crazyasiantl

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Same here.

My dad has a '13. It drives well, but it has massive blind spots. And I can't get last the three windshield wipers



As far as the Toyota vs Raptor debate, I'd get a TRD Pro 4Runner and call it a day. Yes, a Raptor is a true bad ass, but I would never use it to its potential. I think it's more of a niche

That being said, I wouldn't use a TRD Pro 4Runner to its full potential either, so carry on

Doom878

I like Raptors but hate the assholes who drive it up people's asses.

Yumcha

It'll buff out.

Yumcha

Seriously though...I'm sure the owner is BoostedJack-ish and owns an armada of uber-rare cars...but, why the eff would you let ANYONE drive your Ferrari esp. a valet?


Stupid stupid stupid.

Majofo

So.. C&D ran an article about the Hellcat and putting down the best 1/4. They matched the stockies (P Zeros - 275, ~$500), mid-range (Nitto NT555s - 275, ~$250), and slicks (Hoosier 28.0s on steel wheels, ~$350).

I don't have the article with me.. but they prepped the tires and did several runs. The Nitto's spanked that ass.. 2-3 tenths faster and trapped 5-6 mph more than both the P Zeros and Slicks.

Buying NT555s up before they jump in price. I had them on the TL.. good summer tire. Only okay in the wet.

srika

damn, why are they even putting P-Zero on there stock - pointless IMO seeing how those tires will be toast so quickly - you gotta put some cheap tires that perform well - cue the Nittos - drop the mic -

srika

If I got a Hellcat - first thing I would remove and sell the tires - and put some shitty Hankooks or something on there and go blazing haha

oonowindoo

with that much power and torque, i don't know how much can the stock rear axle/tranny last when you put "better" tires.

ttribe

Ask SSFTSX; he'll know. He's the resident expert on tire performance.

oonowindoo

good one.

Yumcha

Correct...if you take the RLX and upgrade those tires, fark...no car can stand its way. Not even the Poopdick McFartington.

Majofo

Majofo

The fucking point is the cheapies run better than the $$ in a straight line.

Majofo

How well will they run in a circle has yet to be determined..

srika

regarding breaking things due to too much traction, it's not like you would be running Mickey Thompson drags on the street - it could be a different story at the dragstrip tho -

srika

also remember the old adage.... "if you're not breaking things.... you aren't going fast enough"

Doom878

Get a gift card to test drive a Ford or Lincoln if you go to the NYC Auto Show

NYC Auto Show - $50 for Ford and $75 for Lincoln test drive Free FAR MM - Slickdeals.net

Majofo

Rick_TL-S

Not sure how many of ya'll are classic Japanese car enthusiasts, but a buddy introduced this site to me. They're all pre-90 cars to comply with the law, but all of them besides the GT-Rs have sold for under $20K.

Japanese Classics - 100% Legal Imported Japanese Cars

Have to have cash in hand & ready to buy though; cars sell very fast.

srika

wat.

Doom878

Pretty pricey but I'd love an R32. I wish I could've sold Japan my "classic" 88 Mercury Topaz.

Rick_TL-S

I guess I just have no knowledge of GT-Rs on the US market, but under $25K seems fair to me except that $20-25K seems to be the ballpark regardless of the condition.

The one for sale has 124,000 miles, & in good condition @ $22K. And they sold one for $23K that was near-mint condition, complete OEM refreshed engine & trans with a few rare aftermarket goodies. And another sold for $24K that had 68,000 miles but tuned to 660WHP in great condition.

Heart is still set on a C6Z, but a R32 would be very swaying if it weren't difficult to actually get the necessary financing/loan for one.

PortlandRL

Ken and I were discussing future classic cars that will be worth stupid money in 25+ years. I just realized this on Monday but if anybody wants to buy a BRZ or FR-S and put it away in stock form, it'll likely be worth stupid money in due time. Firstly, the car won't be around for much longer if my spidey senses prove correct and secondly, every single one around here is stanced, riced and otherwise modded almost to the point of being unrecognizable. I almost never see one stock unless it's still got temp tags.

Much like unmolested final-gen Supra Turbos go for WAY more than they did new thanks to all the Fast & Furious replicas with overnight parts from Japan, I believe a good clean stock BRZ will be a good bet as a future collectible.

Doom878

Yeah seriously when I think of BRZ I think of the word Buzz with all the modded ones with buzzy exhaust out there.

I wonder if the G8 GT will be a future rare classic. I liked it and it was rare and fast.

Aman

I think the BRZ/FR-S will be similar to a first-gen Miata. Great cars, but not rare enough (compared to a Supra, for example) to be worth anything for quite a long while. Anecdotal, but I would say about half I see here are modified, half appear stock.

I'm curious, why don't you think it'll be around long?

Doom878

FUUUUUU saw a Pagani in South Beach

Yumcha

Zonda or Huayra...?




And was it BoostedJack driving it?

Doom878

I was a little far away

So I googled Pagani Miami and the below came up. It had a strong resemblance. I remember it was colored similarly. Saw it briefly parked at a restaurant valet. I realize it's a stupidly rare version of the Zonda but I even checked with my friend and he thinks it looks similar.

Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster Spotted At Miami Dealership

Yumcha

Zonda...

When Gawd decided to create a car...he decided it would be the Pagani Zonda.

PortlandRL

Sales are tanking and though it was never meant to be high-volume, I think that'll be all the reason Toyota/Subaru needs to cut life support.

charliemike

Subaru has said it is building a Gen 2.

Rick_TL-S

I'm curious why unless it just can't compete with other similarly priced vehicles.

It was supposed to be the "240SX" of our generation & introduce a cheap, RWD back on the market for the enthusiasts who can't afford higher end cars. Maybe all the fuss since its release as just died, or said enthusiasts still can't afford it?

Doom878

My brother in law's brother has an 03 Cobra. Def gotta be on the list of insta classics. I was thinking also of Integra Type R, Civic Si (if ever found stock), Camaro SS of the late 90's, Corvette Grand Sport (blue and white).

SamDoe1

And S2000, BMW M coupe, and Pontiac G8 GXP 6MT.

charliemike

They don't look cool off the showroom floor. The wheels and Prius tires don't help. Even if the skinny rubber was intentional because it makes the car more enjoyable to drive, they don't look cool.

The changes that Subaru made the BRZ tS help a lot. But the BRZ is also expensive.

The BRZ/FRS has its charm but it gets lost in a sea of other good cars for that money. The new Miata, the GTI, and the Mustang are all good cars that cost between $20-30K. And that list doesn't include the Mini, the Camaro, the Challenger, the 500 Abarth, the Genesis coupe, etc ...

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

^you forgot the ILX.

SamDoe1

The BRZ tS is going to cost an arm and a leg. At least the JDM as fvck crowd should be willing to take that silly wing in exchange for a stock trunk lid plus cash.

oonowindoo

based on the price on a 10 years old S2000, i would say S2000 for sure.

Rick_TL-S

Car is close to 13-+years old as is. Only the Anniversary models (mainly '02s) are holding value & they're all <20,000 mile cars to begin with.

Average price right now is reportedly $10,000. Same as the turd gen. before it.

Aman

"Why Scion FR-S Sales Have Plunged: The Life and Times of an Ultra-Niche Product"

Scion FR-S Sales Decline: The Life of an Ultra-Niche Product ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

I think this point captures the essence of the article. Had no idea sales had gone down that much.

The cars mentioned in CM's post have some sort of appeal to the average consumer - drama, looks, or a base model to share some of the development costs. But the twins appeal only to driving enthusiasts.