It's official: 5D Mark II
11-07-2008, 06:05 PM
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If people have prepaid or money was taken for a deposit, I don't think Canon or Vistek can change or cancel to get more money. I don't know Canadian Law, but I'd think it wouldn't be allowed.
Canon trying to backdoor their customers even before they get them.
Canon trying to backdoor their customers even before they get them.
11-07-2008, 07:30 PM
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Big Block go VROOOM!
How so? He simply stated he wanted the products he ordered at the price advertised when he placed his order, that he felt the parties involved were legally in the wrong, and that he would be pursuing his perceived legal wrong-doing to the fullest extent possible.
11-07-2008, 07:43 PM
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most reputable places would honor their original paid transactions, regardless of any subsequent price changes, no?
11-07-2008, 08:35 PM
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Big Block go VROOOM!
I was taking Moe's post to imply that the person who purchased the camera handled it in a horrible way. If he was meaning the vendor then yes, it is absolutely a horrible way to handle it.
11-07-2008, 08:37 PM
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no I think he was talking about the person.. I was talking about the vendor 
11-21-2008, 01:27 PM
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...4&changemode=1
Canon officially announces 5D release date: Nov 29!!
davejp - 14 hours ago
Right on schedule, Canon Japan has announced the EOS 5D Mark II will release to retailers on Saturday November 29.
Body and lens kit ship same day along with accessories. Focus screens won't ship until mid-December: http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/5dmk2/
Translation from dc.watch, the dates auto-translate funny, don't worry, the Japanese actually says November 29, not June 29!
http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Yes, 2 1/2 months after the announcement, right on schedule and very inconveniently right after the Japan labor day thanksgiving holiday and just after the autumn leaves. Nobody is slower or has worse timing than Canon's management! But at least the AF works this time!
davejp - 14 hours ago
Right on schedule, Canon Japan has announced the EOS 5D Mark II will release to retailers on Saturday November 29.
Body and lens kit ship same day along with accessories. Focus screens won't ship until mid-December: http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/5dmk2/
Translation from dc.watch, the dates auto-translate funny, don't worry, the Japanese actually says November 29, not June 29!
http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Yes, 2 1/2 months after the announcement, right on schedule and very inconveniently right after the Japan labor day thanksgiving holiday and just after the autumn leaves. Nobody is slower or has worse timing than Canon's management! But at least the AF works this time!
11-21-2008, 02:27 PM
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To the last sentence in what you quoted, it better work it's four years old.
11-21-2008, 02:45 PM
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11-21-2008, 03:21 PM
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I was talking about the person. I agree that the person should get the camera at the originally agreed upon price and he should have stated that alone. Bringing in talk of litigation right off the bat puts the vendor on the defensive rather than on the side of the customer. If that doesn't fail, THEN talk of legal action would be warranted.
11-24-2008, 10:59 AM
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Well, it's out. It's available in China.
Check out this ISO 25600 pic:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=30106472
Very impressive!
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Check out this ISO 25600 pic:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=30106472
Very impressive!
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11-24-2008, 01:55 PM
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That is very impressive, and it's the unedited RAW file. What's even more impressive is that people can still find something to bitch about with a file like that. We've gotten really, really spoiled since the 35mm film days.
It looks like Canon may have hit a homer with the MkII.
We've gotten really, really spoiled since the 35mm film days.It looks like Canon may have hit a homer with the MkII.
11-24-2008, 01:58 PM
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Another video sample, this time w/ production version.
http://vimeo.com/2327058
The video is very impressive. Now I want video on my camera
http://vimeo.com/2327058
The video is very impressive. Now I want video on my camera
11-24-2008, 02:59 PM
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Another video sample, this time w/ production version.
http://vimeo.com/2327058
The video is very impressive. Now I want video on my camera
http://vimeo.com/2327058
The video is very impressive. Now I want video on my camera
11-24-2008, 03:10 PM
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@ that vid..
11-24-2008, 03:41 PM
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Video filmed by Guardian photographer Dan Chung entirely on a production Canon EOS5DmkII and adapted Nikon and Zeiss lenses using manual focus. The camera was purchased to use solely as a video camera with existing Nikon kit.
11-24-2008, 03:44 PM
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wtf, it doesnt look that cold in beijing, i couldve so went there during my trip to asia 
11-25-2008, 11:48 AM
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I think he's face-splatting on the 'This camera was purchased to use solely as a video camera' part.
The video part is neat, and impressive, but........
Okay, here's some basic questions, for example:
How long does it take to drain your battery when you shoot in full HD?
And how much space does it take on the cards?
I think not having a hard disk on a HD video recorder could be incredibly limited.
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The video part is neat, and impressive, but........
Okay, here's some basic questions, for example:
How long does it take to drain your battery when you shoot in full HD?
And how much space does it take on the cards?
