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Don't forget that Tesla released all their patents
These bitches know where they need to source their batteries though
I don't think it's fair to say other EV teams are behind
In some regards, some teams are doing really innovative and next gen shit
Porsche and BMWs super charging station is nucking futs
Tesla has the network, so they win, but the Porsche and BMW stations can recharge you in half the time
A 50% charge takes minutes
Porsche and BMWs super charging station is nucking futs
Tesla has the network, so they win, but the Porsche and BMW stations can recharge you in half the time
A 50% charge takes minutes
A 50% charge in the Taycan takes you a much shorter distance than it does in any Tesla.
The Taycan charges at 270kw, the Model 3 charges at 250kw. Cool.
However there's a big asterisk on the Taycan's charge rate because the Taycan is so inefficient with its energy use it requires more energy to go the same distance. So a Model 3 charging at 250kw can get 100 miles of range in 6 minutes, while a Taycan charging at 270kw can get 100 miles of range in a little over 10 minutes. So to go the same distance you have to charge longer, even the Model S with its 200kw peak charge rate is still faster than the Taycan because the Taycan wastes more energy.
It takes 49kwh of energy for the Taycan to travel 100 miles, the Model S uses just 32kwh, and the Model 3 uses 26kwh.
They already had trucks that look like this in blade runner and robocop. Nothing new here.
I admit I haven’t watched those movies, (except one of the Robocop), but I’ll try now, even though I’m not sure I’ll be able to go through the entire quarter century old action movie without yawning. .
Tesla Cybertruck wins Concept Car of the Year award for its insanely unique design
The Tesla Cybertruck has been subjected to many nods of both praise and criticism. But as we begin the new year and a new decade, we can mark another tally in the vehicle’s “Praise” section, as Automobile Magazine has named the electric pickup truck from Tesla as their Concept Car of the Year.
Automobile Magazinemade it simple: the basic idea and shape of the car were simply so unique that it was easily the best concept of 2019. Inspired by the late Syd Mead’s designs in Blade Runner, the truck was met with a lot of criticism early on due to its XY design, and critics were particularly vocal about their discontent. Nevertheless, the truck has inspired a lot of interest, part of which fueled at least 250,000 reservations for the vehicle.
“Some critiques we read in the first few hours after its initial reveal suggested it to be a manifestation of unimaginative brutality, crude, ugly, and totally impractical. It is certainly different from traditional pickups, which apart from size have not really changed in concept in 100 years. Is it better than the tens of millions of pickups made during the past century? That remains to be seen, but as a concept vehicle it’s both exciting and profoundly interesting,” the publication wrote.
Cumberford believes that someone who fails to recognize the Cybertruck’s unique structure and states that it is “brutal” would show a “complete lack of comprehension as to how subtle and intelligent the Cybertruck’s designers were in defining its outer skin.”
The motoring publication also noted how the Cybertruck features a lot of practical features, such as its adaptive suspension that makes it easier for the vehicle to load and unload cargo. The all-electric pickup’s off-road capabilities were also considered as key strengths of the Tesla Cybertruck.
With this award, the Cybertruck joins the ranks of Tesla’s other vehicles like the Model 3, which has also been receiving multiple awards due to its mix of performance, practicality, and price. Since then, the truck has been talked about by people from all different walks of life. Automotive industry veterans and musicians have commented or given the truck their nod of approval. The Cybertruck was even used as a hero vehicle in a rap video, together with its companion all-electric ATV and Elon Musk’s Not-a-Flamethrower.
The Cybertruck’s Dual Motor AWD and Tri-Motor AWD variants will both enter production at the tail end of 2021 and will cost $49,990 and $69,990 respectively. The Single Motor RWD trim will be built the following year and will cost $39,990.
Active ride height & active damping are game-changing for a truck or any car with a high max/min weight ratio ✔Btw, in some prior tweets I’d said production Cybertruck would be ~80” wide (vs ~84” body width at unveil). This is slightly too small. Will be closer to 82”, but come standard with upper laser blade lights. 4,240
Cyber truck reservation numbers surpass half a million mark
Even though Elon Musk has confirmed only 250,000 pre-orders for Cybertruck, the unofficial calculation based on the reservation confirmation number shows that more than 550,000 Cybertrucks have already been ordered.
The number is continually growing even further as we speak.
You can check your spot in the line through this hack if you wish.
We were a pretty early pre-order, but not quite day 1. Originally was going to be a gift for my mom (she had been driving the 2003 TL-S ever since I moved on from it)
Was almost two months overdue on the delivery date, which changed multiple times. Just so happened that a few weeks before the Model 3 was set to be delivered, she got rear ended by a pickup truck and it totaled the SUV.
Being a fickle Asian mother, she decided suddenly she did not really want a new car and was adamant about it. If it were up to her, she would have preferred to keep the 2G TL-S, doomed 5AT and all. The trans still shifted decently, actually. She also hated the interior of the Model 3. I get her though, I like the design, but I hate its functionality.
