The Honda/Acura Versus The World Debate
11-30-2011, 09:23 AM
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That is great news, the RWD electric motor concept fits in better with Honda's FWD centric drivetrain and allows a more efficient means to trasnfer power to RWD for handling and low-traction conditions.
11-30-2011, 09:23 AM
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I'm more interested in the new engines. Is this the end of the J?
11-30-2011, 12:18 PM
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2013 RL with DI, 266 ft-lb, 308 hp, and a electric rear diff! Please, please, please!!!
That should also greatly reduce the drivetrain losses we see in the SH-AWD. 22-30% 
11-30-2011, 12:24 PM
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11-30-2011, 12:25 PM
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11-30-2011, 01:29 PM
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Honda need something NEW. Not another recycled idea. A RWD Coupe with 350 HP would be sweet!
11-30-2011, 01:57 PM
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I don't feel as if 308 out of the 3.5 is going to lead to groundbreaking performance unless its in a very light weight vehicle. When the article mentioned Honda claiming V8 acceleration out of the new SH-AWD system what did you guys think. I can't fathom that being the case just by changing the AWD system.
11-30-2011, 01:58 PM
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From what Jeff Palmer of Temple of VTEC says, no. It's still the J series block with new cylinder heads. There is nothing wrong with the J series block either, it's remained very competitive, light and compact.
11-30-2011, 02:00 PM
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I don't feel as if 308 out of the 3.5 is going to lead to groundbreaking performance unless its in a very light weight vehicle. When the article mentioned Honda claiming V8 acceleration out of the new SH-AWD system what did you guys think. I can't fathom that being the case just by changing the AWD system.
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11-30-2011, 04:30 PM
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The current RL running the 3.7L with 300 hp, 270 ft-lb, and SH-AWD puts down 210-220 hp and 210 ft-lb at the wheels (depending on the dyno). With this, it runs a 6 sec 0-60. Cut the drive train loss in half, and that 6 s drops too. I don't know what the similar TL runs with its slightly lighter weight, but like Ken is mentioning, you will be putting all of this at the front wheels and powering the back with separate electric motors.
The R-spec and 550i run 0-60 in 4.8s. It would appear Acura could pull close to the lower 5's if done correctly.
The R-spec and 550i run 0-60 in 4.8s. It would appear Acura could pull close to the lower 5's if done correctly.
11-30-2011, 04:45 PM
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The current RL running the 3.7L with 300 hp, 270 ft-lb, and SH-AWD puts down 210-220 hp and 210 ft-lb at the wheels (depending on the dyno). With this, it runs a 6 sec 0-60. Cut the drive train loss in half, and that 6 s drops too. I don't know what the similar TL runs with its slightly lighter weight, but like Ken is mentioning, you will be putting all of this at the front wheels and powering the back with separate electric motors.
The R-spec and 550i run 0-60 in 4.8s. It would appear Acura could pull close to the lower 5's if done correctly.
The R-spec and 550i run 0-60 in 4.8s. It would appear Acura could pull close to the lower 5's if done correctly.
Hopefully it would be competitive against these cars, but given that much handling is the concentration, I think the engineers are calibrating behavior in and around an apex.
11-30-2011, 07:10 PM
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I think Acura knows that handling a corner is of much more real world use than 0-60, but how will Motor Trend approve if the 0-60 is lacking? 
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12-01-2011, 09:19 AM
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Well, maybe Acura isn't as out of touch as we thought they were. Or at least they are willing to admit it and change it. "After three years of concentrating on "efficient" designs such as the Insight, it was time to let go and provide a bit more visual excitement."
Now, while these particular statements are geared towards appearance and not performance, I think the latest developments show Honda's willingness to upgrade their drive trains to compete again, i.e. 7-speed dual clutch trannys. Honda seems to be aware of the funk they have created and want to change it. I can't imagine the people that have been working on the same Hondas that have captured our enthusiasm over the past decades all of a sudden "lost their soul". Here's to hoping these promises come to fruition. 
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/h...130-1o5ud.html
Originally Posted by Yoshinori Asahi, Creative Director of Honda's styling design development division
Honda will make a dramatic change. But of course, in terms of the mass production vehicle, it will take two or three years. Because, to begin with, we believe that we are an exciting company, so we want to actually demonstrate that. Frankly speaking, we think that in the past few years the cars have been a bit boring. Please wait for two or three years, and then we will be more exciting. We want to go from efficient to exciting. We'll give you the specific details when those models are released.
