rockstar143's 2013 CTS-V SUV Wagon Thread - GM Owner & Cut Springs
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JT4 (11-04-2016)
11-04-2016, 10:28 AM
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rockstar143, silly question.
If you have your polished wheels powder coated and after a while decide, wife and/or yourself, that a new tinge is in order. Would your ‘hookup’ have to media blast the old PC off and start anew to get the ‘suitest’ possible result or just sand them, which would be a PIA?
In addition, another FYI.
I know this is premature and it will probably be a few years, in fact, CCColtsicehockey will likely beat you to it
, before you’ll need the supercharger unit serviced/rebuilt at the 100K mark or so. New OEM ones are around $2,200 shipped on ebay.
http://jonbondperformance.com/
I had my CT unit rebuilt at JB Performance in DEC2015 and he does great work, keeps in contact etc. Not sure if he has done any of the LSA S/C units though yet. When you have some time to burn, check out his website above or Google if the link fails to work. He offers some cool PC services to, maybe you’ll pick up an idea or two.
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11-04-2016, 11:13 AM
#2564
CTSV,TL, Audi Q7 & A5SB
In addition, another FYI.
I know this is premature and it will probably be a few years, in fact, CCColtsicehockey will likely beat you to it
, before you’ll need the supercharger unit serviced/rebuilt at the 100K mark or so. New OEM ones are around $2,200 shipped on ebay.:
If not taken car of and the bearing gets real bad you may hear a high-pitched squeal, if you hear this that means the bearing shaft has failed. If this happens, and its not fixed the problem could cause the engine to fail..
If you guys with V's haven't checked this out yet go to your dealer.. I had mine replaced around 8,000 miles, it sounds exactly like marbles in a tin can..
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11-04-2016, 11:30 AM
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As long as no mods were done to the supercharger GM has extended the warranty on the superchargers for 10 year or 120K miles from the first in service date of the car. They issued this extension a couple of years back after customers were complaining about supercharger rattling at idle. GM found that the internal bearing shaft grease may become contaminated. This in turn may cause the bearing to overheat and cause the supercharger to rattle at idle.
If not taken car of and the bearing gets real bad you may hear a high-pitched squeal, if you hear this that means the bearing shaft has failed. If this happens, and its not fixed the problem could cause the engine to fail..
If you guys with V's haven't checked this out yet go to your dealer.. I had mine replaced around 8,000 miles, it sounds exactly like marbles in a tin can..
If not taken car of and the bearing gets real bad you may hear a high-pitched squeal, if you hear this that means the bearing shaft has failed. If this happens, and its not fixed the problem could cause the engine to fail..
If you guys with V's haven't checked this out yet go to your dealer.. I had mine replaced around 8,000 miles, it sounds exactly like marbles in a tin can..
So you experienced the actual 'marbles in a tin can' sound? I bet you were like WTF?
You would not happen to know who the manufacturer is for this LSA blower unit that GM contracted it from? Just curious.
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11-04-2016, 11:50 AM
#2566
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Yup had the noise, it was intermittent.. Didn't really shock me because I had heard about the noise at least a year before mine made the noise. So when I heard it I knew exactly what it was. And seriously, sounded just like marbles in a tin can...
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11-04-2016, 12:16 PM
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Great, thanks for the response.
That's the key, being aware, catching it early, getting it fixed. Well done.
Hate to keep hassling you; but, would GM have put out some kind of searchable numeric 'TSB' or something so the resident CTS-V owners, including yourself, that the rest of us live our lives vicariously through, hehe, would be able to find online?
rockstar143, apologies for the threadjack.
Hate to keep hassling you; but, would GM have put out some kind of searchable numeric 'TSB' or something so the resident CTS-V owners, including yourself, that the rest of us live our lives vicariously through, hehe, would be able to find online?
rockstar143, apologies for the threadjack.
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11-04-2016, 12:28 PM
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Great, thanks for the response.
That's the key, being aware, catching it early, getting it fixed. Well done.
Hate to keep hassling you; but, would GM have put out some kind of searchable numeric 'TSB' or something so the resident CTS-V owners, including yourself, that the rest of us live our lives vicariously through, hehe, would be able to find online?
That's the key, being aware, catching it early, getting it fixed. Well done.
Hate to keep hassling you; but, would GM have put out some kind of searchable numeric 'TSB' or something so the resident CTS-V owners, including yourself, that the rest of us live our lives vicariously through, hehe, would be able to find online?
TSB#15-06-01-003: Supercharger Noise - (Nov 4, 2015)
Subject: Supercharger Noise
Models: 2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V
2012-2014 Chevrolet Camaro
Equipped with 6.2L Engine (RPO LSA)
Attention: This Bulletin also applies to any of the above models that may be Export vehicles.
