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Old 03-28-2020, 01:54 PM
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NA not having the Kia Optima wagon is just an injustice, IMO...

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Wow that Audi Kia wagon is beautiful.
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Is that pic of the Kia Optima wagon a concept or actual production model?
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Looks like a concept? Nice catch, I think.

I thought the roofline was way too low. But then your comment made me look closer. Tail lights look funky, door handles can't be production.
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Old 03-28-2020, 09:57 PM
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Looks like a concept? Nice catch, I think.

I thought the roofline was way too low. But then your comment made me look closer. Tail lights look funky, door handles can't be production.
I even went to the Korean website. Nada. some interesting looking SUVs, but no wagon.
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Autocar UK has the review of the Kia Optima wagon here: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...ma-sportswagon

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Really nice styling (production model). Judging from the spec sheet alone, seems under-powered? (180-205 hp for a car that weighs 4,500-5,000 lbs.)

https://www.car.info/en-se/kia/optim...19068646/specs



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How did they make a FWD midsize wagon 5,000 pounds??! That’s insane. Seriously, did they use cast iron?
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My math might be off (converting kgs to lbs) ... or my understanding of relevant terminology (curb weight vs gross weight).

"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.

EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!

In any case, here are the relevant numbers:



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IWHI.

And it'd be probably mistake for an Audi Optima Avant.

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VW Arteon Shooting Brake...

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Originally Posted by nanxun
My math might be off (converting kgs to lbs) ... or my understanding of relevant terminology (curb weight vs gross weight).

"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.

EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!

In any case, here are the relevant numbers:


WTF is kg? I only go by freedom units.

In all seriousness, metric system is so much simpler and better. I know it is basically impossible for us to switch over entirely - and that there are some things that are better with imperial - but overall, yeah...
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"freedom units"
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Has this pic been posted before? Pretty.

The Official Wagon/Avant Discussion Thread-batoork.jpg
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^ Wow, that's a nice wagon.
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Here's the write up:

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^ And the old school Munchen plate. Nice.
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RS6... :sigh:
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Wagon, Wagon, Shooting Brake.....
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Wagon, Wagon, Shooting Brake.....
Technically, I think a shooting brake only has two doors and a lift gate.
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I think I posted this in here before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake


Shooting-brake is a car body style which originated in the 1890s as a horse-drawn wagon used to transport shooting parties with their equipment and game.[1]

The first automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom. The vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders. The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s,[2][3][4][5][6] but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the latter term.

Since the 1960s, the term has evolved, describing cars combining elements of both station wagon and coupé body styles, both with or without reference to the historical usage for shooting parties.[7] During the 1960s and early 1970s, several high-end European manufacturers produced two-door shooting brake versions of their sports cars. Following a hiatus from the mid 1970s until the early 2010s, the shooting-brake body style reappeared with the 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS Shooting Brake and then the 2017 Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo.
MBZ bills the CLA/CLS as a Shooting Brake, whether that fits the actual definition
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If forced to choose, I'd take the bottom (Aston Martin?) over the top (Ferrari FF?) ....
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The crazy thing is if someone has enough money they can have some coach builder do that for them.
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You have to believe that with the extended roofline, the down force would lead to some great times at Nurburgring.
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Trio of Germans wagons...

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Originally Posted by charliemike
Technically, I think a shooting brake only has two doors and a lift gate.
I guess we don't talk about it often in this thread but I guess the BMW Z3 M Coupe should be considered a Shooting Brake then?

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^ I called it a breadbox when it came out. The sleeper unit was the M version. Fast as f___ but not a lot of love for it.
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The writeup.

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An old B3 2.7 Touring.......

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