The Official Wagon/Avant Discussion Thread
#4001
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#4002
Senior Moderator
NA not having the Kia Optima wagon is just an injustice, IMO...
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#4004
Race Director
Is that pic of the Kia Optima wagon a concept or actual production model?
#4005
Looks like a concept? Nice catch, I think.
I thought the roofline was way too low. But then your comment made me look closer. Tail lights look funky, door handles can't be production.
I thought the roofline was way too low. But then your comment made me look closer. Tail lights look funky, door handles can't be production.
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#4006
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
#4007
Senior Moderator
Autocar UK has the review of the Kia Optima wagon here: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...ma-sportswagon
#4008
Race Director
Really nice styling (production model). Judging from the spec sheet alone, seems under-powered? (180-205 hp for a car that weighs 4,500-5,000 lbs.)
https://www.car.info/en-se/kia/optim...19068646/specs
https://www.car.info/en-se/kia/optim...19068646/specs
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#4010
Race Director
My math might be off (converting kgs to lbs) ... or my understanding of relevant terminology (curb weight vs gross weight).
"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.
EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!
In any case, here are the relevant numbers:
"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.
EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!
In any case, here are the relevant numbers:
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charliemike (03-29-2020)
#4011
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IWHI.
And it'd be probably mistake for an Audi Optima Avant.
And it'd be probably mistake for an Audi Optima Avant.
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#4012
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#4013
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VW Arteon Shooting Brake...
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#4014
My math might be off (converting kgs to lbs) ... or my understanding of relevant terminology (curb weight vs gross weight).
"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.
EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!
In any case, here are the relevant numbers:
"curb weight" = ~3,400-4,100 lbs.
"gross weight" = ~4,500-5,000 lbs.
EDIT: Yeah, I think I (mistakenly) quoted "gross weight" instead of "curb weight" .... voops!
In any case, here are the relevant numbers:
In all seriousness, metric system is so much simpler and better. I know it is basically impossible for us to switch over entirely - and that there are some things that are better with imperial - but overall, yeah...
#4015
Race Director
"freedom units"
#4016
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#4017
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#4018
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Peugeot 508
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#4019
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^ Wow, that's a nice wagon.
#4021
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#4022
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
^ And the old school Munchen plate. Nice.
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#4023
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#4024
RS6... :sigh:
#4025
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Wagon, Wagon, Shooting Brake.....
#4027
Moderator
I think I posted this in here before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake
MBZ bills the CLA/CLS as a Shooting Brake, whether that fits the actual definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting-brake
Shooting-brake is a car body style which originated in the 1890s as a horse-drawn wagon used to transport shooting parties with their equipment and game.[1]
The first automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom. The vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders. The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s,[2][3][4][5][6] but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the latter term.
Since the 1960s, the term has evolved, describing cars combining elements of both station wagon and coupé body styles, both with or without reference to the historical usage for shooting parties.[7] During the 1960s and early 1970s, several high-end European manufacturers produced two-door shooting brake versions of their sports cars. Following a hiatus from the mid 1970s until the early 2010s, the shooting-brake body style reappeared with the 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS Shooting Brake and then the 2017 Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo.
The first automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom. The vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders. The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s,[2][3][4][5][6] but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the latter term.
Since the 1960s, the term has evolved, describing cars combining elements of both station wagon and coupé body styles, both with or without reference to the historical usage for shooting parties.[7] During the 1960s and early 1970s, several high-end European manufacturers produced two-door shooting brake versions of their sports cars. Following a hiatus from the mid 1970s until the early 2010s, the shooting-brake body style reappeared with the 2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS Shooting Brake and then the 2017 Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo.
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#4028
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#4029
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#4030
Race Director
If forced to choose, I'd take the bottom (Aston Martin?) over the top (Ferrari FF?) ....
#4031
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
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#4033
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
You have to believe that with the extended roofline, the down force would lead to some great times at Nurburgring.
#4034
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Trio of Germans wagons...
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#4036
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
^ I called it a breadbox when it came out. The sleeper unit was the M version. Fast as f___ but not a lot of love for it.
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Yumcha (03-31-2020)
#4037
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Skoda anyone?
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#4038
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
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