thegre8tone

Well, I think most of the users here would agree that both Honda/Acura and Nissan/Infiniti has good, if not great built quality (except for the auto tranny problem). However, from your previous posts, you somehow thinks that an Infiniti is an Nissan but an Acura is not an Honda, do you actually think that the same Joe Bob in Marysville in Ohio that's putting together an Accord isn't putting together your TL?

acuratlissh1t

I'd rather have a car whose tranny won't fail on me as I'm driving, causing me to wreck and cripple myself :devil:

PetesTL

I love my TL......and all you TL-bashers can go to H.E.L.L.! :devil: :thefinger

Thomwarn

I assume you're talking about the G35?

SilverBulletCLS

Umm this is funny....

No its at the end of the day with an Acura, you have a HONDA.

Thomwarn

SilverBulletCLS

Actually wrong. There is no Nissan car except the Nissan Z that is on the same platform. But none of them share the same parts except the Z frame, suspension, and drivetrain.

I35 / Maxima was...... But thats it.

TL shares Accord parts and frame.

SilverBulletCLS

Your dumb...very dumb

Glorified Nissan or Honda?

At least Nissan doesn't leave THE NISSAN on the glass of Infinities or parts as well like Honda has stamped all over the Acura panels, windows, etc. lol

Thomwarn

I assume you mean the G35?

PetesTL

.....Z-platform....who cares?......it's still uglier than the TL!

SilverBulletCLS

He is talking about the TL idiot. Tranny problems.....lol

G35 has no tranny issues.

Thomwarn

Your missing the point...I'd rather have Honda written all over my car knowing I have the Honda name.

SilverBulletCLS

Actually the Z is one hell of a sharp car, it makes the TL look like ASS.

SilverBulletCLS

Good for you, at least Nissans seem to last longer. See ALOT MORE DATSUNS/NISSANS DRIVING STILL than Hondas.

PetesTL

........really? Go to any G35 forum site and search "tranny problems"......you'll see a s.h.i.t-load. My TL tranny's solid and exceptional.

SilverBulletCLS

Oh? I dont' see any problems except a known 2nd gear syncro issue and thats normal on this car. Nothing bad about it. Nothing is wrong with the Auto trannys. Nothing. They are bullet proof.

Unlike 95% OF THE HONDAS with 5 speed trannys dropping like flies causing a big ass recall.

The new TL is failing as well. Just wait till yours does.

kelly408

are you kids done with this stupid pissing contest yet?

SilverBulletCLS

PetesTL

.......uh, I don't think so.......Honda/Acura has always been on TOP of Nissan/Infiniti in terms of reliability, qualilty and resale value....In Japan as well as in the US. BTW, you sure are having a good time eh making up all these bogus facts about the new TL........jelousy perhaps?

Thomwarn

JUST IN- CHECK THIS OUT. Infiniti 154 problems per 100 cars, Acura 102 per 100 cars.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/28/pf/a...rvey/index.htm

SilverBulletCLS

Resale Value yes, Reliability No, Quality is questionable.

What bogus facts? Nothing is bogus, when Nissan is rated higher than Honda in reliability and service! You seem to me making up alot of shit.

kelly408

ok, this post is either going to drive me nuts or drive me to sell my TL and get that sonata. :banghead:

moeronn

How about all you dumb-@$$e$ that can't have decent debate without resorting to name calling and pulling crap out of your @$$ wait a few weeks to see the next J.D. Powers IQS. Then you can all go out and buy a Hyundai.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...dspinninguturn

Almost Jake

After numerous test drives, here's what we liked and disliked about each:

Pros G35
- Exterior styling, especially the coupe
- Power and torque
- Cornering grip

Cons G35
- Interior styling
- Interior control feel/function
- Interior space
- Low-grade interior materials
- Stiff clutch
- Balky shifter
- Expensive once you add options
- Loud exhaust
- A little loud inside
- Insurance rates

Pros TL
- Exterior Styling
- Interior styling
- Interior space
- Quality feel of overall product
- Gas mileage
- Cornering grip with HP tires
- Silky smooth clutch and shifter
- Familiar control feel (I own Hondas)
- Value
- Standard options
- Insurance rates
- Very hushed interior
- Smooth ride

Cons TL
- Difficulty in buying one at a fair discount
- Using DVD-A format instead of Super Audio CD (sounds better)
- Smallish trunk

Overall I loved the G35, and planned to buy one...till I drove a TL, and then drove the G35 again. When we looked at the G35 for the second time, we looked at the interior, and the price with options, and it was downhill from there. In the end, we felt like the TL was worth the money, and the G35 wasn't. If they upgrade the G35 interior to something close to a $35K vehicle, the competition would be closer.

