2012 GT-R goes 0-60 mph in 2.7 seconds!?!
#41
Suzuka Master
edit: i'm talking about driving on a track, not turning the stability or traction control off
#43
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#45
I've been in an 08 GTR and my god, that was fast. It hits you out of nowhere.
#46
Suzuka Master
well i guess they have no clue if you used it at a track
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I guess I never knew they put it in fine print.
but like the gtr first came out. If you used the launch control, and later your transmission goes out. Nissan knows you used launch control, so your warranty is voided.
#47
All GTR owners that have LC1 used before and were afraid that the tranny did not have any warranty because of turning VDC off and doing a LC1 will have their warranties re-setted for 5yr or 60k miles if they upgrade to LC2. All LC1 will be forgotten and the tranny will be fully covered by NISSAN. After LC2 being installed, all LC2 with VDC on will be fully covered by NISSAN. If you turn VDC off today , do your thing ( drag/road course/etc) and the tranny goes bad at that moment, the warranty will not hold, BUT if the problem arises some time later after turning VDC off back on and driving the car without any issues then the tranny will be covered 100%. If not NISSAN WILL HAVE TO PROVE that turning VDC OFF a week or a month prior the damage was the cause of failure. THEY WILL NEED TO PROVE IT , not like before that they just saw the BB data and said it was not covered.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=33578
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I've always liked the GT-R.
At under $100k, it's a supercar I can aspire too. It's not the ONLY one, but it is one of the few.
At under $100k, it's a supercar I can aspire too. It's not the ONLY one, but it is one of the few.
#49
Punk Rocker
Seems like Nissan has finally corrected its stupidity in regards to the LC warrranty fiasco. Limiting it to 4 uses before a 1.5 mile "cool-down" seems perfectly reasonable to me. I guess the GT-R haters have just lost one of their major critisms for this car (of course they can always fall back on how ugly it is)....
I still find it funny that all the Porsche "purists" say how much better the 911 is than the GT-R, yet most of the laptimes I've seen have the Nissan quicker than the 911 turbo/GT3 RS:
C&D Lightning Lap
....
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
--------------
TG Power Laps:
Nissan GT-R - 1:19.5
Porsche Carrera GT - 1:19.8
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:22.2
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:22.3
Certainly faster does not equal better, but considering the price penalty for the so-called "P-car" I'd definitely opt for the faster GT-R...
I still find it funny that all the Porsche "purists" say how much better the 911 is than the GT-R, yet most of the laptimes I've seen have the Nissan quicker than the 911 turbo/GT3 RS:
C&D Lightning Lap
....
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
--------------
TG Power Laps:
Nissan GT-R - 1:19.5
Porsche Carrera GT - 1:19.8
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:22.2
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:22.3
Certainly faster does not equal better, but considering the price penalty for the so-called "P-car" I'd definitely opt for the faster GT-R...
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I'd take a porsche any day of the week over the GT-R. The GT-R is stupidly fast. Thats really all it has. From readings, the only way the car is fun is if you are driving fast. You don't feel connected to the road as you do in other cars, like porsche which I hear has one of the best connectedness out there.
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"Buy our really fast car but don't do anything with it. It wasn't really meant to be driven like a high performance car. We were just trying to undercut Porsche price wise. We didn't really think the people who would buy an 80 thousand dollar Nissan would actually want to drive it like a Porsche. Sorry....we want you to buy, but don't play.
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Seems like Nissan has finally corrected its stupidity in regards to the LC warrranty fiasco. Limiting it to 4 uses before a 1.5 mile "cool-down" seems perfectly reasonable to me. I guess the GT-R haters have just lost one of their major critisms for this car (of course they can always fall back on how ugly it is)....
I still find it funny that all the Porsche "purists" say how much better the 911 is than the GT-R, yet most of the laptimes I've seen have the Nissan quicker than the 911 turbo/GT3 RS:
C&D Lightning Lap
....
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
--------------
TG Power Laps:
Nissan GT-R - 1:19.5
Porsche Carrera GT - 1:19.8
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:22.2
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:22.3
Certainly faster does not equal better, but considering the price penalty for the so-called "P-car" I'd definitely opt for the faster GT-R...
I still find it funny that all the Porsche "purists" say how much better the 911 is than the GT-R, yet most of the laptimes I've seen have the Nissan quicker than the 911 turbo/GT3 RS:
C&D Lightning Lap
....
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
--------------
TG Power Laps:
Nissan GT-R - 1:19.5
Porsche Carrera GT - 1:19.8
Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:22.2
Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 1:22.3
Certainly faster does not equal better, but considering the price penalty for the so-called "P-car" I'd definitely opt for the faster GT-R...
#52
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But, playing your game, using the equation v = u + at, where u is initial velocity, and v is the final velocity of 60MPH (26.67m/s), and t is time elapsed of 2.7 seconds, you have an acceleration of 9.87 m/s^2, almost 1.01 times the force of gravity.
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#53
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The GT-R transmission issues were way overblown. Plenty of peeps running 600whp and having no problems. There were some solenoid issues in early cars and with the very first launch control. 10's and 11's have been rock solid. I paid $70k for my absolutely fully loaded 2010 with 1500 miles, to me it was a bargain. That being said, would I pay $90k? Almost certainly not. I love the car. Do I love it more than I loved my M3? Not really. Just a different car.
#54
Abuse, accident, acts of God (wtf), competition, racing, track use, or other
events.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/accessori...rrantyperiods/
Acts of God basically means freak accidents, like a tree limp snapping off and falling on your car.
