You can act cool here but you're still a pedantic and oversensitive turd.

 

Whatever you say.

 

Oh shut the fuck up

 

i was (am) on vacation for 2 weeks and thought you would have gotten a new car by now.

 

True. But hey, with summer coming up, you never know if the better weather will have an affect on the driving experience and you may realize how much you enjoy it.

 

Very true. I mean, I like it ... I just don't like it enough if you know what I mean.

But it's a good car and I haven't had any issues with it so there's that!

 

"well in excess of 315hp" and AWD. In a Focus. Hatchback. Four door.



Just curious, what other cars are competitive at that price point for a new car?

 

The Golf R is $37K and is missing some features I would imagine are in the Focus RS that are in my Mustang.

But the number of sports cars in the $35-40k range are pretty limited and are all over the map.

$35k gets you a pretty base 228i, a Focus RS (we assume), a loaded Ecoboost Mustang, etc.

$40k gets you a 228i M-Sport, a loaded Golf R, a Mustang GT Premium, the Camaro 1LE ... Plus I think some sort of V8 Challenger, the 370Z ...

 

Drive it like a man!

 

I'm guessing the FoRS starts at ~$32k and top trim will be ~$35k. My thought is that they'll do the same as the STi and have two trim levels, one for people who want to strip it out and turn it into a race car and another for people who actually want to daily drive it.

I would say that the 228i doesn't compete with a Mustang or Camaro. It's a lot slower and smaller. The Golf R is a good competitor though...

$35k does get you a base Mustang GT. The Camaro is old, and looks every bit of it on the inside. Challenger is a boat. 370Z is ancient.

For the $35k-$40k price range for a sports car, the Mustang basically has the market cornered other than the Golf R.

 

I can't see the Focus RS going for $2k more than a Focus ST3 but who knows.

$32k for a Focus RS would be beyond a steal. Even if it had rollup windows and cloth seats

By the way, the 1LE Camaro is no joke. As a track car, it's arguably better than the Mustang GT Performance Pack.

 

Watch out for the upcoming Camaro in couple months! It's coming.

 

ST3 is $28k and change. So $4k more than an ST3 is reasonable for a car with ST2 levels of features ($8k more than ST2).

I don't think the RS is going to be as expensive as a Golf R or STi, I think that's their whole point. The motor isn't anything new for technology, the only thing unique is the AWD system.

 

Not to argue but the sticker on my ST3 with Navigation was about $30k.

If it's $32k, that's probably one of the best values I can think of in my lifetime.

 

I can already feel that the Focus RS is going to be as pricey as Golf R and STi.

The "only thing" unique is the AWD system, but that changes up the entire game of performance.

 

That and it's a different engine too. It's not like they put AWD on the 2.0T. Even at $37k for a Focus RS, there will be very little that could match it.

 

Yeah, Focus RS/Golf R/STi will all be a great buy.

I'm just glad that we are getting more options!

The STi will soon get a new engine. That should make it more interesting.

 

I just went to Ford's site and did a build for a 2015 ST. The ST3 package with sunroof was a hair under $29k. Maybe it all has to do with location? I have no idea. I had called dealers in my area to put a deposit down on an RS and one of them offered me a 2015 ST3 for $26500.

The engine is pretty much the same as the one in you Mustang, just a different turbo and calibration.

 

Sam, not arguing with you or saying you're wrong. I just feel $32K would be such a steal for the RS that Ford might be leaving money on the table at that price.

 

I need to redo my master bath ... The only thing that works as intended is the toilet (that I replaced).

That said, I can deal with this for a couple of years and then see where I am in my life. It is a nice car ...

 

I still can't believe it's totally normal to stomach a 30-40K car sticker price at this point. That seems insane, to me.

 

It does to me too but the options below that aren't all that appealing.

 

Given that Ford UK is putting this at 30k GBP base price, IMO we should see it right around there, maybe a bit more.

Me too but a Honda Accord EXL is $30k, it's hard to find things under that these days.