SilverBulletCLS

Here is the full detail report link..

http://www.jdpa.com/studies_jdpower/...ID=854&CatID=1

With graphs. Shows Infiniti higher than Acura. lol

SilverBulletCLS

Here is also reliability reports fro 2003. 2004 hasn't come out yet...But Infiniti is 2nd on the list below Lexus. Acura is 5th.

http://www.jdpa.com/studies_jdpower/...ID=749&CatID=1

TLGator

thegre8tone

Uh, speaking of bogus facts, where did you get this?

jjsC5

Okay, I've been hanging out on this forum for a couple of months now, and anyone who has been on it knows I have not said ONE bad thing about the TL. And I still am on record as saying I like the car.

But I am getting very annoyed at how the TL owners think the G35 sedan is downright ugly. And I admit the G35 - which I own, is not perfect. But I think it's about time we put this "ugly" thing into perspective. When the new TL came out, I read many opinions on forums and letters to magazines that the back of the car looks like a Pontiac that was rearended by a semi. Now that's not my opinion, but I think it's about time you guys got a taste of your own medicine here. Cause I really don't think those comments were meant to be a compliment.

KeithL

Hmm not based on my TL and Infiniti I35 and Maxima have been beating Acura Honda last few years in Consumers Reports Reliability ratings. The TL may "Feel" more substantive, but I still think the I-35 was assembled better!

KeithL

Thank the Civic not the TL!!

KeithL

From that article:
Invested in body integrity. David Champion of Consumer Reports says Hyundais now have far fewer squeaks, rattles and clanks after three to four years of ownership, ranking with the industry's best. Hyundai says cabins are quieter, brake noise has been reduced, and ride and handling scores are up because suspension tuning has produced stiffer, Japanese-like rides.

Maybe Acura should use them to fix the TL cabin?

PetesTL

......yeah but I still wouldn't be caught dead in a Hyundai.

GaleForce

Jesus who cares, I can't believe you're coming onto a TL boards to argue how your G35 is better. It is 100% subjective, and because of that no one on these boards is going to say the TL isn't as good... WE ALL OWN A TL. If you want to break your arm patting yourself in the back I recommend you do it on a Fresh Alloy, not here.

silverbishop

Sooooo...someone said that our car is ugly...WHO CARES...I like it and I do not like G35 (that's why I didn't buy it). End of story...whoever doesn't like TL do not buy it...there is a huge market out there...

D_Nyholm

This thread is really showing this boards maturity level!!!

Dkrudop

"Your car's ugly......is not.....is too........is not.......is too!" Sheesh.......grow up. I think I'll go climb into my quiet, smooth GREAT-LOOKING RRP TL and go for a ride while the children sit in front of their computers and argue! Didn't we buy these cars to DRIVE? :devil:

bill99gxe

I think the G35 would be great at initial quality, and then drop off a cliff once the interior is "broken in".



Just to give everyone here some perspective, you are arguing/discussing this with SilverBulletCLS, who has the following car purchasing history:

1) 1996 Maxima auto
2) 1998 Maxima manual (Wanted a 5-speed)
3) 1999 Trans Am manual (Wanted more power)
4) 2000 Maxima auto (Back to wanting reliability after LS1 motor issues)
5) 1991 Sentra SE-R (To be used for track purposes)
6) 2001 Sentra [To consolidate payments/save money along with buying 5)]
7) 2001 Maxima manual (In a few months, all kinds of money must have been saved; but denied warranty after racing)
x) 2002 Jetta 1.8T (Ordered but did not purchase after having manhood made fun of)
8) 2002 Acura CL-S auto (Cracuras ROCK!; blew tranny, couldn't fit 17" CRT in back seat)
x) 2002 Chevy Trailblazer (Returned after a day of ownership)
9) 2003 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro manual (minor accident, realized/perceived it was/would be unreliable, couldn't haul cargo, BLAH BLAH BLAH, traded)
10) 2003 Pathfinder LE 4x2 (July 2003, big accident shortly thereafter)
11) 2004 Infiniti G35 6spd


Countdown to 12) 2005 Acura TL 6 spd: < 7 months

VQ35DE

This thread is confrontational beyond reason. We're comparing the TL and G35S not an M5 vs E55 OR 911 GT3 vs 360 Modena.

Both the TL and G35S are mass-produced sedans and are more than likely stepping stones for us to reach the M5/E55 level. Buy the friggin thing(s), run it for 3-5 years, save some money (in the meantime) then upgrade when the time comes. They're not collector's items for goodness sakes!!

DARK6mt

iTrader: (1)

100%%%%%% AGREED!!!!

I don't know about you guys, but im 25 years old. This is my first "real" car, and I will be stepping up after 3 years or so.(hopefully)

Majority of people here probably wanted somthing like the BMW or AUDI or even MERCE....but didn't feel comfortable spending all that money....well one thing I know is that people like to "upgrade", not the other way around.

Drive and have fun, then Step it up to somthing better.

can't wait to join the bimmer forum.