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Subaru’s wildly successful SUV-inspired Outback has all but vanquished the conventional wagon from the company’s lineup, but Subaru is now previewing a new, nearly cladding-free station wagon on the horizon with this new Viziv Tourer concept car. Its size and proportions suggest that it’s a replacement for the Levorg, an Impreza-based wagon sold in other global markets that uses the same powertrain as the performance-oriented WRX. Unfortunately, that means that we aren’t likely to see anything of this nature in the United States, but we can dream.





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^ I would love an Audi Wagon. So sexy
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Indeed! If only the US got sexy Audi wagons.
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RS6 wagon!!!! or even S6 wagon!!
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Chick down the street has a modded Audi Wagon. It's worthy with her not even in it.
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RS6 wagon!!!! or even S6 wagon!!
I'd be happy with an S6 Avant. I mean the All-Road is an option but it takes some work to get it to sexy levels... and with those motor options, it's not worth it to me IMO...
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Yah i will be perfectly happy with a S6 wagon. I will just get the RS6 front bumper myself.
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^ I would love an Audi Wagon. So sexy
We tried to import but its impossible pretty much. A big seller for us. Had a few rides in it and honestly its perfect. Tons of room inside, more than other wagons.

Honestly I find it perfect...

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^ So hot

I'll admit I have been looking at the SQ5 as well. And yes, I've seen the Vossen galleries for them . Odd though... for some reason the VFS-1 wheels do not look as good on the SQ5 as they do on that RS6...

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Like the "Sqwive" huh? ^^ Just a tad too small for my tastes but not a bad vehicle.
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^ So hot

I'll admit I have been looking at the SQ5 as well. And yes, I've seen the Vossen galleries for them . Odd though... for some reason the VFS-1 wheels do not look as good on the SQ5 as they do on that RS6...
A pulley change and a tune and they are a beast.
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Like the "Sqwive" huh? ^^ Just a tad too small for my tastes but not a bad vehicle.
Yeah. I just need a little ute I can use for road trips. May as well get something that has some power as well

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A pulley change and a tune and they are a beast.
That's what I've been reading. Nothing GMP can't knock out for a couple grand

I really like the 11-14 Porsche Cayenne GTS as I was looking to avoid Turbos... but now I'm thinking I want a turbo. Plus the V6 will get better mileage than the V8...
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Well why dont you get the best of both world... a V8 Turbo???
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I'd be happy with A6 Avant with 3.0T engine..... Audi USA.. please bring more wagons!!!!

That looks incredible.
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^ DAYUM!

I bet that's firmly in "more than you can afford pal" territory though.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
Well why dont you get the best of both world... a V8 Turbo???
Been thinking about that as well but really trying to stay mid-$30k or so.

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I'd be happy with A6 Avant with 3.0T engine..... Audi USA.. please bring more wagons!!!!

That looks incredible.



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I knew that pic looked familiar! https://acurazine.com/forums/car-tal.../#post16145307
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^ DAYUM!

I bet that's firmly in "more than you can afford pal" territory though.
Yeah, this is more in my financial ballpark .... that is, if they ever decide to bring it to N. Am....

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I really like the 11-14 Porsche Cayenne GTS as I was looking to avoid Turbos... but now I'm thinking I want a turbo. Plus the V6 will get better mileage than the V8...
You and me both. Love the GTS styling and the fact it has a reliable V8 under the hood. I think next up will be adding an SUV to the family and everything you seem to be looking at is what I am considering to add in 2-3 years. Only other would be a 4Runner if I want to build something that is offroad capable as that is something I have never had and always wanted to do.
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You and me both. Love the GTS styling and the fact it has a reliable V8 under the hood. I think next up will be adding an SUV to the family and everything you seem to be looking at is what I am considering to add in 2-3 years. Only other would be a 4Runner if I want to build something that is offroad capable as that is something I have never had and always wanted to do.
We do trend similarly!

I would love another Vagon but between the beach and the mountains (more in the mountains to deal with mud and bumps), I think a small SUV will be a better fit. I mean how many cars have I purchased over the last 3 years as beach cruisers only to sell and use one of the trucks for trips? The FJ being lifted with wheels/tires is a loud ride for 3 hours and the Tundra is my business truck... so thinking a nice, small SUV will be a great road trip car... FJ is local DD, Tundra for work, M3 for fun.

So we'll see. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the SQ5 and the Cayenne GTS V8. Again, it will really come down to my tolerance for a turbo as well as bang for the buck (If I can get a 2016/2017 SQ5 for the price of a 2013 or 2014 GTS, I'd likely go newer). I love FI as far as performance goes, but thinking longer term. Honestly, both Porsche and Audi have a good history with turbos... but still... not something I've quite decided on yet. I have time anyway since it likely won't be until next year...
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If you want to travel far off the beaten path, you usually start with a big truck. Not so for Neil Markwardt, who’s slowly been making a 1985 Mercedes 300TD into the ultimate off-roading wagon. Here’s how he did it.

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Like other Buicks of late, the Regal TourX is a rebadged Opel, specifically an Insignia Country Tourer, a mid-sizer that’s been encircled by many square centimeters of black plastic and given an ever-so-slightly taller ride height. And like other Opels brought here, it attempts to straddle the crevasse between commodity car and luxury car. GM’s 2017 sale of Opel to the PSA Group included a provision for supplying Regals from its Rüsselsheim, Germany, factory, where U.S.-bound TourXs are fitted with a unique powertrain: GM’s corporate turbo 2.0-liter four paired with an Aisin-sourced eight-speed automatic. Otherwise, the biggest point of difference for the American model is the oversized tri-shield emblem in its grille.

