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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Playing around with HDR...

Hey guys, I've been shooting in NEF+JPEG mode on my D40x just so I can play with them in Photomatix.

Anyway, I would like some advice/tips on my results.

Just an FYI, the original was shot with ISO200, f/5.6. Sunny as hell outside. Should I have used ISO100?

Before JPEG:


After NEF->HDR->JPEG:
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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what bracketing did you use
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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What the heck is NEF?
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
What the heck is NEF?
Nikon Electronic Format
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 02:20 PM
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Nikon Electronic Format


Figured it might be Nikon RAW format...
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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I suspect you could have achieved the same thing by just playing with the histogram curve. HDR doesn't really show its strengths until you use multiple images.

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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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I love how HDR looks. This looks like it's going to have to be my next thing to play with... UGh!! and to think I'm still trying to figure out an easy way to do B&W w/ Color, lol
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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and to think I'm still trying to figure out an easy way to do B&W w/ Color, lol
2 layers....color on bottom, black and white on top...erase portions of black and white layer...color shows through...
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 06:33 PM
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imo HDRs are retarded looking, at least how everyone does them.
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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imo HDRs are retarded looking, at least how everyone does them.
hey...my avatar is anything but retarded...
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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I want to see some HDR photos of retards...
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
I suspect you could have achieved the same thing by just playing with the histogram curve. HDR doesn't really show its strengths until you use multiple images.

- Frank
Well, can you do this in CS3? I will play around with it this weekend. I would love to take multiple pictures at different exposures but I don't have a tripod yet so whenever I try, the overlays look f'd up. When I finally get it, its the first thing I'll try!

Originally Posted by Malayalee King
what bracketing did you use
What do you mean? Sorry... not familiar with the lingo yet

I love the look of HDRs. I just need to get better at making them.
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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I'm going to hell for this:




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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jmkiang
Well, can you do this in CS3? I will play around with it this weekend. I would love to take multiple pictures at different exposures but I don't have a tripod yet so whenever I try, the overlays look f'd up. When I finally get it, its the first thing I'll try!
If you shoot on high speed drive, you can probably rattle off 3 frames without much movement. It helps if you can brace yourself off something, but I've done a few freehand.
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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I'm going to hell for this:




thats so fucked up dan...
go corkie!
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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I'm going to hell for this:




Wow. Just wow. I'll save you a seat...
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Old Aug 29, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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if you have just 1 JPEG image, go into photoshop, then go to image, adjustments, exposure, then do -2, then save, then undo it, then -1, then save, then undo then +1, then save, then undo, then +2, this way you will get a lot higher range to put into photomatix.
Then put it into photomatix and make sure it is -2, -1, 0 (orignal), +1, +2
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
If you shoot on high speed drive, you can probably rattle off 3 frames without much movement. It helps if you can brace yourself off something, but I've done a few freehand.
But don't you need to adjust the settings between each shot?

Originally Posted by csmeance
if you have just 1 JPEG image, go into photoshop, then go to image, adjustments, exposure, then do -2, then save, then undo it, then -1, then save, then undo then +1, then save, then undo, then +2, this way you will get a lot higher range to put into photomatix.
Then put it into photomatix and make sure it is -2, -1, 0 (orignal), +1, +2
Hmm, didn't know Photomatix took JPGs... I see that it does now. I'm gonna try this out! Thanks
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 12:44 AM
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So I was playing around with photomatix... I didn't have two identical images of the same exposure so I was playing around with combining two images to see what would happen. Here is a result of one which isn't that great but I like the effect.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/evader/2809745455/" title="hdr-test by Evader87, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3102/2809745455_434d24fc86_b.jpg" width="1024" height="663" alt="hdr-test" /></a>
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 03:04 AM
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^^^ummm wtf?
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jmkiang
But don't you need to adjust the settings between each shot?
That's what AEB (auto exposure bracketing) is for.
On most models, it will take three shots at different shutter speeds when you press the shutter. You'll get one underexposed, one regularly exposed, and one overexposed shot. Typically you can control the spread between shots, anywhere from a 1/3rd EV to 2 or 3EV. I find that 1EV is good for most shots, but if you want something more dramatic, try 2EV.

The more frames you capture, the less noise you'll have in your final image.
Hmm, didn't know Photomatix took JPGs... I see that it does now. I'm gonna try this out! Thanks
The problem with torturing a single JPG into a "HDR" image is you just don't have enough data in that file to extend the dynamic range. JPGs are only 8-bits. Your monitor can most likely show all 8-bits at once, so you're looking at everything that is contained in that file right now.

RAW files are 12, 14, or even 16-bits, so there's a lot more data to work with there. The term "HDR" is really being misused because what you're doing with applications like Photomatix is taking the data that's contained in those 12 to 16-bits and compressing it down to 8-bits so you can see it all at once.

You can use Photomatix on a single 8-bit JPG and you'll end up with an effect just like my developmentally-challenged superhero. It just won't be an HDR image.
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
That's what AEB (auto exposure bracketing) is for.
On most models, it will take three shots at different shutter speeds when you press the shutter. You'll get one underexposed, one regularly exposed, and one overexposed shot. Typically you can control the spread between shots, anywhere from a 1/3rd EV to 2 or 3EV. I find that 1EV is good for most shots, but if you want something more dramatic, try 2EV.

The more frames you capture, the less noise you'll have in your final image.
Gotcha. Well, just got my tripod so I'm gonna try this the real way. I'll look thru my manual to see if my camera does AEB.

Originally Posted by Evader
So I was playing around with photomatix... I didn't have two identical images of the same exposure so I was playing around with combining two images to see what would happen. Here is a result of one which isn't that great but I like the effect.
Haha interesting picture...

Heres one I tried with the PS method... exposure levels at -2, -1, 0, 1 and 2.
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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^Nice! I'm going to probably pick up a tri pod from best buy today. I'm looking the carbon fiber one. since it's pretty light but sturdy
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