This Bulletin replaces PIP5192B. Please discard PIP5192B.
Condition
Some customers may comment on one or more of the following conditions:
2009-2014 Model Years
Customers may experience a rattling or knocking noise at mid-to-high mileage, especially prominent at idle.
Customers may experience a screeching noise at mid-to-high mileage, usually when cold but not exclusively.
2014 and Newer Model Years
Customers may experience a buzz noise (similar to a heat shield buzz) at a narrow RPM band somewhere between 700—1300 RPM. This noise may be referred to as launch buzz, accessory drive belt resonance.
All Model Years
A light to moderate rattling noise at idle that sounds like marbles in the supercharger, but goes away when engine speed is increased to about 1200 RPM, is normal. This noise does not indicate that there is any problem with the supercharger or that any parts are damaged.
Cause
This may be caused by contamination of the lubricating grease within the supercharger that may cause the bearing to make noise. If this condition exists, and is left unaddressed, the bearing may overheat and cause damage to the supercharger.
Correction
For vehicles that encounter the above concern, follow the correct procedure listed below.
2014 and Newer Model Years
Replace the supercharger front cover. Refer to Supercharger Front Cover Replacement in SI.
2009-2013 Cadillac CTS-V and Chevrolet Camaro (That Have Had A Service Replacement Supercharger Installed After November 2013)
Replace the supercharger front cover. Refer to Supercharger Front Cover Replacement in SI.
Manual Transmission Vehicles The Experience a Flutter or Rattle at Low RPMs
Replace the supercharger front cover. Refer to Supercharger Front Cover Replacement in SI.
Vehicles Built Prior to 2014 (That Have NOT Had A Service Replacement Supercharger Installed After November 2013)
Remove and replace the supercharger. Refer to Supercharger Removal and Supercharger Installation in SI.
Parts Information
Part Number - Description
12613457 - GASKET-CHRG AIR CLR HSG
12612467 - INSULATOR-CHRG AIR CLR LWR
19180613 - GASKET KIT, INT MANIF
12576549 - SEAL, THROT BODY
12670278 - SUPERCHARGER KIT
12670289 - COVER-SPCHG FRT (KIT)
12346290 (US)COOLANT, ENGINE
10953464 (CA)
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time
4068400
Supercharger Front Cover Replacement
Use Published Labor Operation Time
4068410
Supercharger and Gasket Replacement
rockstar143, apologies for Contributing to the threadjack.
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11-04-2016, 12:33 PM
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Love the detail, thanks again.
It even lists relevant part #'s.
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11-04-2016, 12:38 PM
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rockstar143, silly question.
If you have your polished wheels powder coated and after a while decide, wife and/or yourself, that a new tinge is in order. Would your ‘hookup’ have to media blast the old PC off and start anew to get the ‘suitest’ possible result or just sand them, which would be a PIA?
If you have your polished wheels powder coated and after a while decide, wife and/or yourself, that a new tinge is in order. Would your ‘hookup’ have to media blast the old PC off and start anew to get the ‘suitest’ possible result or just sand them, which would be a PIA?
11-04-2016, 12:39 PM
#2572
CTSV,TL, Audi Q7 & A5SB
Something else to keep in mind.. They will replace it as many times as needed, there are guys that have had it replaced 3 times.. So if you hear it again bring it back... I have a feeling I may be having it done again, a couple of weeks ago I could swear I heard a light rattle in the garage. Just going to keep an eye, or ear on it for now.
BTW I was wrong, first time I had it replaced it was at 3,393 miles..
BTW I was wrong, first time I had it replaced it was at 3,393 miles..
11-04-2016, 12:56 PM
#2573
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Something else to keep in mind.. They will replace it as many times as needed, there are guys that have had it replaced 3 times.. So if you hear it again bring it back... I have a feeling I may be having it done again, a couple of weeks ago I could swear I heard a light rattle in the garage. Just going to keep an eye, or ear on it for now.
BTW I was wrong, first time I had it replaced it was at 3,393 miles..
BTW I was wrong, first time I had it replaced it was at 3,393 miles..
Like using an upgraded/reengineered bearing and/or shaft? What could contaminate the grease that bad that would cause the bearing to overheat? It sounds a little lame for an excuse for, perhaps, a cut-rate imported bearing wearing prematurely? hmmm.
I guess it's cheaper, liability wise, to just replace and keep replacing them multiple times if and when the customer presents?