I think not having a hard disk on a HD video recorder could be incredibly limited.
- Frank
11-25-2008, 11:58 AM
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I think he's face-splatting on the 'This camera was purchased to use solely as a video camera' part.
The video part is neat, and impressive, but........
Okay, here's some basic questions, for example:
How long does it take to drain your battery when you shoot in full HD?
And how much space does it take on the cards?
I think not having a hard disk on a HD video recorder could be incredibly limited.
- Frank
The video part is neat, and impressive, but........
Okay, here's some basic questions, for example:
How long does it take to drain your battery when you shoot in full HD?
And how much space does it take on the cards?
I think not having a hard disk on a HD video recorder could be incredibly limited.
- Frank
Canon says you can capture up to 12 minutes of high-def video with monoaural sound (approximately 4GB) or 29 minutes, 59 seconds of standard definition video
As for the 'This camera was purchased to use solely as a video camera' part. He obviously has the full compliment of Nikon gear but wanted video. Makes sense to use his investment in Nikon lenses. I'm sure a Canon shooter would have done the same if roles were reversed.
Which I'm sure they will so not sure why he rushed in.
Tim Burton did the same when he filmed one of his movies using a 1Ds.
11-25-2008, 12:45 PM
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uh dom...you can't use this as an example. The Tim Burton movie was stop motion animation...Its different. A LOT different.
But they did adapt Nikon Lenses for the Canon cameras on that movie...they liked the glass better
Hell...You can say even Indiana Jones and other films where shot using still cameras (Nikon for Indy) because some of the stop motion effects were done that way at the time.
But stop motion aint live action.
Apples and pumpkins.
But they did adapt Nikon Lenses for the Canon cameras on that movie...they liked the glass better
Hell...You can say even Indiana Jones and other films where shot using still cameras (Nikon for Indy) because some of the stop motion effects were done that way at the time.
But stop motion aint live action.
Apples and pumpkins.
11-25-2008, 01:09 PM
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uh dom...you can't use this as an example. The Tim Burton movie was stop motion animation...Its different. A LOT different.
But they did adapt Nikon Lenses for the Canon cameras on that movie...they liked the glass better
Hell...You can say even Indiana Jones and other films where shot using still cameras (Nikon for Indy) because some of the stop motion effects were done that way at the time.
But stop motion aint live action.
Apples and pumpkins.
But they did adapt Nikon Lenses for the Canon cameras on that movie...they liked the glass better
Hell...You can say even Indiana Jones and other films where shot using still cameras (Nikon for Indy) because some of the stop motion effects were done that way at the time.
But stop motion aint live action.
Apples and pumpkins.
It was simply more cost effective for Burton and this guy to use his existing lens collection rather than go out and but a new line up of Canon lenses. I'm not trying to argue which is better here. Cost is my argument.
I guess I take issue with the quote. "The camera was purchased to use solely as a video camera with existing Nikon kit." I'm sure he bought the camera because he wanted to see what kind of video it was capable of. And found it convenient and cheaper to use his Nikon glass.
That article I read on Burton wasn't that he liked Nikon glass better (Maybe he did for all we know) He already had invested thousands in the glass and found it cheaper to adapt to the body he needed.
With these issues in mind, Watts set about getting his hands on every digital camera he could find. Canon UK loaned a 10D, a 1D, a 1D Mark 2, and a 1DS. Nikon loaned a D1x, a D100, and one of the new D2H cameras. Watts also tested cameras from Sigma and Kodak. Initial tests were held at Framestore-CFC and the Moving Picture Company in London.
“ We shot the same scene on every camera, converted the digital frames using dcRAW [an open-source program that accesses raw digital images], crunched everything to 2K, color-timed the sequences to match using Baselight and then output to film,” says Watts. “Basically, everything looked great until the film-originated version came up, then everyone yelled at the projectionist, ‘Focus!’” The images from digital cameras looked so stunning when projected. The tests convinced Burton, Johnson, Abbate and executives at Warners.
“ We originally selected the Nikon D2H because of the wireless ftp, the chip size, and the fact that we owned $90,000 of Nikon glass [lenses],” notes Watts. However, random noise was visible as pixilation in dark areas when the shots were played back as a movie. This pixilation effect was only visible in stop-motion photography, an application the Nikon hadn’t been designed for.
The Canon EOS-1D Mark II, which uses a CMOS sensor and DIGIC II processor chip, was one of the most expensive still cameras tested, but the image quality was amazing, according to Watts. A way had to be found to mount Nikon lenses on the Canon EOS body. With the NEOS adapter, focus and aperture must be set manually, but that’s fine for stop-motion photography.
“ We shot the same scene on every camera, converted the digital frames using dcRAW [an open-source program that accesses raw digital images], crunched everything to 2K, color-timed the sequences to match using Baselight and then output to film,” says Watts. “Basically, everything looked great until the film-originated version came up, then everyone yelled at the projectionist, ‘Focus!’” The images from digital cameras looked so stunning when projected. The tests convinced Burton, Johnson, Abbate and executives at Warners.