So she got my sister's Lexus as a hand-me-down and my sister decided to spend her money on the Macan.
I glossed over the fact that she was in a shitty rental for almost two weeks and had enough of it. We explained our situation to Tesla and they said they could not move us up the list, and that was frustrating.
Oops. I understand your situation. And sorry to hear about that. Only thing I am glad was that your mom was okay after the accident.
Yes, I would expect a delay in delivery for a new product from a nascent manufacturer anyhow. With regards to Cybertruck; absolutely so, since the company hasn’t even figured out how or where to manufacture it, let alone the increase battery requirements. Even after production starts I am looking at third year delivery realistically given my place in the line.
The Tug of war with Ford F150, redone this time with a 1:2 scale Cybertruck.
Why do they keep using RWD F150s all the time. Dang... This is getting ridiculous. I'm starting to believe they are trying to hide something from the public now. An AWD F 150 is not that hard to find.
Tesla Cybertruck is not coming to market until next year, but sources at Tesla are telling Electrek that the electric pickup is already boosting sales and helping Tesla keeps its momentum in the US without the tax credit.For the first time, Tesla buyers don’t have access to any federal tax credit for buying a vehicle in the US.
It is raising questions about the automaker’s ability to maintain demand in the US after losing access to the incentive while other automakers can still take advantage of it.
Furthermore, the end of the incentive has pushed many buyers to place orders last year, which boosted sales last quarter and contributed to an anticipated slow down in deliveries in Q1 2020.
However, sources familiar with Tesla’s US sales told Electrek that the automaker’s management has given its North American sales team roughly the same delivery goal as the previous quarter.
They are reporting strong demand in the first quarter and sources attribute it, at least partly, to the Cybertruck unveiling in November of last year.
People with interest in the electric pickup truck are going in to talk about the vehicle and instead leaving thinking with the possibility of getting a Tesla model that they can get sooner.
When Tesla unveiled the Cybertruck, it created a lot of talk, mostly about how it looked. Some people focused more on the insane specs and price, but many were also talking about the unveiling itself.
Videos of the window breaking mishap have been seen by millions and Tesla embraced the mistake – even going as far as selling t-shirts featuring it.
One source told Electrek that some Cybertruck reservation holders are opting to lease a Model 3 until they can take delivery of their electric pickup truck – resulting in a boost of demand.
Those two electric trucks will have between 300 and 500 miles of range and be equipped with dual- and tri-motor powertrains and start at $49,000.
Electrek’s Take
I’m not gonna lie, that’s a bit surprising to me. I was confident in Tesla’s demand in the US starting later this year as Tesla starts volume deliveries of the Model Y, but I was expecting a significant drop in Q1.
Though now that they have pointed it out, the Cybertruck effect makes sense to me.
The good and the bad from the launch has resulted in many more people being introduced to electric vehicles and Tesla. Some of these people are now realizing that an electric vehicle might be an option for them and even though their main interest might be the Cybertruck, it’s not that surprising that they would now be more open to another EV, like the Model 3.
Now this Cybertruck effect might help Tesla’s US demand until they can start volume deliveries of the Model Y, which would be an almost perfect situation for the automaker.
Its a long video but interesting and informative to read about why the Cybertruck's suspension is game changing. Apparently even though Ram and Jeep offer air suspensions in their line up, they are no where near where Cybertruck is playing.
I still think the most impressive thing was that Model X taxi that went 400,000 miles without needing to replace any of its air bags. That is basically unheard of, to me.
A few weeks ago Elon Musk tweeted opinions about Giga Texas for Cybertruck production and now he’s scouting for locations in Central USA. Me thinks that when Tesla went to Texan authorities for negotiations, they must have given them the boot. That’s the reason for the new search.
Welp, guess the exotic steel body thing didn't last too long...
Elon Musk confirmed that Tesla plans to use a different alloy for the upcoming Cybertruck electric pickup.
When Tesla unveiled the Cybertruck last year, one of the most interesting features was the fact the vehicle isn’t going to be built using a traditional automotive body system but with an exoskeleton.
The automaker wrote about the exoskeleton:
“Cybertruck is built with an exterior shell made for ultimate durability and passenger protection. Starting with a nearly impenetrable exoskeleton, every component is designed for superior strength and endurance, from Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless-steel structural skin to Tesla armor glass.”
Tesla said that they were using the best steel they could make:
“If there was something better, we’d use it. Help eliminate dents, damage and long-term corrosion with a smooth monochrome exoskeleton that puts the shell on the outside of the car and provides you and your passengers maximum protection.”
At the launch, CEO Elon Musk said that it is using the same alloy as SpaceX’s next interplanetary spaceship:
“We’re going to be using the same alloy in the Starship rocket.”
Now on Twitter, the CEO of both Tesla and SpaceX confirmed that the alloy planned for the spacecraft has changed:
“We’re rapidly changing alloy constituents and forming methods, so traditional names like 304L will become more of an approximation.”
Musk then confirmed that the change will also trickle down to the Tesla Cybertruck:
They have been building material engineering teams to develop new advanced materials for their respective products.
