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Old 02-23-2020, 09:28 PM
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2017 Renault Megane GT Wagon. Not a bad bit of kit.

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Old 02-25-2020, 08:56 PM
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When I read the story and saw $40K I almost However, those are Aussie dollars, and that equaled ~$26K. Not too shabby for small wagon with some pep.

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We talk about the E63...here's the E53...IWHI all day...

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Old 02-26-2020, 10:07 AM
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Even an E400/450 is no slouch.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...isguised-suvs/


We've all heard the common refrain: the station wagon is all but completely dead in America, its place largely taken by crossovers and sport-utility vehicles. And we're not here to tell you otherwise: Jeep, for example, sold more Grand Cherokees alone last year in the United States than all the wagons combined. But if the station wagon does have a future in America, it's to pose as an SUV.

Over the course of 2019, ruggedized wagons outsold "conventional" wagons by a ratio of more than nine to one. Automakers typically differentiate these models by raising their ride height, adding lower-body cladding, and fitting all-wheel drive as standard, all in an effort to increase the wagon's appeal in a market hungry for sport-utes. And in relative terms, at least, it's working.
Last year, Subaru sold over 180,000 Outback wagons in the United States, Volkswagen more than 6200 Golf Alltrack, Buick over 5000 of its Regal TourX, Volvo over 2800 of its V60 and V90 Cross Country models, and Audi some 1300 A4 Allroads.

Meanwhile, Jaguar moved about 200 XF Sportbrake wagons, Volvo fewer than 1400 "standard" V60 and V90 wagons, and Mini 3565 copies of its Clubman. VW did better but still reached sales of fewer than 5000 Golf SportWagens.A BMW spokesman revealed to Car and Driver that less than 1 percent (or fewer than 500 units) of the 3-series models it sold here last year were Sports Wagon or slant-backed Gran Turismo versions. Mercedes-Benz and Porsche declined to break down their sales by body style, but, based on the industry average, we'd (charitably) estimate that sales of the E-class wagon and Panamera Sport Turismo amounted to little more than 8000 and 1300 units, respectively.

Add up those numbers, and the resulting picture is crystal clear. Of the approximately 216,000 wagons sold in America last year, ruggedized wagons accounted for more than 196,500, or nearly 91 percent of the total. The Outback, which remains Subaru's most popular model in the U.S., accounted for nearly 84 percent of the wagon market all by itself.

With less than 16 percent of that already small market left to be divided up by the other competing automakers, it should come as little surprise that Buick, Volkswagen, and BMW won't be offering their wagons here any longer.
Potentially more surprising is that brands including Volvo, Jaguar, Mercedes, Porsche, and Mini will continue fighting for their slice of that tiny pie. And Audi, whose Allroad wagon (a company spokesperson told C/D) accounted for about 5 percent of overall A4 sales here last year, is bringing two more wagons to the U.S. this year: the performance-focused RS6 Avant and, tellingly, the rugged A6 Allroad. If we were betting types, we know which one we'd wager will sell in greater numbers, however small those numbers may be.
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V60 CC sure am lovely.

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Old 02-29-2020, 04:13 PM
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I always enjoy CAR magazine...here's a nifty comparo of the BMW 520d vs. the Jaguar XF Wagon vs. the Volvo V90 and vs. the Audi A6 Avant...

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re..._xf_volvo_v90/
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Old 03-01-2020, 08:34 PM
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Yummy, is that a Starion wagon? Pretty rare.

EDIT: My bad. A Lancer Evo wagon.......




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Dodge Colt Station Wagon...

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Old 03-02-2020, 08:33 PM
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Nissan Stagea conversion to an "R34 Skyline" wagon



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^ That is one of my fave wagons. IWHI all day long.
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They can import those things, but we can't. Ugh.
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Alfa Romeo is making a wagon...this rendered Giula is absolutely tits.

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Originally Posted by mrmako


They can import those things, but we can't. Ugh.
Yeah, while not miles better, Canada does seem to get more wagons than down in the US. At least I've noticed that given cars like the C-Estate is available here.
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^ Hearse for the ...? And appropriately, in front of a cemetery.
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Old 03-02-2020, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Alfa Romeo is making a wagon...this rendered Giula is absolutely tits.
Wait...where's the story on this?? I thought they killed it.
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Wait...where's the story on this?? I thought they killed it.
My bad, M...I forgot the word, IF, in front of my post. IF Alfa made a wagon...

Sorry for getting your hopes up. @ me...
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Edit- actually, if this "crossover" like wagon can help push them more mainstream, I'm all for it.
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Edit- actually, if this "crossover" like wagon can help push them more mainstream, I'm all for it.
Agree. I think people in the USA need to stop with the super sized SUV thing. Of all things, a minivan (Ugh) has a lot more space/utility, but a wagon would serve 95% of these people.

But for the love of god, the companies have to stop with this plastic cladding bullshit in the wheel arches. Looks like shit.
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Agree. I think people in the USA need to stop with the super sized SUV thing. Of all things, a minivan (Ugh) has a lot more space/utility, but a wagon would serve 95% of these people.

But for the love of god, the companies have to stop with this plastic cladding bullshit in the wheel arches. Looks like shit.
But nothing sez “rugged off road vehicle!!!” like wheel arches lined with cheap plastic cladding....
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Also, can we have a wagon that doesn’t cost $50K?

Volvo is now probably the cheapest actual wagon now and that’s definitely a $50K vehicle with all the normal technology my CX-5 has.

We were going to buy an Alltrack but the mandatory sunroof and all the problems they have with water ingress ruled that out immediately.
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Old 03-04-2020, 11:58 AM
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Alltrack/GSW are probably the cheapest new.
Next would probably be leftover Regal TourX
Outback starts for less than the Euro wagons, I'd imagine.
Then Volvo, followed by the Mercs.

Not sure where new Audi wagons fall into this scale, probably above Volvo if I had to guess.
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Mansory's iteration of the RS6 Avant...

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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2

Alltrack/GSW are probably the cheapest new.
Next would probably be leftover Regal TourX
Outback starts for less than the Euro wagons, I'd imagine.
Then Volvo, followed by the Mercs.

Not sure where new Audi wagons fall into this scale, probably above Volvo if I had to guess.
The new Outback is basically a crossover at this point but good point. The Buick was promising but was too expensive for what it was once it had options I would have felt were mandatory.

The VW was really the biggest disappointment.
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Here's a shot of the rear...




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