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it's legal in many countries already, and will eventually become legal in the US.
Honda is making a cute EV with cameras for mirrors, there are two screens at each edge of the dash that act as the side view mirrors, I've heard good things about this setup
Tesla recently informed California regulators that its upcoming Cybertruck will likely qualify as a Class 2B-3 medium-duty vehicle, hinting that the vehicle will have a gross weight rating of over 8,000 lbs. Tesla’s senior managing policy advisor Sarah Van Cleve detailed the company’s position in a letter dated Dec. 9 to the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
“While we have not yet begun production of the Cybertruck, we expect it to have a towing capacity of 7,500-14,000+ lbs., and it should very likely qualify as a ‘Class 2B-3 medium-duty vehicle,” the policy advisor wrote.
Class 2B pickup trucks are those with a gross vehicle weight of 8,501 lbs. to 10,000 lbs. This segment includes Ford’s F-250, the Chevrolet Silverado 2500, and the Ram 2500. This also puts to rest any doubts on the viral tug-of-war video featuring a Cybertruck versus an F-150, which was showcased during Tesla’s unveiling of the vehicle
In the same letter to CARB, Tesla also pushed for the strengthening of the Advanced Clean Truck rules in the state. The company also recommended stricter sales requirements for Class 2B-3 pickup truck manufacturers so California can meet both state and federal clean air requirements.
“Tesla appreciates CARB’s continued leadership in developing innovative clean air policies like the Advanced Clean Truck rule. However, we urge CARB to set more ambitious zero-emission vehicle sales percentages right from the start of the regulation given the urgency of California’s emissions reductions requirements and the fact that the truck industry can move more quickly,” Tesla wrote.
Recently, there was another viral video where YouTubers put a Ford F-150 Raptor against a Tesla Model X P100D in a tug-of-war match. With access to instant torque, the Model X was able to move the Ford F-150 but naysayers point to the difference between the off-road tires on the Raptor and the Model X’s tires, which are perfectly suited for pavement.
It is yet to be seen if there will be a rematch between the Cybertruck and a Ford truck but the Tesla all-electric pickup truck will likely prove to be a towing monster that can instantly use mass amounts of torque, unlike traditional trucks like the F-150. Tesla CEO Elon Musk mentioned this on a previous tweet to stress this point. “Electric motors also have insane torque. If we load both trucks to the max, electric still wins. Physics is the law, everything else is a recommendation,” Musk wrote.
Likewise, a cost of ownership analysis put on spotlight the benefits of owning a Tesla Cybertruck compared to owning a Ford F-150 or any gas-powered pickup for that matter. In California, the upcoming electric pickup truck from Tesla is expected to have a total cost of ownership of $53,379 over five years while the popular Ford truck will cost $72,459. That’s a difference of $19,080 spread over a five-year ownership period.
Is the F250 physically bigger than F150 or it has the same cab with a bigger cargo bed with upgraded engine and mechanicals? Is that the one with six wheels?
Is the F250 physically bigger than F150 or it has the same cab with a bigger cargo bed with upgraded engine and mechanicals? Is that the one with six wheels?
Who wanna buy the Porsche Taycan Turbo S with only 201 miles of range & cost $185K (w/o options)? Or using the same amount of to get a Performance Tesla Model 3 + Performance Model Y + CyberTruck Tri Motor (2.9 sec) with $9600 left in the pocket?
A lot of people. Demand has exceeded expectations.
And we're talking real orders, not frivolous preorders.
Do you have any numbers to back up the claim? It’d be nice to see real competition to Tesla in that case. Maybe it spurr Tesla to speed up the refresh of Model S.
A lot of people. Demand has exceeded expectations.
And we're talking real orders, not frivolous preorders.
That was before people learned it only had 201 mi range, they were led to believe it was much higher. Also demand is in the low 10s of thousands, basically a quarter or two of Model S yearly sales.
Reminder, EPA range tests are done by the manufacturer not the EPA or an independent party, it's still only 201 miles, and it still costs $151,000. Sad.
That was before people learned it only had 201 mi range, they were led to believe it was much higher. Also demand is in the low 10s of thousands, basically a quarter or two of Model S yearly sales.
Reminder, EPA range tests are done by the manufacturer not the EPA or an independent party, it's still only 201 miles, and it still costs $151,000. Sad.
So at least it is selling in decent numbers due to Porsche’s brand catchet. Just like expensive poorly performing equipment/ jewelry. Lol.
What are the actual sale numbers of Model S?
Do you have any numbers to back up the claim? It’d be nice to see real competition to Tesla in that case. Maybe it spurr Tesla to speed up the refresh of Model S.
Google Porsche Taycan orders. They had to scale up the factory to handle the demand.
Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
That was before people learned it only had 201 mi range, they were led to believe it was much higher. Also demand is in the low 10s of thousands, basically a quarter or two of Model S yearly sales.
Reminder, EPA range tests are done by the manufacturer not the EPA or an independent party, it's still only 201 miles, and it still costs $151,000. Sad.
People buying this car aren't going to give a flying fuck about the range. Most of them have a fleet of gas cars to drive around. Initial demand in the 10's of thousands for a car that costs $150k before options is enormous...
