jupitersolo

Film? can be $5-$10, processing about $10, depends on roll 24 or 36.

srika

I only get 36 shots???? haha.

hasn't changed much really then eh. cool.

SaaBaaDoo

My father gave me all the darkroom stuff, so I have no idea. The processing cost was about $5 at walgreens I only shot a test roll through it before putting it up on ebay.

srika

nah was just talking film and store-processing..

thanks

Mizouse

I can see you probably burning thru 4-5 rolls a night.

srika

at least when the d-bags ask for photos I can say I'm running out of film and really mean it!

moeronn

I haven't shot film since HS. My dad has all the darkroom equipment and I used it for a while - after he stopped. B&W was pretty cool to play with, but color was too involved for my limited patience.

srika

I get requests like this once in a while... I don't know her personally (never met her) but she is on a forum other people I know are on.. but I am not a very active participant there. I'm just wondering what to do here, I mean part of me doesn't want to be a dick and be like "no", I mean, 10 photos, BFD - just let her use em, BFD. But the other part of me thinks I shouldn't be giving up my photos for free like this - I mean, if they are being used somewhere. It devalues our trade and so I think even just out of principle, I should say no to free photos for such a purpose. Being put in situations like this really bugs me. What do you think?

Oh also, she was referred to me by a friend who I know pretty well - that's an added layer of contemplation.

moeronn

If she is getting paid for the project, then she should pay you for the photos. End of discussion.

I got a request to use one of my images on flickr to be used for GQ online. Of course they weren't going to pay, so I said no. I don't think anyone other than photographers bother to even look at photo credits.

Mizouse

I'd let them use it, puts your name out there.

But if they end up wanting more, then I say start charging.

srika

I don't know whether she is getting paid.... wouldn't it be odd to be like, are you getting paid for this?

srika

thing is, I kinda wanna cut back on the nightlife stuff - it's not an area where I want to get more exposure and networking... I already have a pretty good standing in CHI nightlife..

moeronn

This isn't a school project - it is something that will end up being in hotels. And you have every right to ask and know whether or not she will be profiting from your work.

Of course, you do what you feel is right for you.

srika

hmm. the hotel thing *could* be some sort of new and different exposure, but think about it, if you're at a hotel and you're looking at a kiosk and you see pictures of the city and nightlife or what not, are you ever interested in those pictures at a greater level than just a quick glance? I sure am not. lol

Mizouse

I had an offer for a newspaper to use one of my sports images but w/o pay.

My reason for saying yes is because it gets my name out there for people to see and for other photographers/editors to see. Also something to put in my portfolio/resume

Mizouse

If I'm in a new area and I'm looking for stuff to do and the images make the place look interesting then I'd go check it out.

srika

wndrlst

As someone now trying to make a good portion of my living with my photography, I side with moe on this. So many people get good images for free these days that the market for them is rapidly diminishing. If your images were mediocre, I'd say go for it, but you really produce some great photos with a very distinct flavor. It's hard to carve out your own niche in this day and age, but you're doing it. That has inherent value.

Just my

Dan Martin

You should be compensated in some way for sure. It's a commercial project. Someone's getting paid to put those things in the room, and the final product would be pretty damn boring without photos. So in that regard, your photos are the product, so you should be getting paid.

Mizouse

I guess for me, I would charge if I was doing this as a hobby and someone approached me asking to use some.

But for me at the time I was really considering trying to get job as a photojournalist so I was ok with it.

srika

yeah the feeling in my mind upon reading it was I should be paid. but it's nice to hear what everyone thinks. thanks.

maybe I'll formulate the word "sadly" into my response, just as she did in her msg. haha

wndrlst

srika

someone hated on my photo that won the book cover.... here is what they said:
lol - btw it's not a HDR - I let them know

einsatz

I think I haven't seen an HDR from you in a long while.

jupitersolo

What dicks, the image won because people liked it. It doesn't matter what was used to process. Sounds like a sore effing loser.

wndrlst

Ok, whose teeth do I need to knock out?

waTSX

Eff 'em.

wndrlst

Well, I can't compete with your book cover, srika, but I heard final confirmation today (and received the tear sheet) that 2 of my images will grace the 2010 American Horse Council brochure, including the cover. I have permission to post it on my site and a blog, but I don't want to push that by posting it on a forum, so I'll just post the link.

http://www.moxiephotos.com/Portfolio...09353652_B7vJG

Their designer did a gorgeous job! (The second image is just a background fade on the inside, so I didn't post it on the site.)

srika

eh whatever.. it was just kinda funny, I didn't expect to see that on the photo's page itself. here is what I responded:

wndrlst

Good reply, and very true. Go get em tiger.

srika

oh come on - that's great! I checked out your horse pics on your site, some really nice stuff in there, glad it's being seen!

edit: "horse pics" .... you know what I mean...

wndrlst

Thanks! I'm very excited!!

srika

wndrlst

Did you ever get out to shoot that horse stuff with your friend?

srika

noooo...

but I think I can go by myself if I want, do they do this kind of thing year-round? would make a nice winter activity -

wndrlst

There are different seasons for each discipline. For instance, the hunter shows are ending now, but field hunting is just about to get started. Not sure if that's popular in Illinois?

srika

I have no idea... but also I am longing for a 70-200 2.8L now.... I would like to have that before pursuing this.. I'm quite sure the 24-70 won't cut it and the 28-300 does not have the low-light and sharpness I want.

wndrlst

You'll definitely want some reach, but to be honest, I rarely open up to 2.8 because I need more dof to get the rider and the horse's head both in focus. If I'm allowed a little more artistic license, I will on occasion open up. For the equine portrait sessions I did all day on Saturday, I used my 24-105 and never wished for a wider aperture. Just saying, if you get your hands on a well-priced f/4 that's all I find I'd use on the horses on a typical day.

srika

hmm. and there's probably a lot of light right, and consistent. I have this problem where when I think "indoor" I immediately think of the clubs. lol

wndrlst

Well, granted indoor arenas are pretty dark. I mostly shoot outdoor events. The professional shots I see of indoor jumper shows have obvious direct flash - they're kinda icky. You could bring a whole new level to it with strobes! The thought of freaking out a horse with my flash terrifies me.

But yeah, they're brighter than clubs!