ace mccloud

due to myself reading the matrix has u thread and going to www.300cforums.com along with edmunds i have came across this comparison three times i think it needs to be addressed. Over at edmunds it has over 400 posts about the TL vs 300c. but i beleave we will give a better comparison.

Tedanddenise

I still think the 300 looks like a refrigerator box.

Road Rage

I think it looks like a congenital moron with a severe overbite.

jdone

Pretty easy for me. If you're over 60yo go for the big Chrysler, under 60 TL all the way.

1SICKLEX

You guys have got to be kidding. THe 300C is hot. Incredible car for the price like the TL. RWD, AWD option, V-8, low 5s, big interior, wonderful, striking styling. Very American. Great car.

Road Rage

Have you driven one? The interior fit and finish are terrible - there are some very odd design elements, including the tail end's "eternal shadow" at the bottom of the trunk lid. The real-world MPG is terrible. It's got an engine, but it also has D-C quality.

Vanwall

The 300 is last generation E Class underneath. Not saying that's bad but all American? Not many vehicles are all Amrican anymore.

lookin4tl

styling wise... NASTY!! but you can't mess with that V8 and RWD!!!

dwcolt

The 300 is one hideous looking monstrosity. There is a reason that American makes are losing market share and it's this kind of crap that's to blame. And styling aside, QUALITY COUNTS.

Aegir

They are different classes of cars so can they really be compared? The 300c is a big, heavy sedan that should be compared to the likes of a Crown Vic or LeSabre. It does well in those comparisons, but it's not a sport sedan. I am not impressed by the 'feat of engineering' that put a $10K drivetrain in a $23K car. It would make a nice rental...

1SICKLEX

Have you seen the fit and finish is some TLs? The interior is not its strong suit but it is not that bad.
Most all cars have odd styling elements. Like A-C-U-R-A stamped like a tatoo on the front bumper. The The ES 330s giant headlights. What's your point?
Car and Driver had the TL/G35 and I think Maurader as the cars to compare it too. The price is the same and so are some of the demographics.
I do agree the 300C is not as sporty as the TL or G35.
Sigh, the 300C is selling like hotcakes. The 300C is not the kinda crap to blame at all.
Quality counts? You also bought the wrong car.

The 300C is a great car like the TL and G35 etc.

1SICKLEX

Sigh, the 300C is selling like hotcakes. The 300C is not the kinda crap to blame at all.
Quality counts? You also bought the wrong car.

1SICKLEX

Car and Driver had the TL/G35 and I think Maurader as the cars to compare it too. The price is the same and so are some of the demographics.
I do agree the 300C is not as sporty as the TL or G35.

brett

The first time I saw the 300 C, this is what I thought of:





The Green Hornet's Black Beauty was based on a 1966 Chrysler Imperial. Coincidence?

OK, why did the pictures disappear?

Anway, here are the links to the pictures:

http://mymodels.topcities.com/greenh...eauty66-11.jpg

http://mymodels.topcities.com/greenh...eauty66-12.jpg

Aegir

Is it really American? Clearly it was dredged from America's past, and perhaps appeals to some demographics, but that's not me today. I'm more sophisticated than that and I think most sport sedan buyers are too. I expect more than from a sports sedan than horsepower and acceleration. I do not think Chrysler will lure many buyers away from Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, BMW, Audi, etc., with the 300c.

Hal

All you need to say is "Chrysler"

That family of companies has more quality issues than the Enron HR department.

I'll pass!

MADCAT

When I first saw it in magazines...i said wow...when I see it in real life. I almost vomit. Me and my friends laugh at 300C owners. The TL, err..every Japanese car is far above these garbage cans on wheels. Looks are not everything.

Look at the computer enhanced image of the car.


and then look at the real thing. There is no shine to this car and I have seen plenty!
Whats worse is that people are saying it looks like a BENTLY. SAY WHAT????


Get a BRAIN CHECK!

Yeh the 300C is selling like hotcakes to people who don't have much sense. IE..people who buy SUV's...get my dirft???

xlilbluux

the car is made to put bling bling on it.

brett

The first time I saw a 300C, this is what I thought of:





The Green Hornet's Black Beauty was based on a 1966 Chrysler Imperial. Coincidence?

dwcolt

the Pinto sold well too.

ravi

looks slow

VS.
fast ready for take off look

enuff said

lovepo9e

300c in my opinion is a very ugly and cheap car, but to each his own. That is just my opinion.

dwcolt

Wow, I thought the 300C was fugly but seeing it face-to-face with the TL is unreal. Retro for the sake of retro pisses me off. That big honkin' grill simply looks ridiculous and I'm sure the used car market will agree me with me in a year or two. Look at the "new" Thunderbird that Ford rolled out a couple of years ago. Everyone had to have one and thy were all selling above MSRP. Now you can't give them away.

Tracer

A car needs to look mean, the TL looks mean... the 300C looks, well, like a bulldozer...

I pity the pedestrian who gets hit by the 300c .. not pretty.. not pretty at all...

Tracer

fathemi

Ah. . . fortunately, you'll never have to see the grill.

