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Honestly it looks like the gtr sustained worse structural damage, especially considering the amount of mass and metal in that vs the CF and aluminum in the lambo 
. Im wondering if the 2 in the lambo didnt have belts on which lead to their deaths?
. Im wondering if the 2 in the lambo didnt have belts on which lead to their deaths?
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Perhaps it looks that way but there wasn't any cabin deformation.
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structurally the GTR looks like it sustained the crash better. the Lambo looks like it was run over by a tank. reports say everyone had seatbelts on. curious how fast they were going.
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The only thing they haven't figured out is a new way to re-engineer the exhaust to use even less parts to stop exhaust leaks that ignite when the car backfires.
Seriously speaking though, they have gotten much more reliable.
Seriously speaking though, they have gotten much more reliable.
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Not to the point where someone tries to use a photo that pops up once every couple months of an engine fire as a way to describe all the cars. 
They know exactly what causes it. The issue is developing parts that won't allow it to happen that also don't sacrifice what the company wants with the car. Remember, it's a hand built car with a lot of parts in the exhaust alone. Most cars don't run rich during gear changes like high performance cars, which in turn causes the backfire, & if there's an exhaust leak somewhere, there's the fire.
But, I'm sure the company will welcome you to tell them how to develop the cars' exhaust systems better than they can so that the engine fires never happen again.
They know exactly what causes it. The issue is developing parts that won't allow it to happen that also don't sacrifice what the company wants with the car. Remember, it's a hand built car with a lot of parts in the exhaust alone. Most cars don't run rich during gear changes like high performance cars, which in turn causes the backfire, & if there's an exhaust leak somewhere, there's the fire.
But, I'm sure the company will welcome you to tell them how to develop the cars' exhaust systems better than they can so that the engine fires never happen again.
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In commuter news, Chevy announced pricing and specs for the Chevy Cruze TD today in Chicago.
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
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In commuter news, Chevy announced pricing and specs for the Chevy Cruze TD today in Chicago.
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
I'm sure it'll do better, since a lot of ECO owners are reporting >42mpg, some up to almost 50.
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In commuter news, Chevy announced pricing and specs for the Chevy Cruze TD today in Chicago.
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
$25,695 + $810 destination for 148hp and 258lb-ft of torque from their B20 biodiesel accepting 2.0L turbodiesel. Supposed to get 42mpg. About the same as a Jetta. Comes with leather interior, an aero kit, and 2-years of complimentary maintenance.
Link at Autoblog
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I don't think they look too bad, definitely a huge improvement over the Cobalt.
They drive pretty well, too, aside from being a little slow. I thought about one, for the MPG, but the back seat is tiny & I have a 18 month old, putting a car seat back there would be tough.
They drive pretty well, too, aside from being a little slow. I thought about one, for the MPG, but the back seat is tiny & I have a 18 month old, putting a car seat back there would be tough.
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thanks for the info guys, I kind of assumed the other guy knew what he was talking about, based on past posts. guess not.
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Ferra...d-By-Glue.html
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Ferra...d-By-Glue.html
Ferrari 458 Fires Caused By Glue
Ferrari has finally admitted that at lest some of the Ferrari 458 Italia fires that we've seen lately are caused by a production issue. The Italian manufacturer has released a statement which says basically, that the Ferrari 458 fires are caused by glue. Apparently, the adhesive used to glue together the wheel arch lining and heat shield is not strong enough to withstand the heat generated when the car is powered up. At some point, that glue catches fire which sends the whole Ferrari 458 Italia up in smoke. At first, the glue melts down, and because of its location, it leaked over the exhausts. When it gets in contact with the hot exhaust system, it catches fire. The company has issued a recall on all Ferrari 458 Italia sold up until this point to fix the problem. Instead of glue, the company will use nuts and bolts to secure the heat shield and wheel arch lining. The conversion procedure requires around half a day. We guess its worth spending half a day on your brand new Ferrari 458 Italia so you won't make the headlines on YouTube anytime soon.
Ferrari has finally admitted that at lest some of the Ferrari 458 Italia fires that we've seen lately are caused by a production issue. The Italian manufacturer has released a statement which says basically, that the Ferrari 458 fires are caused by glue. Apparently, the adhesive used to glue together the wheel arch lining and heat shield is not strong enough to withstand the heat generated when the car is powered up. At some point, that glue catches fire which sends the whole Ferrari 458 Italia up in smoke. At first, the glue melts down, and because of its location, it leaked over the exhausts. When it gets in contact with the hot exhaust system, it catches fire. The company has issued a recall on all Ferrari 458 Italia sold up until this point to fix the problem. Instead of glue, the company will use nuts and bolts to secure the heat shield and wheel arch lining. The conversion procedure requires around half a day. We guess its worth spending half a day on your brand new Ferrari 458 Italia so you won't make the headlines on YouTube anytime soon.
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Yep, totally didn't know what I was talking about.
Exhaust backfires, it ignites.
The exhaust systems in these cars have been the cause of 90% of fires.
At first, the glue melts down, and because of its location, it leaked over the exhausts. When it gets in contact with the hot exhaust system, it catches fire.
The exhaust systems in these cars have been the cause of 90% of fires.
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Dude, I don't want to come off preachy (I do not mean it that way) - but don't try to be accurate 100% of the time - it's impossible. And, don't take it to heart when you're inaccurate. It's ok. Not the end of the world. Life is too short to worry about such trivial things.
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Dude, I don't want to come off preachy (I do not mean it that way) - but don't try to be accurate 100% of the time - it's impossible. And, don't take it to heart when you're inaccurate. It's ok. Not the end of the world. Life is too short to worry about such trivial things.
I may have been wrong about the glue (what I did post was related to the F430/Gallardo/Murcie. fires, though), but I was right that the exhausts were part of the issue, which they have always been.
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Anyone ever recharged their A/C or completely refilled it? I don't think mine was redone after the accident and I am taking a trip to Atlanta in it in April and figure that it might be a bit useful to have. Been reading conflicting things about whether I can do it or not online.
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That's probably a smidge high for that mileage. However, don't even think about buying this car until you've done your homework. It's a fantastic car to drive, but it's high maintenance. The SMG is very expensive to maintain and the engine needs to have been properly cared for. I'd spend some time here before you do anything: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...ng-discussion/
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you cant just move it though
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