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/h...130-1o5ud.html
12-01-2011, 09:54 AM
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The very reason for drastic changes in direction is that people, magazines, and the automotive industry criticize Honda for not being Honda.
Its because people give an F about a great company that they at least try to change. Motor Trend, Road & Track, and Car and Driver used to 'biased' FOR Honda not against them.
I'm glad Honda is listening.
Its because people give an F about a great company that they at least try to change. Motor Trend, Road & Track, and Car and Driver used to 'biased' FOR Honda not against them.
I'm glad Honda is listening.
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12-01-2011, 11:06 AM
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Well, with each motorshow that passes and yet again with nothing truly 
-worthy in a good way...the impatient waiting continues.
-worthy in a good way...the impatient waiting continues.
12-01-2011, 03:44 PM
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12-01-2011, 10:21 PM
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^^^^
That would be a good start. I plan (weather willing) to be in Detroit for the auto show--I go almost every year.
As for Asahi-san's words a few posts above..... Honda admitting they got boring? Really? And they will bring exciting models in the next 2-3 years? Really? Prove it!
That would be a good start. I plan (weather willing) to be in Detroit for the auto show--I go almost every year.
As for Asahi-san's words a few posts above.....
Honda admitting they got boring? Really? And they will bring exciting models in the next 2-3 years? Really? Prove it!
12-02-2011, 07:24 AM
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Meh... If we get a new NSX, it'll apparently be a front-engine AWD hybrid... 
If they absolutely MUST put AWD and a hybrid drivetrain in their halo car, which the don't, I really hope they don't call it an NSX.
If they absolutely MUST put AWD and a hybrid drivetrain in their halo car, which the don't, I really hope they don't call it an NSX.
12-02-2011, 10:05 AM
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AWD or RWD doesn't matter if a sports car doesn't press the right buttons. Performance (in more traditional terms) and design are the key points you have to hit. Those purchases are based on emotion.
No one is thinking of fuel efficiency in that realm of car. If anything, it comes 3rd or 4rd down the list.
No one is thinking of fuel efficiency in that realm of car. If anything, it comes 3rd or 4rd down the list.
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12-02-2011, 11:46 AM
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12-02-2011, 01:45 PM
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The V8 ship has sailed IMO. There's no longer a need for one, but there is still a great need for a FI 6 cylinder IMO. Disappointed that no mention of FI was made at these recent announcements.
12-02-2011, 02:44 PM
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12-03-2011, 03:59 PM
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12-03-2011, 05:06 PM
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another thing that Honda hasn't done since the NSX was make a DOHC V6, what better way to "resurrect" themselves than to bring back a newer, more advanced version of the C-series.
Hondas have never been about torque. to me, they seem to be able to produce high-compression motors with the almighty VTEC and seem to make power where other resort to displacement.
so, in conclusion, new C-series with DOHC in a nice sexy exterior= new NSX FTMFW!
one last thing, if Honda does do such; please don't
make it $450,000 a la LFA.(normal people enjoy supercars too, not just the super rich)
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12-03-2011, 05:18 PM
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yeah...torque is boring and highly over rated.
12-03-2011, 05:31 PM
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^ I get the whole sarcasm thing, but I NEVER said that torque was "boring and highly overrated"
I said: "Hondas have never been about torque." which is a true statement, they haven't, nor will they probably ever be.
I said: "Hondas have never been about torque." which is a true statement, they haven't, nor will they probably ever be.
12-03-2011, 06:04 PM
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The one motor they ever tuned for torque was the 1st gen RL. It really did feel like a V8 from the 90's. Almost all of the power was from 0 to 3500 rpms.
12-03-2011, 10:47 PM
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Hey, a Honda/Acura equivalent to take on the GT-R is fine by my books as a start. I'd definitely take that even though it is a notch lower than what the NSX was first intended since they were aiming at Ferrari.
Still, I'd take anything right now that brings Honda/Acura back into the sportscar segment.
Still, I'd take anything right now that brings Honda/Acura back into the sportscar segment.
12-03-2011, 11:23 PM
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the last thing from honda that got my blood pumping:
rest in peace, sweet prince
rest in peace, sweet prince
12-04-2011, 12:39 AM
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