As a lesson in globalization, the TourX couldn’t be more perfect. It does have that red, white, and blue badge and an American-built engine (one that can trace its genesis back more than two decades to a collaboration between Britain’s Lotus, Germany’s Opel, Sweden’s Saab, and, of course, the sometime owner of all the above, GM itself), but the TourX uses a Japanese transmission and is assembled in Germany by a subsidiary of a French company. Is this an automobile we’re describing or the opening ceremony of the Olympics?

Looking at the TourX is nearly such a spectacle. GM’s designers deserve kudos for penning this anti-crossover; even the overabundance of cladding can’t make this Euro-style wagon seem like anything but a car, and a handsome one at that. A single strip of brightwork extends from the A-pillar across the top of the windows and down along the edge of the D-pillar into the taillights, accentuating the long and low look. A deeply drawn character line through the lower doors breaks up the body side and lends a welcome dash of sportiness. Not everything is as it seems, however, as the dual exhaust outlets integrated into the rear bumper are fakes; the actual tailpipes are hidden underneath the car.

The TourX’s spec sheet is almost as attractive as its sheetmetal. Standard are 250 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque, struts up front and a five-link rear suspension, and an all-wheel-drive system that can vary left-right torque distribution across the rear axle. And the TourX swallows 74 cubic feet of gear with its rear seats folded flat, which is more than Mercedes’ E-class wagon can fit. All this comes at a starting price of just $29,995.

Our test car, a top-of-the-line TourX in Essence trim, was not nearly so inexpensive, though. Its base price is $35,995, and it is the only way to get leather seats, adaptive cruise control, or advanced safety features such as automatic emergency braking. Even adding Apple CarPlay and Android Auto capability means spending at least $33,595 for the mid-grade, cloth-upholstered Preferred trim, plus an extra $1870 to upgrade the touchscreen from seven inches to eight. A fully loaded TourX will top $42,000.

This still undercuts the starting price of clad-and-lifted would-be wagon competitors, such as Audi's A4 Allroad and Volvo's V60 Cross Country. But those aren’t really the Buick’s bogeys, and GM knows it. That’s why pricing on the TourX lines up neatly with six-cylinder Outback models. Both the Audi and the Volvo shame the Buick’s interior, where GM uses materials more on par with Subaru’s. Buick can hold its own on the pointy end of mainstream, but it’s still not ready to play in the premium part of the spectrum.

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This could well prove to be a missed opportunity for Buick, which only gets to launch the TourX—with all the accompanying budget and attention—once. Because for all the market success of the Outback, it is not that impressive as a mechanical package. While we welcome any new wagon, this one should have been more of a contender, especially given its good looks and roomy practicality. It seemed perfectly positioned to seduce some Outback intenders looking for more fun and polish, as well as some Allroad/Cross Country shoppers looking to spend less. As it stands, the TourX deserves only a finisher’s medal.
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i am having motion sickness just by looking at it.
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i am having motion sickness just by looking at it.
But its a FUN ride none the less. lol
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https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-jaguar-xf-sportbrake-s-is-the-best-kept-sleepe-1823955271


[...]

This Jag marks the fourth wagon that Jalopnik has had since the beginning of 2018. And though I didn’t get to drive the Mercedes-Benz E400 wagon that Patrick tested, I have drive enough similar Benzes to pretty much know how it operates.

And I’d wager that the Jaguar Sportbrake S is the best one of the four. Seriously.

Jag’s Way Or The Highway

The Jaguar XF Sportbrake S is the wagon version of the XF sedan. But unlike the sedan, which comes in a myriad of flavors and engine options, there is only one way you can get it: With a 3.0-liter supercharged V6 mated to a ZF eight-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive.

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It’s Fast And Fast Is Great

I would like to remark on the simple brilliance of taking an engine out of the V6 F-Type and sticking it into a wagon. It’s a great engine that needs to be in more cars anyway. Or lawnmowers. Motorcycles. Anything, really.

The resulting Sportbrake has 380 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque. Jaguar claims that a zero to 60 mph sprint happens in about five seconds. Personally, I don’t give a hoot about the numbers because I drove around all weekend without knowing them and I still loved the car regardless. I didn’t know the specifics; I just knew it was fast.

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Value And Verdict

The Jaguar Sportbrake S has an MSRP of $70,450. My test car, laden with features like a $3,000 technology package, a $3,500 driver assistance package and a $2,800 premium interior upgrade package, came out to a total of $84,245, which brings it into spitting distance of a Mercedes E-Class wagon. The one we just tested was $89,860.

Having been in current Mercedes-Benz models, I can solidly say that Mercedes has got luxury interiors locked the hell down. At the moment, no company this side of a Rolls-Royce or Bentley makes a better interior than a Mercedes. Not even Jaguar.

However! I think out of all the wagons currently being offered from Mercedes, BMW, Buick, Volkswagen, Subaru, Audi and Volvo, the Jaguar is perhaps the most fun to drive because of its unyielding and ferocious engine. It is a true sleeper car.

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Gonna help my boss to pick up a new Panamera Turbo again. Wanted to convince him to get the Wagon, but he said it is too "Family" looking... even tho he has 3 young kids

It is crazy expensive to lease compare to his 2013 Panamera Turbo...
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Too expensive. OK. But too "family" looking??!

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Sorry, the Roadmaster is too 'family' looking. Even an AMG Merc Estate is more family looking.
Panamera wagon is just
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He is the big boss.... not going to go too far convincing him.. whatever he likes.

Either way... the lease is about 1000 more a month than his 2013 Turbo... similarly equipped....
Even the 2018 has 17k higher MSRP.... but still 1000 more a month?
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