The Official Nissan GT-R Discussion Thread
09-24-2008, 06:57 PM
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The Official Nissan GT-R Discussion Thread
I was driving home from work today and saw the new Nissan Skyline. What a nice looking car. I wish I had one of those right now 
These aren't the best pics but its something.
These aren't the best pics but its something.
09-24-2008, 07:47 PM
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That looks like Sandlake Blvd.
I still have yet to see one of those GT-Rs.
I still have yet to see one of those GT-Rs.
09-24-2008, 07:49 PM
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09-25-2008, 04:52 AM
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The GT-R really does come with more technology than you bargained for
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/24/f...-to-black-box/
No doubt this will become a GT-R flamefest but the bigger issue at hand is this whole black box deal. WTF? I didn't know cars actually came with them. Put them on Corollas and Civics instead of a GT-R ffs. What the hell happened to freedom and privacy? It does offer some promising advances in insurance claims (no more he said she said) but as an enthusiast I should be able to flog my car whenever the hell I want, without having to worry about repercussions with my insurance, during instances when I can't cause any harm. Whoops, I accidentally went 20 over the speed limit for a brief moment coming onto a freeway on-ramp..... result, the black box snitches on me to my insurance company and I get a nice ticket in the mail a week later.
I wonder how people will circumvent this once they find out its on their cars. Wasn't there some law in the 70s or 80s that required you to buckle your seat belt, otherwise you couldn't start your car or something like that? People started buckling their seat belts and sitting on top/in front of them
A Florida man named Scott Weires has canceled the order for his long-awaited Nissan GT-R. Why? It's not that he was disappointed in the car's performance credentials, far from it. The problem is that the GT-R is equipped with a 'black box', similar in theory to the kind found on airplanes to help determine what went wrong in case of an accident or breakdown. By the end of 2012, car buyers won't have a choice as to whether their new car is equipped with a 'black box,' or Electronic Data Recorder -- they will be federally mandated to carry one. These devices track information that could be useful to the manufacturer in determining exactly what is, or has been, going on with a car. There are a few worries, though, that warranty claims could be denied if the automaker, Nissan in this case, deems that the car was being raced or abused in some way or by police or lawyers to determine culpability. Nissan's GT-R carries an on-board recorder that keeps track of the past few day's worth of driving and cannot be disabled. In the case of Scott Weires, an attorney no less, that was enough to look elsewhere. Would it be for you?
I wonder how people will circumvent this once they find out its on their cars. Wasn't there some law in the 70s or 80s that required you to buckle your seat belt, otherwise you couldn't start your car or something like that? People started buckling their seat belts and sitting on top/in front of them
09-25-2008, 04:55 AM
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I believe the black box in the GTR isnt anything new newswise.
09-25-2008, 06:42 AM
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Maybe Nissan just screwed up by advertising their box? Most newer cars record this data before a crash.
09-25-2008, 06:46 AM
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Super Black Box
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/nis...her-black-box/
well, I guess there's is a little more robust. It's always recording. Man, the geeks gotta learn how to cut that thing out.
well, I guess there's is a little more robust. It's always recording. Man, the geeks gotta learn how to cut that thing out.
09-25-2008, 07:13 AM
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How I feel about this depends on how it is being used. I am for the black box if it is only to be used in the event of an accident by police and insurance companies to determine what happened in an accident and potential responsibility.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
09-25-2008, 08:35 AM
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09-25-2008, 08:36 AM
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I thought the ECU of most cars held information of top speeds and rpms and such that could be read if you had the right software? I didn't know until last week that onstar has a log of all your speeds (not sure how far it goes back) and everything going on in your car. If you have it and get pulled over, they can tell you exactly how fast you were going and if you weren't speeding it will hold up in court... they'll tell the officer right there your speed within the last mile!
09-25-2008, 09:07 AM
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How I feel about this depends on how it is being used. I am for the black box if it is only to be used in the event of an accident by police and insurance companies to determine what happened in an accident and potential responsibility.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
Interestingly, I was checking online insurance quotes, and one of the companies offered a discount if I was willing to help them gather " market data" or something along that lines- I think it was to install one of these black boxes.. Ugh- I am generally not breaking any laws but someone having the ability to look over my shoulder sends shivers down my spine
09-25-2008, 09:22 AM
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09-25-2008, 09:32 AM
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It's definitely going to be used against us. But if you don't break laws then hopefully it won't be a problem.
