2012 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T Limited

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-06-2012, 11:21 AM
  #81  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by Shoofin
We're talking about VW's here, not BMW. You're comparing a BMW with RFT tires to a VW with regular tires. Do you really think you know everything? Seriously?

BMW didn't change from 40 to 45 because you bent 3 wheels. They changed it for various reasons, mostly because of complaints of the harsh ride of the RFT tires. The new tires on the F model 3 series is a new generation of RFT's, and supposed to be so much better, you won't even realize that you're driving a car with RFT's.

My 18" Wheels and 225/40/18 tires on my GTI didn't have any superpowers that I never had a problem with them. Makes me wonder why I've had 3 of the 4 wheels on my Mini with RFT tires and 205/45/17 rubber replaced so many times.

Apples and Oranges, son.

Back on topic.
No it is not, boy. My car never had 18" RFT; my 2 sets of 225/40/18 were non RFT. And I remind you that at one instance, at the wheel shop, I was there talking with a GLI owner. *Must be a mere coincidence*.

It was a reply to OP who asked my opinion. If you don't agree, I don't care and mind your own business.

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...e-quality.html



Originally Posted by Insideline
Driving the GTI again this past weekend reminded me why so many people have different impressions of this car. I've spent most of my time driving the GTI in the city. In that environment, the suspension has always felt remarkable comfortable given its low-profile tires.

Get on a broken and rutted freeway like the 405 here in L.A. and it's a different story. More than once this weekend I felt like I was behind the wheel of a Nissan GT-R. At highway speeds, the GTI feels considerably less compliant. Those 40-series tires suddenly feel more like they look as every crack comes through to the interior.

Last edited by Saintor; 05-06-2012 at 11:26 AM.
Old 05-06-2012, 09:29 PM
  #82  
Senior Moderator
 
Shoofin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Brooklyn, NY USA
Age: 47
Posts: 17,085
Received 740 Likes on 309 Posts
So you're comparing your 40 series rubber on your non run-flat tires with BMW's choice of putting 45 series rubber on their newer cars that are run-flat tires. And the OP is contemplating getting a VW. But how big or small, how light or how heavy, how long or short the wheelbase, how tight or soft the suspension, none of that matters to how the car is going to ride? Do you really think that 40 series rubber rides the same on any car regardless of size? Generalizing will get you nowhere.

I'm done with this. Don't bother commenting because I won't reply, and I'm sure no one else cares to hear what you have to say either.

To the OP, don't be swayed by the tires that the car has. Most people don't buy a car because of the tires or wheels they have. And even if it would be an issue, there's always a simple solution. I'm sure you have experience with low profile tires and know what to expect. The GTI/GLI are both great cars, but if you needed a car NOW, I would say get the GTI. If you could wait for the '13, get the GLI. I personally like the GTI better regardless, mostly because of the hatch design and the fact that the interior quality is that much nicer in the GTI. VW skimped a little too much in the interior of the Jetta, IMO. I'm not sure if they improved on it with the GLI though.

Whatever you choose, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Good luck!

Last edited by Shoofin; 05-06-2012 at 09:49 PM.
Old 05-06-2012, 09:33 PM
  #83  
Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
CLtotheTL32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Charlotte
Age: 35
Posts: 36,677
Received 9,507 Likes on 6,176 Posts
Is this thread about tires or about OP getting a new car?

I've been running both 235/40/18 and 245/40/18 tires for over 3 years now on the same set of wheels and have never had a problem.
The following users liked this post:
Shoofin (05-06-2012)
Old 05-06-2012, 09:35 PM
  #84  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
Oh look, Saintor being a bitch again...SHOCKER!
The following 2 users liked this post by Sarlacc:
crazyasiantl (05-07-2012), PortlandRL (05-06-2012)
Old 05-06-2012, 09:37 PM
  #85  
Moderator
iTrader: (3)
 
CLtotheTL32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Charlotte
Age: 35
Posts: 36,677
Received 9,507 Likes on 6,176 Posts
Old 05-06-2012, 09:42 PM
  #86  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 39
Posts: 20,301
Received 2,603 Likes on 1,571 Posts
Seriously, just ignore him already. What the fuck.
Old 05-06-2012, 09:47 PM
  #87  
אני עומד עם ישראל
 
Hapa DC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Gatos, CA
Posts: 9,860
Received 810 Likes on 522 Posts
lol @ the direction this thread has gone.
Old 05-06-2012, 09:48 PM
  #88  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 39
Posts: 20,301
Received 2,603 Likes on 1,571 Posts
It's inevitable when ESP on.
Old 05-06-2012, 09:54 PM
  #89  
אני עומד עם ישראל
 