It started in 2016 when we reported in an exclusive story that Elon Musk hired Apple’s alloy expert Charles Kuehmann to lead materials engineering at both of his companies simultaneously.
Kuehmann and his team have since been developing new alloys for both SpaceX and Tesla.
It sounds like the one planned for the Starship and Cybertruck is still evolving ahead of production.
The team also develops its own variations of existing alloys, like 304L. PSP describes 304L:
“Alloy 304L a T-300 series stainless steel austenitic, which has a minimum of 18% chromium and 8% nickel. Type 304L has a carbon maximum is 0.030. It is the standard “18/8 stainless” that is commonly found in pans and cooking tools. Alloys 304L is the most versatile and widely used alloy in the stainless steel family. Ideal for a wide variety of home and commercial applications, Alloys 304L exhibits excellent corrosion resistance and has a high ease of fabrication, outstanding formability. The austenitic stainless steels are also considered to be the most weldable of the high-alloy steels and can be welded by all fusion and resistance welding processes.”
Tesla is planning to bring the Cybertruck electric pickup to production in late 2021.
Apparently they are using a better material for both the starship and Cybertruck. I don’t understand what’s wrong with it? Timing doesn’t matter to me much. I’m expecting mine only about 4 years from now due to the wait list.
Apparently they are using a better material for both the starship and Cybertruck. I don’t understand what’s wrong with it? Timing doesn’t matter to me much. I’m expecting mine only about 4 years from now due to the wait list.
Dude, it's not "better" it's all marketing bullshit like I've been telling you and you're buying it completely. 18-8 steel is not that exotic, it's used in just about everything and I can 1000% assure you that it will dent, ding, scratch, and break just as much as the steel on your car today. The difference is in corrosion resistance. In fact, I bet that you'll find 304SS on your car right now in multiple locations. The DeLorean body is made out of 304SS.
Also, the BS about the fact that they "have" to design it like this because they can't bend the material is also total bullshit. I have stuff I'm working on that's made out of both 304 (18-8) and 316 stainless and it's formed into any damn shape we want pretty easily. We have some that start with a flat sheet and are formed completely round.
Dude, it's not "better" it's all marketing bullshit like I've been telling you and you're buying it completely. 18-8 steel is not that exotic, it's used in just about everything and I can 1000% assure you that it will dent, ding, scratch, and break just as much as the steel on your car today. The difference is in corrosion resistance. In fact, I bet that you'll find 304SS on your car right now in multiple locations. The DeLorean body is made out of 304SS.
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Are you talking about the same thickness of steel? The Delorean is different since it was very thin (even though same quality of steel) as they could mold it easily into shapes.
Also on stage that day, it didn’t bend or ding or scratch when It was hit with a sledgehammer multiple times. Are you suggesting that they used a different material for that prototype or that the entire show was a fake with ultralight sledgehammer...... the Ford panel did bend though.
Originally Posted by SamDoe1
Also, the BS about the fact that they "have" to design it like this because they can't bend the material is also total bullshit. I have stuff I'm working on that's made out of both 304 (18-8) and 316 stainless and it's formed into any damn shape we want pretty easily. We have some that start with a flat sheet and are formed completely round.
I leave this argument to you since you seem to have more expertise which metallurgy stuff.
May be you are right.
I’m not buying outright into anything. I’m simply cautiously optimistic with regards to Cybertruck.
I have no clue what they did on stage. Thickness will add strength but also weight and weight, especially for an EV, is really bad. Every extra tenth of a mm of thickness adds an exorbitant amount of weight because of the large surface area you're adding that thickness too. With a thick enough part of any material, you can resist a lot of things. There are thick polycarbonate panels that can withstand a bullet but also weigh a ton. Maybe the prototype was a thicker demo panel? No clue.
My point is that they've already started to backtrack on what they initially said. Expect that to continue for a good amount of time.
Tesla is set to complete the Texas Gigafactory for manufacturing Cybertruck on May 1.
The filings indicate substantial completion by May 1st, which means it is ready to be used for its intended purpose by that time.
Tesla is set to complete the Texas Gigafactory for manufacturing Cybertruck on May 1.
The filings indicate substantial completion by May 1st, which means it is ready to be used for its intended purpose by that time.
Ford sells more F150's every year in the US alone than Tesla has ever sold since its inception as a company. I hardly think they are shaking in their boots over the cybertruck.
Also, the cybertruck isn't real. No one knows the ratings, the reliability, the usefulness, etc. It's a trendy gimmick at this point.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
FYI about Eletreck: They're a pretty shitty source. All of their management are major shareholders in Tesla.
This. Electrek and Teslarati are like the OAN of the EV world.
Ford sells more F150's every year in the US alone than Tesla has ever sold since its inception as a company. I hardly think they are shaking in their boots over the cybertruck.
Also, the cybertruck isn't real. No one knows the ratings, the reliability, the usefulness, etc. It's a trendy gimmick at this point.
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