At least GM is taking care of you guys
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11-04-2016, 02:06 PM
#2574
I don't think it's the bearing...
it's the isolator shaft...and I think there was a design change so you "shouldn't" run into the issue again.
Can't recall if a solid isolator was the fix, or the problem.
No sir, powder only sticks to bare metal, so they'd have to be sandblasted again!
it's the isolator shaft...and I think there was a design change so you "shouldn't" run into the issue again.
Can't recall if a solid isolator was the fix, or the problem.
No sir, powder only sticks to bare metal, so they'd have to be sandblasted again!
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11-06-2016, 09:20 AM
#2578
Well, a little free time...
added some air to the leaking wheel.
Decided to check my supercharger lid cooling brick ends for collapse.
Glad to say, no collapse. Lots of oil collecting...and not shocking but when the dealership replaced the sc under warranty, they didn't put back in the plastic inserts that are to surround the 10MM bolts.
Not that I think there's an adverse effect to them not being there...just typical.
I don't have a inch/lb torque wrench so I hit with small impact and stopped before hammertime...then palmed a 1/4" ratchet to avoid gorilla snaps.
added some air to the leaking wheel.
Decided to check my supercharger lid cooling brick ends for collapse.
Glad to say, no collapse. Lots of oil collecting...and not shocking but when the dealership replaced the sc under warranty, they didn't put back in the plastic inserts that are to surround the 10MM bolts.
Not that I think there's an adverse effect to them not being there...just typical.
I don't have a inch/lb torque wrench so I hit with small impact and stopped before hammertime...then palmed a 1/4" ratchet to avoid gorilla snaps.
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11-06-2016, 11:28 AM
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I have to commend the attention to detail depicted in your pictures. They spark my critical thinking skills.
In the first two photos, could those two sides of the intercooler be reinforced with a shaped flat 1 or 2mm piece of aluminium to prevent any potential collapse? I guess the hardest part would be finding a competent aluminium welder, within the tri-county area, that could perform the task without burning a hole through in the process.
In addition, would you happen to know if that S/C'er is a 'self-contained' unit, oil wise, that does not need checking/changing?
Or is there a fill hole somewhere that the consumer can peek through/top off if the need be?
In the first two photos, could those two sides of the intercooler be reinforced with a shaped flat 1 or 2mm piece of aluminium to prevent any potential collapse? I guess the hardest part would be finding a competent aluminium welder, within the tri-county area, that could perform the task without burning a hole through in the process.
In addition, would you happen to know if that S/C'er is a 'self-contained' unit, oil wise, that does not need checking/changing?
Or is there a fill hole somewhere that the consumer can peek through/top off if the need be?
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11-06-2016, 11:53 AM
#2582
I think it's an oil-free unit...that's just oil from intake...which most people address with a catch can!
Yes, they sell reinforced ends for $50 if you send in yours...but I was excited to not have to have the down time!
Thanks, man...glad you like that I document everything!
Yes, they sell reinforced ends for $50 if you send in yours...but I was excited to not have to have the down time!
Thanks, man...glad you like that I document everything!
11-06-2016, 12:07 PM
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I think it's an oil-free unit...that's just oil from intake...which most people address with a catch can!
Yes, they sell reinforced ends for $50 if you send in yours...but I was excited to not have to have the down time!
Thanks, man...glad you like that I document everything!
Yes, they sell reinforced ends for $50 if you send in yours...but I was excited to not have to have the down time!
Thanks, man...glad you like that I document everything!
In regards to collapse, now I know what Majofo is talking about when he blows in like a hurricane and deposits his cryptic one line four to six word 'pearls of wisdom' and disappears like a specter, hehe.
11-06-2016, 05:34 PM
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Catch can. Ran one on my challenger. Run one on my Durango.
11-06-2016, 06:54 PM
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11-07-2016, 07:01 AM
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So, after powdercoating, I was contemplating if I'd be putting the continental on, or if I'd just keep the michelin on to squeeze the life out of them.
But alas...those fronts will probably last forever and I just read up on them and they get barely above average reviews and are an all season tire, not a performance summer.
Fuck it, gonna put the contis on and just hang onto the rears michelin's as a spare on the cracked wheel.
But alas...those fronts will probably last forever and I just read up on them and they get barely above average reviews and are an all season tire, not a performance summer.
Fuck it, gonna put the contis on and just hang onto the rears michelin's as a spare on the cracked wheel.
11-07-2016, 07:35 AM
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Get yourself an oil catch can immediately sir! Sarlaac actualy knows what he's talking about for once. 
The new powder coat wheels are going to be hawt, can't wait!!
The new powder coat wheels are going to be hawt, can't wait!!
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