Hapa DC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Gatos, CA
Posts: 9,860
Received 810 Likes on 522 Posts
Doesn't make it very efficient now does it?
Old 05-06-2012, 09:58 PM
  #90  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
I think what we can all take away from this is that Saintor can't drive for shit. He probably thinks you're supposed to aim for potholes.
Old 05-06-2012, 10:21 PM
  #91  
Senior Moderator
 
Shoofin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Brooklyn, NY USA
Age: 47
Posts: 17,085
Received 740 Likes on 309 Posts
Stay on track, guys...
Old 05-06-2012, 10:53 PM
  #92  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
Originally Posted by Shoofin
Stay on track, guys...
I do thats why my 245/45/20s have never had a bent rim or a blow out
The following users liked this post:
CLtotheTL32 (05-07-2012)
Old 05-06-2012, 11:03 PM
  #93  
אני עומד עם ישראל
 
Hapa DC5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Gatos, CA
Posts: 9,860
Received 810 Likes on 522 Posts
I've ran 215/35/19s? on my ex's Prelude back in the day for years. That car was slammed with an OEM kit, no problems from me. Lived through SF and SJ potholes.
Old 05-06-2012, 11:05 PM
  #94  
Intermediate
 
kazmodo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 34
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JS + MS3
Yeah, I think he wanted something that is more mature or something like that.

Both 3 Series and G37 cost substantially more than Sonata. I was assuming his budget is under $30k.

The only Fusion I will ever buy is the Gillette Fusion.
The only fusion I will touch is Gillette fusion lol
Old 05-06-2012, 11:32 PM
  #95  
Senior Moderator
 
Shoofin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Brooklyn, NY USA
Age: 47
Posts: 17,085
Received 740 Likes on 309 Posts
Originally Posted by princelybug
I have a 2012 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T Limited, with all the options (floor mats, trunk mat, rear bumper applique). It currently has ~ 7,3xx miles on the odometer. I currently owe ~ $6K on it.

I'm thinking about switching it out. How much do you think I can get for this vehicle if I trade it in?
Does it have the Premium Package?

As a dealer, I would guesstimate low to mid 20's for it. I don't think I would pay more than $25k for it as a trade-in. For what your asking price is, after all incentives that Hyundai is pouring on a new 2012 model, it's very close to what you're asking. It wouldn't make any sense to me, logically speaking.

Hope that helps!
Old 05-06-2012, 11:48 PM
  #96  
LIST/RAMEN/WING MAHSTA 짱
Thread Starter
iTrader: (16)
 
princelybug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 22,454
Received 207 Likes on 158 Posts
^
Thanks! Yes, I do have the Premium Package. My Sonata is the most expensive you can make it from the factory. I'm really hoping for $26K-$27K, but that might be overly optimistic. If I can't get that much, I'm left to negotiate the OTD price of a 2013 GLI.

Again, who knows someone who can swing a good deal?
Old 05-07-2012, 12:22 AM
  #97  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 39
Posts: 20,301
Received 2,603 Likes on 1,571 Posts
http://www.truecar.com/prices-new/vo...2012/CDEC1CA0/

According to this, not much great deals to be had.
Old 05-07-2012, 12:27 AM
  #98  
LIST/RAMEN/WING MAHSTA 짱
Thread Starter
iTrader: (16)
 
princelybug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 22,454
Received 207 Likes on 158 Posts
...and I'm sure the 2013 will have a price hike of at least a couple hundred $$.
Old 05-07-2012, 04:26 PM
  #99  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by Shoofin
So you're comparing your 40 series rubber on your non run-flat tires with BMW's choice of putting 45 series rubber on their newer cars that are run-flat tires. And the OP is contemplating getting a VW. But how big or small, how light or how heavy, how long or short the wheelbase, how tight or soft the suspension, none of that matters to how the car is going to ride? Do you really think that 40 series rubber rides the same on any car regardless of size? Generalizing will get you nowhere.

I'm done with this. Don't bother commenting because I won't reply, and I'm sure no one else cares to hear what you have to say either.

To the OP, don't be swayed by the tires that the car has.
Yes he should. The article I linked supports my point extremely well and it is about a GTI. My car rides very good on the winter wheels 225/45/17 but were terrible with 225/40/18, 2 different sets of them. Tires were the clearly issue, specially the size. My repair costs associated to these low profile tires is up to to 2000$ (3 wheels fix @ 88$, 1 tire @ 250$, 856$ of front struts changed prematurely, not taking of many lost hours taking care of the problems).

But hey if you want to take the risk, it is your money. Be prepared for an unpleasant experience.

Last edited by Saintor; 05-07-2012 at 04:32 PM.
Old 05-07-2012, 04:32 PM
  #100  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by Sarlacc
I think what we can all take away from this is that Saintor can't drive for shit. He probably thinks you're supposed to aim for potholes.

Trolling *again* ?

BTW, 245/45/20 has a much higher tire height than 225/45 so you are not even talking the same thing.