The only view of a 300C you'll get from a TL is the ass-end getting smaller and smaller as it pulls on you.

Yeah, I'm just here starting some shi*. I figured someone had to.

-fathemi

DWP

The 300 was designed from the wheels up as a consolation prize for guys who really want a Dodge Ram pickup, but whose wives won't let them get one.

Tedanddenise

Now I am really upset. No one agreed with my refrigerator box analogy.

Dkrudop

All I know is.......for some reason every time I see a 300c I expect to see guys in chalk stripe suits and fedoras with their tommy guns blazing out the windows.

Tracer

Here in LA, all i see is all that pony power in the 300C wasted... 100 year olds drive that car ... however, i don't think any him or herself respecting 20 or 30 something would want to be caught dead driving that thing....

Tracer

Road Rage

1sicklex: I can only compare what I have seen - my TL's fit and finish are fine. The TL will look good in 10 years - the 300C will look dated. Care to guess whether it will hold a fraction of its re-sale value in 5 years?

What's YOUR point?

NoRespect

I own a Chrysler product , 2001 jeep grand cherokee... 4 sets of rotors, a set every 10k mi. transmission problems (@20k mi) cam shaft position sensor failure in the middle of blue ridge mountains (with family) I need another Chrysler???? I liked the look personally, but first model year of a Chrysler? not on my dime

JJ4Short

Just 2 words

PT Cruiser...

people loved that stupid piece of shit, now whats the resell value? Who still drives them? Although the 300 is nice I bet in 5 years the value of it will drop badly. 99 TL's still sell for 14.5-16k, I would much rather invest my money into something I can resell later. Plus its better looking so NA NA NA NA

jjsC5

I spend WAY too much time on car forums, and have been on forums of many different cars. I have been on this forum for about six months (going back to when I had a G35). Even now that I have a TL, I have to say I'm almost embarassed by the blatant bias of this forum. I've never seen such a bunch of "if it isn't what I have it must be total crap" people in my life.

The quality of the 300C is unproven. Sure, some of you may have first hand knowledge of past Chrysler products. Does that mean Chrysler should just throw in the towel and go out of business because you think their cars are crap? I know serveral owners of Chrysler vechicles in the past few years who have been very happy with their quality.

Second - anybody who doesn't give Chrylser major credit for the 300C is just plain narrow minded. Here is a car that has 4 wheel independent supsension, the best engine available in any car at anywhere near its price, and offers features that are a great value. It has room for four comfortably, yet will run with many all out performance cars.

You don't have to like the looks of it - that's totally subjective, and you certainly have the right to like the TL better - that's okay. But to totally bash the car is really showing pure bias and at least a little ignorance.

Donte99TL

Couldn't have said it better myself.......

BuzzAldrin

You've got to be kidding me. This thing is a bigger road toad than the G35. I guess Chrysler needs something to appeal to the bluehairs trading in their Dodge Aries Ks. Yes, America, the pride is back!

missmyprelude

I actually like the looks of 300C (and yes, I actually think it sorta looks like a Bentley - call me crazy). Anyway, it has a muscular look to it that is almost completely oppposite the mainstream. Boxy when most others are rounded and others moving toward "edgy" (that's the newest thing). I can live without the retro interior stuff, but the exterior looks great to me. The engine? Well, I like the idea of having lots of power, and I like the V8; however, I hate the gas mileage that goes along with it. The handling? Well, I haven't driven one, but given it's size and setup, I'd guess it's decent for the big car that it is, but not world class.

However, the big thing for me (like a lot of others have already said) is the quality issues. Unfortunately, past performance is usually a pretty good indicator of current auto quality. Sure, most new models make incremental improvements over the previous, but even doing that, Daimler-Chrysler (even the MBs) have a long way to go to get to where a lot of the Japanese are at (Honda/Toyota especially). To me, quality, resale, and all that stuff that goes with it is close to the top of the list of features.

Someone mentioned fit and finish? The TL has perhaps the best fit and finish in any car I've been in (including several BMWs). Unless DM took tons of stuff out of the MB bag and then made it better, I doubt they could match it.

1SICKLEX

Goodness I have a 300C owner does not read this thread....

tigetech

To chime in on this thread, IMO, how can you compare a car that Chrysler has to offer incentives on to buy?? I mean its obviously not the "car" that is the first consideration!

NoRespect

You are correct, We shouldn't judge the car by past performance of Chrysler... You first... I'm a little gun shy now.

missmyprelude

I agree with most everything you said. However, I seriously doubt it will run with many all out performance cars anywhere except maybe in a straight line (and that depends on your definition of "all out performance cars"). It is heads and shoulders above its competition (assuming they are the big-ass sedans like the Crown Vic and the Grand Marquis), but that segment has been catering to the over 60 crowd for far too long, so they corner like pontoon boats. It will certainly run with the TLs and G35 (again, in a straight line), but I suspect that it would lose ground quickly if it needed to make any turns.

That being said, I'd be interested to see if we start seeing a lot of 300C "livery" vehicles - I think this would make a good fit.