK.
02-22-2006, 10:08 PM
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at least the tranny will last.
ZF had issues with their 01M and 09M transmissions in the VW/Audi models. My transmission guy in SC rebuilds a good # of these with 50-70K on the clock for about $3500. Remanufactured unit runs 5K.
Aisin Warner had issues with their transmissions as well. So not all transmissions are as reliable as you may believe.
you know how long a honda/acura v6 tranny lasts?
02-23-2006, 12:48 AM
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many of us probably easily spend more than $200 on oil every 40k miles, espeically those that choose synthetic oils or pay to have someone else change their oil for them
but still $200 is still a lot of money just for some fluid/filter.....$25 bucks a liter is like as much as grey goose
will you will have to replace both the clutches at some point as well?......
but still $200 is still a lot of money just for some fluid/filter.....$25 bucks a liter is like as much as grey goose
will you will have to replace both the clutches at some point as well?......
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Considering the amazing technology, its worth the small admission price. 
02-23-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Considering the amazing technology, its worth the small admission price.
I am a die hard manual transmission man. I love having a clutch.
But when the A3 was first released I drove a loaded one with DSG, and let me tell you this car almost had me reconsider my stick shift ways.
In the end my desire to clutch and H-pattern shift still wins.
But..DSG is THAT good. Hell, its amazing.
02-23-2006, 04:51 AM
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Stay away from the oil forum for a while. 
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