That's not a legal mirror. In fact, it's not a mirror at all.
Originally Posted by Majofo
butt hurt kurt
Here you go Kurt, I'm sure you're ok with this because it's Audi
When it launches, the new 2020 Audi E-Tron will feature what the company calls "virtual exterior mirrors" as an option. The system will use small exterior side cameras whose images are displayed on 7-inch OLED screens in the cabin.
We’ve learned a lot about the Tesla Cybertruck, but there are still a number of open questions. Tesla CEO Elon Musk went to Twitter to answer a few tonight, showing several ways that the Cybertruck could become an ultimate camping machine.
In response to a fan, Musk stated that the Cybertruck’s heating and air conditioning system will work in the truck’s bed area when the cover is closed, that the bed should be accessible from second-row seating, and that the Cybertruck will likely have Tesla’s “bioweapon defense mode” air filtering system.
We’ve talked before about the possibilities of camping with the Cybertruck. This mostly focused on third-party add-ons, like fifth-wheel campers that could be towed by the Cybertruck.
But without add-ons, the Cybertruck should already be great. Current Tesla vehicles already have a “camper mode” that allows the AC and heating to stay on all night, keeping the car cool or warm depending on the outside environment.
This uses energy from the battery, but given that Teslas have such large batteries, it’s usually enough to run overnight. This will be particularly true with the Cybertruck and its even-larger battery. If connected to an off-board power source like an RV hookup, the car can also charge up while running HVAC.
We’re sure Tesla will have a camper mode, but it looks like Tesla is working on making Cybertruck even better as a camper mode vehicle. In a Twitter thread posted a couple weeks ago, an owner asked for several features, which Musk stated were “some good ideas.” There are certainly some good ideas there, though we’re not sure which ones will make it into production software.
Previously, we weren’t sure whether the second row and bed had a pass-through, but seeing videos of the bed cover rolling down suggested that perhaps, if the window behind the second row could be opened, it might be possible to reach (or even climb) fully into the bed while the cover is closed.
At the very least, we know that HVAC will cover the closed bed. This means “camper mode” could be used to keep the bed warm or cool when people are using it for camping purposes.
For the next two questions, Musk answered that the bed will “probably” be accessible from the second row, and the car will “partially” have “bioweapon defense mode,” which is present on Model S and X.
It’s possible that Musk swapped these two answers, since “partially” seems a more appropriate answer for access (i.e., a small window) and “probably” seems a more appropriate answer for bioweapon defense mode (they may not have fully engineered the seals for the bed cover and strength of HVAC yet).
Or perhaps he means that the cabin will have bioweapon defense and the bed won’t, and that they haven’t decided yet on whether to have full second-row access to the bed.
Regardless, the picture we are getting from these answers is that Cybertruck will be fantastic for camping. Even without the camper add-on, there would be a good amount of room in the bed to sleep (more than in the Model S), and it would be usable even in hot or very cold weather due to the ability to use HVAC.
Plus, if you park it out in the wilderness, then nobody can see you driving such a…“controversial”-looking vehicle. So, that’s a plus.
What do you think about the Cybertruck’s camping possibilities? Have any other clever ideas for add-ons? Let us know in the comments below.
If copying is the highest form of flattery, the Tesla Cybertruck must be feeling pretty peachy at this moment in time. Regardless of all the hullabaloo about its design, the thing certainly has captured the world's attention. Not only did it garner a fair amount of preorders (the exact numbers are iffy due to the faulty ordering system), it's inspired others to create toys, matching bunkers, and crappy "replicas." The latter of the bunch recently popped up overseas, and somebody caught it on video.
After the Cybertruck debuted, there was much discussion about whether or not the hard surfaces, boxy angles, and sharp edges could actually make it to production. Thus far, according to professionals, it doesn't seem likely. Stefan Teller, an expert with the SGS-TÜV Saarland in Germany, believes the design is literally too harsh to safely deal with inevitable collisions with pedestrians. As a key part of overseas automotive regulations, this could prevent the truck from selling in Europe. That's for legit Cybertrucks made by Tesla. Knock-offs? That's a different story.
There's a very good chance that the driver in this video, which was taken in Moscow, isn't particularly concerned about pedestrian safety. Or intellectual property. There's not much information on the clip, but it appears to have originated from @sukhotin.m and was reposted by several other popular accounts.
It's difficult to tell which car the replica is based on, but the body looks fairly on point, considering the truck only debuted a month ago. It even has a functional rear light bar and license plate. Check it out for yourself below.
Tow 5Thousandddd fucking pounds.. up a MILE.. and over 100 fucking miles.. @75 MPH!?!?!
Is this guy serious.. what a dumbass.. and his computation proved it's still capable
The only reasonable trek I think this applies is if you're hauling a big ass boat from Sacramento to Lake Tahoe
I'm talking fucking big ass boat.. the max rating on most trailers is 3500 lbs
For comparison, this fifth wheel is 5000 lbs
Then this dumbass is like hey.. let's check out the cybertruck
But have it tow 14Thousannddd fucking pounds under the same parameters!!!