Last edited by Saintor; 05-07-2012 at 04:41 PM.
Old 05-07-2012, 04:57 PM
  #101  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
Originally Posted by Saintor
Trolling *again* ?

BTW, 245/45/20 has a much higher tire height than 225/45 so you are not even talking the same thing.
I'm not the one who the conversation from a hyundai to tires on a bimmer.

And Im still running larger rims which can be prone to just as much damage as even with more sidewall...but its cool, because you know, when I see a pothole I avoid it...if I hit a bad patch of pavement, I slow down.

Its called driving...learn it.
Old 05-07-2012, 05:32 PM
  #102  
Community Architect
robb m.
 
astro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: ON
Age: 48
Posts: 72,801
Received 633 Likes on 281 Posts
Originally Posted by Shoofin
Don't bother commenting because I won't reply, and I'm sure no one else cares to hear what you have to say either.
Eddie. If that's your attitude, and how you choose to speak to our members, it's disappointing. Regardless of how you personally feel about someone, to speak out in such a manner as a representative of the site, makes us all look poorly.
Old 05-07-2012, 05:33 PM
  #103  
Community Architect
robb m.
 
astro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: ON
Age: 48
Posts: 72,801
Received 633 Likes on 281 Posts
Originally Posted by Sarlacc
Oh look, Saintor being a bitch again...SHOCKER!
Funny, that's not the impression I have.

If you don't like someone's comments, ignore, and don't reply to them.

:smitler:
Old 05-07-2012, 05:42 PM
  #104  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 39
Posts: 20,301
Received 2,603 Likes on 1,571 Posts
I think I said this three times in this single thread alone.

JUST IGNORE HIM.

He won't listen.

He will just pew pew whatever he wants to say and believe whatever he says are the correct answer.

Just don't reply to him.

Hate to see so many threads getting destroyed by a single member. This shit happens every now and then. It died down when we started to completely ignore those people.
Old 05-07-2012, 05:43 PM
  #105  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,310
Received 5,934 Likes on 2,927 Posts
Originally Posted by astro
Eddie. If that's your attitude, and how you choose to speak to our members, it's disappointing. Regardless of how you personally feel about someone, to speak out in such a manner as a representative of the site, makes us all look poorly.
What the...? This is twice now in the last couple of weeks Astro has jumped in out of nowhere to publicly criticize a mod over his reaction to one of our more notorious problem-posters. First it was V-TEC down in "Automotive News", now it's this. Makes me wonder if Astro actually keeps track of the behavior of certain habitual offenders, or simply reacts to the occasional whining complaint sent to him by one of these guys.

Honestly, Astro, airing your dirty laundry like this, when you should be handling these discussions away from the general board population, reflects more poorly on the board leadership than does one mod reacting to a habitually insulting troll.

Last edited by ttribe; 05-07-2012 at 05:47 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by ttribe:
Costco (05-07-2012), JS + XES (05-07-2012)
Old 05-07-2012, 05:44 PM
  #106  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by JS + MS3
I think I said this three times in this single thread alone.

JUST IGNORE HIM.

He won't listen.

He will just pew pew whatever he wants to say and believe whatever he says are the correct answer.

Just don't reply to him.
JS + MS3, you are the 2nd harasser that I reported to Acurazine management and mods. You are the first to break your "rule", your post #62 in this thread as evidence. I suggest that you play *low profile*.

Last edited by Saintor; 05-07-2012 at 05:48 PM.
Old 05-07-2012, 06:18 PM
  #107  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
Originally Posted by astro
Funny, that's not the impression I have.

If you don't like someone's comments, ignore, and don't reply to them.

:smitler:
Yes, the old adage is true...but robb....go back through this douche's history, he is nothing but a trouble maker and a dude who pisses in the wind. He calls us all trolls, the guys is one of the biggest ones here.

And the sandy vagina just HAD to PM me to tell me he "opened" a case with you.

but you're the boss...and yeah, we shouldn't feed the trolls.
Old 05-07-2012, 06:19 PM
  #108  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
Originally Posted by Saintor
I suggest that you play *low profile*.
Oh so now you're the new boss around here
Old 05-07-2012, 06:25 PM
  #109  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Astro, now you can see how it typically starts. I was exchanging correctly with the OP and then you can see the 'uncalled for' interference.

BTW, I copy here the text of the guy who just contacted me and suggested me to take the proper steps;

Originally Posted by XXXXX
Hi. I'm just curious if you've bothered to complain about the shit in the tread about the new car you bought for your kids. The guys in that thread are the same guys that always start shit on this forum and it's going to continue unless people speak up (I already have). Though I wouldn't suggest complaining to the moderators (they are worthless), ASTRO is the guy to forward your complaints to if you every have any.
Sorry OP, back on topic now.
Old 05-07-2012, 06:30 PM
  #110  
The sizzle in the Steak
 
Moog-Type-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Southern California
Posts: 71,436
Received 1,877 Likes on 1,297 Posts
Wow....just plain wow....thread goes off the rails on purpose ala ramblings style ....and that is now "ok" in cartalk?