“ We originally selected the Nikon D2H because of the wireless ftp, the chip size, and the fact that we owned $90,000 of Nikon glass [lenses],” notes Watts. However, random noise was visible as pixilation in dark areas when the shots were played back as a movie. This pixilation effect was only visible in stop-motion photography, an application the Nikon hadn’t been designed for.
The Canon EOS-1D Mark II, which uses a CMOS sensor and DIGIC II processor chip, was one of the most expensive still cameras tested, but the image quality was amazing, according to Watts. A way had to be found to mount Nikon lenses on the Canon EOS body. With the NEOS adapter, focus and aperture must be set manually, but that’s fine for stop-motion photography.
All I'm suggesting that is if Nikon had the released the 5D Mrk II and a Pro Canon shooter wanted to use it, I'm sure they'd be adapting their Canon lenses to work somehow.
11-25-2008, 01:39 PM
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oh well yes, then carry on...I had that article as well...I just thought they had bought everything from scratch.
my bad...
my bad...
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11-27-2008, 01:42 PM
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another 5DmkII video (nsfw?)
http://www.vimeo.com/2314305
as well as a new video from Vincent Laforet
http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/ga...674_7Ykfo-A-LB
http://www.vimeo.com/2314305
as well as a new video from Vincent Laforet
http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/ga...674_7Ykfo-A-LB
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Still looks like video.
11-27-2008, 01:52 PM
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11-27-2008, 02:07 PM
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11-30-2008, 10:08 PM
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5D Mk II Vs. IDsMkIII
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...dpost&p=240287
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...dpost&p=240658
Looks pretty much the same as 1DsMkIII to me.
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...dpost&p=240287
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...dpost&p=240658
Looks pretty much the same as 1DsMkIII to me.
12-05-2008, 08:25 AM
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Reports are being posted of bad pixels, not just dead or blown, but bad. Where the image just shows black.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=30222755
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=30222755
12-05-2008, 10:52 AM
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LOL! They need to attend a PPA (Pixel Peepers Anonymous) meeting. They're taking badly exposed images in poor conditions at high ISO's then zooming in to 200% to see a problem.
WTF were they expecting this image to look like:
Black dots are the least of their problems...
Then someone else give this image as an example, saying "you can see the dots in the lower left tree" and this was at ISO200: http://ylwgoa.bay.livefilestore.com/...IMG_9211-m.jpg'
They're smoking crack if they think that's bad quality. Does nobody print these days?
WTF were they expecting this image to look like:
Black dots are the least of their problems...
Then someone else give this image as an example, saying "you can see the dots in the lower left tree" and this was at ISO200: http://ylwgoa.bay.livefilestore.com/...IMG_9211-m.jpg'
They're smoking crack if they think that's bad quality. Does nobody print these days?
12-05-2008, 11:01 AM
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I know it's a bad picture, but I've seen a couple many times better than this, that have the problem as well at POTN. Of couse it's pixel peeping.
One said they called Canon, they know of what's going around the messages boards. They said that it at long exposure, high ISO. This is not something they needed though. Guess a firmware will fix this.
One said they called Canon, they know of what's going around the messages boards. They said that it at long exposure, high ISO. This is not something they needed though. Guess a firmware will fix this.
12-05-2008, 11:18 AM
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Not going to see it under those conditions. But you know how this is going to go.
The best post and response (from FM), that gave me the best laugh I've had all week. Your replied over there gave me a good laugh as well.
Check out the "Defective 5dmkII thread" at FM as well, pretty funny...
The best post and response (from FM), that gave me the best laugh I've had all week. Your replied over there gave me a good laugh as well.
In all seriousness, are these "black dots" visible in any photos that are actually worth looking at?
Maybe if you are a brick-layer and like to admire your work, especially in dim, poorly lit conditions
Maybe if you are a brick-layer and like to admire your work, especially in dim, poorly lit conditions
Check out the "Defective 5dmkII thread" at FM as well, pretty funny...
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12-05-2008, 12:01 PM
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Photographers might be the most obsessive group of individuals anywhere. Every single camera body that comes out goes through this at one level or another. Unbelievable. Does anybody really think the 5D MkII stinks? 
12-09-2008, 09:56 AM
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Weird, they have showed up at some best buys.
A search of the best buy site shows one sitting in a secausus, NJ store.
It's funny to my finger keeps twitching towards the 'add to cart' button, although
I am in no hurry to be forced to replace my 10-22.
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A search of the best buy site shows one sitting in a secausus, NJ store.
It's funny to my finger keeps twitching towards the 'add to cart' button, although
I am in no hurry to be forced to replace my 10-22.
- Frank