Speeding, aggressive braking, whatever ... We're still better off than the Brits though. At least for now.
Speeding, aggressive braking, whatever ... We're still better off than the Brits though. At least for now.
09-25-2008, 11:33 AM
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The part that kills me though is the denial of a warranty claim due to racing. Uhh, hello? What in the hell was the GT-R designed to do? I haven't heard of Nissan denying a claim yet just for racing but if they do that would be a big 
to them....
to them....
09-25-2008, 12:02 PM
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The issue here is not whether the GT-R has an event data recorder, but a continuous data monitor. Most cars have the EDR, and lawyers can easily get that information in any legal proceedings following an accident.
However, the issue with the continuous data monitor is that it constantly keeps data for several days, regardless of whether there is an incident or not. This permits Nissan to access such data on every service, and the fear is that Nissan will void the warranty if it discovers that the car was on a drag strip several days before, or if the car was driven at 90 mph at some point in the prior several days (regardless of where or under what conditions).
So what does the warranty language say about conditions that void it?
If the warranty says "driver must comply with all laws and regulations of the road," that is a huge hole for Nissan to void the warranty. Anyone who has not driven faster than 70 mph on a US highway/road before, let me know- you'll be the one of the few people whose warranties will not be at risk; everybody else...
However, the issue with the continuous data monitor is that it constantly keeps data for several days, regardless of whether there is an incident or not. This permits Nissan to access such data on every service, and the fear is that Nissan will void the warranty if it discovers that the car was on a drag strip several days before, or if the car was driven at 90 mph at some point in the prior several days (regardless of where or under what conditions).
So what does the warranty language say about conditions that void it?
If the warranty says "driver must comply with all laws and regulations of the road," that is a huge hole for Nissan to void the warranty. Anyone who has not driven faster than 70 mph on a US highway/road before, let me know- you'll be the one of the few people whose warranties will not be at risk; everybody else...
09-25-2008, 12:12 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that the death toll was really high in Japan the last few years because of street racing. When Nissan was planning on the release of the GT-R, Nissan made some sort of an agreement w/ aftermarket companies NOT to produce aftermarket parts for this car.
Rather than de-tune the GT-R, they just installed this black box instead that could detect whether or not the engine had been modified with an intake/exhaust, etc.
I guess the black box was just insurance so aftermarket companies held their end of the bargain.
Rather than de-tune the GT-R, they just installed this black box instead that could detect whether or not the engine had been modified with an intake/exhaust, etc.
I guess the black box was just insurance so aftermarket companies held their end of the bargain.
I want to see one of those thing go in person!
09-25-2008, 01:00 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that the death toll was really high in Japan the last few years because of street racing. When Nissan was planning on the release of the GT-R, Nissan made some sort of an agreement w/ aftermarket companies NOT to produce aftermarket parts for this car.
Rather than de-tune the GT-R, they just installed this black box instead that could detect whether or not the engine had been modified with an intake/exhaust, etc.
I guess the black box was just insurance so aftermarket companies held their end of the bargain.
Rather than de-tune the GT-R, they just installed this black box instead that could detect whether or not the engine had been modified with an intake/exhaust, etc.
I guess the black box was just insurance so aftermarket companies held their end of the bargain.
09-25-2008, 01:07 PM
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i don't know i used to get jacked up about the GT-R.
bottom line like this:
is it a nice car: Yes
does it put down wicked times:yes
is the whole "black box" thing bull shit: yes
it's EXTREMELY hard to mod a GT-R even if you change the wheels they gotta have a Nissan dealer reflash the ECU.
this is gonna end up either being a parade car or collector's car. the reason why you run it hard "it tells on you" at the dealership.
bottom line like this:
is it a nice car: Yes
does it put down wicked times:yes
is the whole "black box" thing bull shit: yes
it's EXTREMELY hard to mod a GT-R even if you change the wheels they gotta have a Nissan dealer reflash the ECU.
this is gonna end up either being a parade car or collector's car. the reason why you run it hard "it tells on you" at the dealership.