Bizzaro world indeed.

Trolls win
Old 05-07-2012, 06:42 PM
  #111  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,310
Received 5,934 Likes on 2,927 Posts
Originally Posted by Saintor
Astro, now you can see how it typically starts. I was exchanging correctly with the OP and then you can see the 'uncalled for' interference.

BTW, I copy here the text of the guy who just contacted me and suggested me to take the proper steps;



Sorry OP, back on topic now.
Now we're posting PM's in the public fora? Oh boy. This is out of control.
Old 05-07-2012, 06:47 PM
  #112  
The Third Ball
 
Sarlacc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Age: 45
Posts: 49,317
Received 4,967 Likes on 2,645 Posts
This is the troll just trying to act innocent like he suddenly has a halo on.

Brief search easily shows he no different than the madcats and others of the past.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:04 PM
  #113  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by ttribe
Now we're posting PM's in the public fora? Oh boy. This is out of control.
Actually, I have been around since 2001 and recently, it is clear that THIS section of the forums is out of control (because of always a few harassers who can't control themselves) and deserves better. The PM I got are from fed up people who constated the same thing (see above). BTW, i you choose to attack an Acurazine "communauty architect" who has rightly some concerns about public image of the site, that is just another evidence of it. You should know better and certainly shouldn't add oil to fire.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:13 PM
  #114  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,310
Received 5,934 Likes on 2,927 Posts
Originally Posted by Saintor
Actually, I have been around since 2001 and recently, it is clear that THIS section of the forums is out of control (because of always a few harassers who can't control themselves) and deserves better. The PM I got are from fed up people who constated the same thing (see above). BTW, i you choose to attack an Acurazine "communauty architect" who has rightly some concerns about public image of the site, that is just another evidence of it. You should know better and certainly shouldn't add oil to fire.
The day you are an admin on this board is the day you get to tell me what I should and shouldn't do with respect to commenting on the adminstration of the board's activities. I didn't "attack" Astro; I commented on what I saw as an inappropriate use of his authority. As a member of the board (read "customer" here), I feel I am well within in my rights to do so. Should Astro feel otherwise, he is certainly capable of taking action, without your help or suggestion.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:17 PM
  #115  
In the Mid-South meow
iTrader: (2)
 
SuperTrooper169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Music City
Age: 47
Posts: 10,799
Received 2,151 Likes on 1,097 Posts
Old 05-07-2012, 07:20 PM
  #116  
Race Director
iTrader: (7)
 
crazyasiantl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Clovis CA
Age: 36
Posts: 12,594
Received 596 Likes on 430 Posts
Old 05-07-2012, 07:22 PM
  #117  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 57
Posts: 2,905
Received 124 Likes on 104 Posts
Originally Posted by ttribe
TI didn't "attack" Astro; I commented on what I saw as an inappropriate use of his authority.
Yes you did. Otherwise, you would have done it *privately*.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:28 PM
  #118  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,310
Received 5,934 Likes on 2,927 Posts
Originally Posted by Saintor
Yes you did. Otherwise, you would have done it *privately*.
I'm sorry, but it seems we have a difference of opinon on what constitutes an "attack." The concept of an "attack" is not a function of "private" versus "public." It is a matter of content of the message. I could just as easily have "attacked" Astro via PM as I could on the public board. Since I did neither, the point is moot.

Nevertheless, to further belabor the point, I was certainly critical of his actions. However, at no point, did I make an attack on his person. Nor did I engage in superfluous ad hominems to feed my ego. Finally, I refrained from expletives, crass metaphores, and insults of his intelligence. All of those actions are ones I've seen exhibited by you (aimed at various posters, including me) in the last week alone.

Beam and Mote, Saintor. Give it some thought.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:31 PM
  #119  
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
 
JS + XES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Socal
Age: 39
Posts: 20,301
Received 2,603 Likes on 1,571 Posts
This is pretty damn pathetic. I think this is actually my first time being disappointed at AZine.

We need a dislike button system, so we can publicly sort out the trolls.

If someone is getting certain number of dislikes within certain period of time, those trolls need to be banned for certain amount of period.
Old 05-07-2012, 07:38 PM
  #120  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,310
Received 5,934 Likes on 2,927 Posts
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Trolls win
This is the crux of the matter, IMO. Twice in the last 10 days I've seen situations where a habitual offender went running to admin to complain and received undeserved support. This pattern is very disturbing.

Originally Posted by JS + MS3
I think this is actually my first time being disappointed at AZine.
This.


Quick Reply: 2012 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T Limited



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:24 PM.