You can get a Focus Titanium up to $30k if you want to.

 

Well, I'm not saying I could settle for less, at this point...just sucks that we all accept that a $450/month payment and over 30K is the price we have to pay for the level car we've grown accustomed to.

Shoot...Mom's 90 Si was $10500 out the door, brand.spanking.new.

 

Agreed.

 

Technologically speaking, the 90 CRX was rather unsophisticated by comparison with modern cars.

The Focus RS in 1990 would have been a super car and over $100K.

 

yes...and my TL, in 1902, would have been a spaceship

 

I think that Focus RS is the most compelling car coming out in, I'm glad im still 3+ years away from my next car, as I would have alot of trouble justifying to myself paying 35k+ for a ford focus...

 

I can understand that. But when you're ready, I would encourage you to sit in a Focus ST/RS before coming to that conclusion. For $35k, the Focus RS is very likely to be the best performance car for the money. Probably for anything under $50k.

The materials in the Focus ST were great. I had no complaints. There were styling decisions and texture decisions that separate it from a VW GTI/Golf R but in terms of assembly, performance, quality, technology the RS is going to be the equal of just about anything out there that costs $35-40k.

It will have Recaros and leather and a 228i M-Sport will not. My Mustang has technologies in it for $35K that you'd need to spend between $45-50k on an Audi S3 to get.

Ford's not the only answer. But the decision to build a true world car at Ford has driven the North American division of Ford to step its game up. The difference between a 2011 Focus SEL and a 2015 Focus Titanium are night and day.

 

There is no doubt in my mind, that it is a fantastic car and they've certainly stepped their game up, tremendously. Actually, I think the automotive industry as a whole has made huge leaps and bounds.

In reference to my comment...I know it's all relative...people made way less money in the 90's compared to today.

I drove a Fiesta ST and that little fker had balls...I can imagine it's big brother.

 

Without getting into a political or economic debate, wages are generally flat (before inflation) since the 70s so I too am amazed that people can drop $40-50k on a car and not have it give them the sweats

 

Two big factors have impacted the sale of autos in that time period (since the 70s) - 1) Leases - Now people can "own" a car for three years, make a small payment, then give it back. People who actually want to buy that car, can do so at a reduced price with relatively few miles on them; and 2) Very low financing rates. You can get 0% of a ton of new cars these days. We've had artificially low interest rates for some time now, thus making these higher prices more affordable to finance.

 

Is that a lot? Freaking TLX base 4 banger starts at ~32k

 

rates are ridiculously low.. scored 1.75 on the recent purchase.. I was like..

 

To be honest, if you don't care about space, the Fiesta ST is the better car compared to the FoST. It's not faster but it's far more nimble and an absolute blast to throw it into corners and see what happens. The FoST, while an excellent car, isn't quite as fun as the little Fiesta. The FoRS is likely going to be a lot more nimble than the ST because of the AWD.

The Fiesta RS is going to be epic...

 

When i bought my TL i was going to pay cash, but there was .99% financing, so i took out the minimum loan for 24 months... I ended up paying it off over 12 months, paid less than $100 in interest LOL...

I don't like the idea of leasing, although it would work well with my new car itch that creeps up every couple of years...

 

No doubt...I guess, if I think back, I paid $23K for my RSX-S ten years ago...and although the allure is still there, the performance and all the cool shit that comes on the ST for only 10K more...yeah, I get it.

The lease thing...I have a good friend who uses that whole "depreciation I'm only borrowing this car" thing to his advantage...he's gotten some seriously cheap monthly payments on close to 50K cars.

Anyway...way off topic, so, sorry.

Saw an orange ecoboost convertible stang today (presumably, no 5.0 badging...)
I nutted.

 

0%?! Couldn't you just take out $50k, invest it in a 4 year CD and pay back the car + have some extra on top afterward? Granted you'd have to have another $50k on tap to pay off the car during the 4 years, but after you could just get your money back.

 

that's irresponsible because not YOLO approved...

 

Yes, that's the point.