EDIT: that would actually/should be covered under Comprehensive. AOG would be like a major flood or hurricane or disaster.
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I'm so sick of LEDs going on the front bumper of so many cars nowadays ![ugh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ugh.gif)
Personally I love the GTR. It would be hard to buy one over a 911 though.
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Personally I love the GTR. It would be hard to buy one over a 911 though.
#56
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I hate what Honda is doing right now. The Odyssey, Civic, and CRV look alright, but the Accord, Fit, Pilot, and CRZ are awful. I know Acura has been criticized for lack of direction, but I still think they look decent.
I hated the 4G TL for the longest time, but after seeing this guy's car I know the potential it has.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=177
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Now I love them. So for me, the NSX potentially could look great. Then again, the 2010 concept was nothing special so who knows.
#57
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Maintenance costs on the 911 comparable or more I assume?
#58
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While i will admit that its a fast car, i would much rather have a Porsche. But at the near 100k mark i would spend a little extra and get a ZR1. Something i know i can drop the clutch over and over and not do any thing other than ruin tires, and its cheap to make more power.
#61
Punk Rocker
While i will admit that its a fast car, i would much rather have a Porsche. But at the near 100k mark i would spend a little extra and get a ZR1. Something i know i can drop the clutch over and over and not do any thing other than ruin tires, and its cheap to make more power.
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#62
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I changed a portion of your post to a red text representing sarcasm, if there's any remaining confusion. I still hate the stock looks of the 4G TL. Sure, you can perform a number of mods to make it look decent. Still, you shouldn't have to performs mods on a car just to get it looking decent.
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I didn't think they could do it, but they made the GT-R even uglier with the refresh ![Yuck](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/yuck.gif)
Impressive, definitely. But as good as it is, like the 4G TL, I just can't get over the styling.
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Impressive, definitely. But as good as it is, like the 4G TL, I just can't get over the styling.
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Thanks.
Regardless, I'm not sure the G's AT 2.7 seconds is what I'd want to know. What I mean is, I'd be more interested in the MAX G in a "typical" 0 - 60 in 2.7 seconds. I'd guess that would occur just after launch or perhaps at a gear change as opposed to the end of the run.
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#68
Suzuka Master
While i will admit that its a fast car, i would much rather have a Porsche. But at the near 100k mark i would spend a little extra and get a ZR1. Something i know i can drop the clutch over and over and not do any thing other than ruin tires, and its cheap to make more power.
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But again, 100k buys a 07-08 GT3RS nowadays.
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But if i ever have $90,000 i would get that GTR. wouldnt drive it too much because insurance and gas. lmao. but it would still feel good knowing i have 1 of the fastest cars out there. haha
#71
I think if you had 90 grand, you wouldn't complain about insurance or gas lol.
#72
Punk Rocker
I'd feel a 1000 times more confident in a GT-R on a track day than the axe-murderer ZR1....
#76
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If you look hard enough you can find one around the 110k area that's not too loaded...When they first came out, some dealers had ridiculous markups...![Roll Eyes](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
It's a matter of personal opinion I guess, but yes the ZR1 demands more driver skill to fully enjoy it, one that probably a pro can fully extract.
Let's not exaggerate, the slightest mistake in a C6 will not kill you; you just have to be gentle and moderate with the throttle just like you have to remember an AWD car isn't above the laws of physics. I've seen drivers at track events with AWD, dealing with lift off oversteer as well.![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
Axe-murderer? You just need to know how to deal with opposite lock.
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Is definitely go GT-R over a ZR1 just because the limits of the Nissan are so much more accessible than those of the Chevy. Just the slightest mistake in a Corvette will kill you but the GT-R will just settle down and go. Fast.
I'd feel a 1000 times more confident in a GT-R on a track day than the axe-murderer ZR1....
I'd feel a 1000 times more confident in a GT-R on a track day than the axe-murderer ZR1....
Let's not exaggerate, the slightest mistake in a C6 will not kill you; you just have to be gentle and moderate with the throttle just like you have to remember an AWD car isn't above the laws of physics. I've seen drivers at track events with AWD, dealing with lift off oversteer as well.
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Axe-murderer? You just need to know how to deal with opposite lock.
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#78
It's just a matter of taste, like blondes or brunettes. As great as they both are for the money, there are those who will never take a GT-R or a ZR1 for the price. I just prefer the way the ZR1 looks and sounds (don't get me wrong, the GT-R sounds good but there's no way it can beat the sound of the blown LS9) and I like the fact that it comes in a 6-speed manual.
The GT-R has very little appeal to me, though I can see why a lot of people love it. The sooner people start seeing this, the less often threads will end up devolving into a GT-R vs. ZR1 or GT-R vs. 911 Turbo/GT3/etc. or GT-R vs. whatever debate
The GT-R has very little appeal to me, though I can see why a lot of people love it. The sooner people start seeing this, the less often threads will end up devolving into a GT-R vs. ZR1 or GT-R vs. 911 Turbo/GT3/etc. or GT-R vs. whatever debate
#79
Suzuka Master
To me its not about lap times. First off I'll probably never be racing on a track competitively and neither will most of you. Just against yourself or with friends. Being that, it doesnt really matter if you have a gtr or 911. The driver will be the bigger factor. And I dont think learning to race in a gtr will make you a better driver.
That being said, I'll take the car thats more engaging to the driver over the one that produces a better lap time
That being said, I'll take the car thats more engaging to the driver over the one that produces a better lap time
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