Example (1 mile up, 100 miles out, 75MPH!!!):
And then to say an F150 only requires 14% of the energy to do the same..
Really.. we're expected to believe an F150 will tow the same load.. the same distance.. the same elevation
And only require a little over an 1/8th tank of gas
Oh btw... F150 isn't actually rated to tow that much.
And.. the again.. he fucking proves the Tesla can do it.. and have juice to space.
I know that guy has a ME, but so does Gatr.. nuff said.
Fucking clickbait dipshit
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Finally watched the video, everything Jason did calculations and equations are legit, anyone in high school physics and math should understand everything he assumed and calculated.
Some folks may prefer Joules to KwH, but most EV analysis use KW and KWH for power and energy
Jason can be annoying but he does present his information in a clear concise manner.
As for the F150, 2020's towing capacity is from 7700lb to 13200lb, 5000lb trailer is no problem.
Towed a Bobcat a few years ago with a friend's F150, it was ~7000lb for trailer and Bobcat.
Finally watched the video, everything Jason did calculations and equations are legit, anyone in high school physics and math should understand everything he assumed and calculated.
Some folks may prefer Joules to KwH, but most EV analysis use KW and KWH for power and energy
Jason can be annoying but he does present his information in a clear concise manner.
As for the F150, 2020's towing capacity is from 7700lb to 13200lb, 5000lb trailer is no problem.
Towed a Bobcat a few years ago with a friend's F150, it was ~7000lb for trailer and Bobcat.
You missed the part where he upped the tow from 5000 to 14000 lbs (max rating for cybertruck), and as you posted, 14,000 > 13,200 (max rating for F150)
His math isn't in question
It's his logic, he's a clickbait whore
His logic is fine, he choose a test case which was pretty simple but proved his point of energy usage and recovery.
You can debate the attitude and speed but both are within somewhat reasonable scenarios.
You missed the part where he upped the tow from 5000 to 14000 lbs (max rating for cybertruck), and as you posted, 14,000 > 13,200 (max rating for F150)
At 13:18 Jason noted the 13200 max rating of the F150
At 13:18 Jason noted the 13200 max rating of the F150
The area where he was deceiving was the total energy stored in either car. Initially the difference looks so gross. Yes gasoline has more energy but it can't be used by the ICE due to it's inherent inefficiency. Basically he is highlighting that fact that you have "X" amount in your bank (but the fine print is - you can't take it all because 80% is taxable).
The fact is F150 is only slightly more capable than Cybertruck via his calculations - and not the huge difference what he projected out at first. And that too while towing lower weight than Cybertruck. It's a wash in my opinion.
His logic is fine, he choose a test case which was pretty simple but proved his point of energy usage and recovery.
You can debate the attitude and speed but both are within somewhat reasonable scenarios.
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
At 13:18 Jason noted the 13200 max rating of the F150
Which is 8200 lbs more than your 5000 lbs assertion
And still 800 lbs less than his assertion
That's a fucking horse
Then this dumbass is like hey.. let's check out the cybertruck
But have it tow 14Thousannddd fucking pounds under the same parameters!!!
Example (1 mile up, 100 miles out, 75MPH!!!):
I clearly posted in text and included a pic of an equivalent load
The area where he was deceiving was the total energy stored in either car. Initially the difference looks so gross. Yes gasoline has more energy but it can't be used by the ICE due to it's inherent inefficiency. Basically he is highlighting that fact that you have "X" amount in your bank (but the fine print is - you can't take it all because 80% is taxable).
The fact is F150 is only slightly more capable than Cybertruck via his calculations - and not the huge difference what he projected out at first. And that too while towing lower weight than Cybertruck. It's a wash in my opinion.
F150 is slightly more capable...that sucks when the comparable Ford truck is a F250 that can tow even more.
Either way, an EV to tow right now is not a great idea. TFL did a tow test with their Model X over some mountain pass in Colorado, it finished it but it was sketchy. I wouldn't have the same level of panic on range with a gas truck.
Also, towing capability is one thing, the ability to do it for longer distances is another.
F150 is slightly more capable...that sucks when the comparable Ford truck is a F250 that can tow even more.
Either way, an EV to tow right now is not a great idea. TFL did a tow test with their Model X over some mountain pass in Colorado, it finished it but it was sketchy. I wouldn't have the same level of panic on range with a gas truck.
Also, towing capability is one thing, the ability to do it for longer distances is another.
Now that all these "Tesla killers" are coming to market and failing they're finally showing the lead that Tesla has over all other companies. Tesla has a 10 year lead on this tech, they've been working on it tirelessly for over a decade, to assume that all these companies with no EV experience and no EV expertise were just going to easily kill Tesla with their first cars is foolish. Tesla is generations ahead of everyone else and the Taycan, etron, I-Pace, and now ID.3 debacle shows it. Everyone is going to have similar struggles like Tesla did in order to catch up. ICEV manufacturing expertise does not correlate to EV manufacturing expertise.
12-13-2019, 08:36 AM
if I wanted my Porsche to sound like an STI, I would just get an STI
It's Elan Muskanov
, your original response didn't say which limit. He spent most of the video on the 5000lb load so that's what I assumed you meant.
