I have heard the first year GTOs had tons of problems is this true? These cars totally tanked in value. I can get one with under 10k miles for around $19k on eBay.

About the same locally for under 20k miles.

Seems like the best performance bang for the buck out there right now as long as it isn't gonna die on me every 2 months.

So... what's the story?

 

Foolish to buy a American made car in IMHO. This includes my 2001 CL-S.

 

Its Australian made

But yes the '05 GTO is much better than the '04. Lots of subtle build improvements

 

What happened to getting a truck or a pathfinder??

 

who wants a pathfinder when you can have an LS1

 

Cause I can drive my pathfinder OVER your LS1

seriously, thought he needed the utility purposes of 4wd.

 

Foolsih statement there.

 

My old coworker had an 04 GTO and I don't think he had any issues, though he only kept it for a year...

 

Same deal here; a coworker of mine uses his 04 (which he bought new) as a daily driver and hasnt had a problem yet.

If it had a power sunroof and Navi, I'd consider it over a G35C.

 

I don't NEED it but I'd like it. I owned 2 Explorers before the CL-S.

From a performance standpoint though I didn't realize 350 horsepower was accessible at such a low price.

For example:

This one

and

this one

 

I say go for it. GTO's are badass- 2004 or not.

 

I do like the Pathfinder and if I got an SUV I would end up saving money in the long run because I wouldn't modify it but for $18,000 for a 2004 GTO with <20k miles seems like a damn good deal.

 

I have had no problems whatsoever with my 2004 gto.

 

I don't recall hearing any problems with the 2004 GTO. Just a lot of whining about the design.

 

I think a few owners may have reported some paint problems with the '04 but other than that they are solid. $19K may be bit much considering that new '04s were only $21.5 -23K a year ago. For ~ $17K though I don't think it can be beat. Besides, you wont have to pay the gas-guzzler tax if you buy it used.

 

The list of TSBs on the 2004 is quite extensive although no real major problems just quirky issues.

 

From what I remember, the CL-S had a pretty extensive list too.

If you can get a good deal; I say go w/ it.

 

But that doesn't help justify the GTO's list. I'm trying to avoid "CL-S like" problems (rattles, poor brakes, etc).

 

and 50 more HP.

 

It's a very good car. I'd prefer the 05 model, but for the $$, you can't beat a 04. It's a well made car that should last

 

And at least $5,000 more on the used car market.

Of course I'd rather have the '05+ but the '04 is such a great deal hard to justify the extra money for the new motor.

 

Yes, it's ghetto.

 

Ghetto?

 

Yep, Ghetto.

 

Good cars, I've seen used 05's for low 20's though, not only is the motor different, but the 04's had shit brakes and the suspension was also tightened up for the 05's, along w/ the LS2. Guys are dynoing around 340-350+ w/ the LS2's while the LS1's are under 300 for the most part.



Steve, I love this car, that said it's been to the dealer once for a broken reverse brake light mechanism and in that experience the dealer scratched the dash. I raised hell, they gave me a free oil change, and underfilled the car even after I told them they had, they said the car only required 5.5 quarts while it reguires 6.4. That said, i'll never go back to that dealer, and have found another that is excellent.


I can't get over how much I love this car, it's got more then enough power, the handling can use some work, but I already have some bushings on order, and have also already ordered a Short Shift kit. I'll do sway bars next. I won't be considering motor work for some time.

There isn't much out there that can tough the bang for the buck these days. The NA power is great, cruise around town in 5th and still has plenty of power to move around, unlike a few of the turbo cars I had test driven.

 

ignore adam, don't forget this is a guy who for a long time wanted LD1's on his CL-S

 

i lived in the ghetto at the time, i had an excuse.

you grew up in with Ryan, Marissa, Summer, & Seth... what's yours

 

Actually, I grew up w/ the Chang's, Wong's, Lee's, and Wang's. Hence the shit brown wheels on the old CL


Now that I live in white dominated Orange County I figured the GTO was the only way I could blend in w/o driving a truck w/ a 13" pre-runner lift


Had my first mullet wave yesterday, some dude in a vert Trans Am w/ a mullet and a Rusty Wallace sticker kept drooling on the GTO

 

Fair enough.

 

No problems with my 05 GTO.

Scott, what shift kit did you end up ordering? GMM?

 

What were the '04s selling for on average brand new?

I can't even find an '05 6MT for sale within 50 miles of me.

 

Nothing a Procharger won't fix. And I think I'd still be happy with ~290whp for quite some time.

 

I drove an 06 and wasnt THAT impressed.

Rather have a WRX or Legacy.

Sorry Scott.

 

I love the Legacy too but for the price I don't think I can beat the GTO.

 

Werd. I didnt hate the GTO and for 20k with 10,000 miles is a hit!

Go for it!

 

AD just picked up an 05 w/6k for 19.

According to March's R&T

0-60 in 5.1, 1/4 mile in 13.7. Not GTO numbers but not bad either. and practical. although the exterior styling could be better.

 

Woah... he only paid 19k?

I thought they were more along the lines of $22k+

Of I could get the LGT with a 5MT for less than $20k I'd say fuck the GTO.

 

Where are you guys getting this 19k?? It happened with the last thread too...

 

This one isn't a bad deal but I wanted to stay under $20k

 

maybe 19k before TTL?