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Old 01-01-2006 | 03:15 AM
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Solstice GXP

LOS ANGELES – Pontiac ’s product resurgence zooms forward with the introduction of the 2007 Solstice GXP, the performance version of its in-demand Solstice roadster, at the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.
“The Solstice GXP pushes the production Solstice to the next level with a 47-percent boost in horsepower, and demonstrates how GM is working on all fronts to build and sell exciting products for diverse audiences,” said Mark LaNeve, General Motors North America vice president of Vehicle Sales, Service and Marketing.

Solstice GXP features GM’s all-new Ecotec 2.0-liter turbo, the most powerful production engine in the Ecotec family.* This turbo with direct injection kicks a V-6’s worth of power out of a four-cylinder engine, an estimated 260 horsepower (194 kw) and 260 lb.-ft. (353 Nm) of torque.*

The performance roadster will feature GM’s StabiliTrak four-channel electronic stability control system. It will debut in the summer and is expected to be priced about $4,000 to $5,000 above the base Solstice.

Solstice GXP will be on display with the Solstice, which features a powerful Ecotec 2.4L engine rated at 177 horsepower (132 kw) and is matched to a close-ratio five-speed manual transmission. The driver-oriented ****************pit interior features motorcycle-inspired instruments.

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Turbo ECOTEC

PONTIAC , Mich. – General Motors introduces the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP, making it GM’s first direct injection offering in North America . Gasoline direct injection technology helps the Ecotec engine produce more power while maintaining the lower fuel consumption of a small displacement port-injected engine. It produces 260 horsepower (194 kW) and 260 lb.-ft. of torque (353 Nm),* making it GM’s highest specific output engine ever, at 2.1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement (130 hp / 97 kW per liter), and the most powerful production engine in the Ecotec family.

Variable valve timing and an intercooled, twin-scroll turbocharging system are used to optimize the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine’s performance. It was developed with the global resources of GM Powertrain in the United States and Europe , drawing on expertise from the naturally aspirated Ecotec 2.2-liter direct injection engine used in some European applications and the 2.0-liter turbocharged engines already in production.

With direct injection, fuel is delivered directly to the combustion chamber to create a more complete burn of the air/fuel mixture. Less fuel is required to produce the equivalent horsepower, especially at normal cruising speeds, of a conventional port-injection combustion system.

“Direct injection technology works well with turbocharging and helps deliver a great balance of power and economy,” said Ed Groff, assistant chief engineer, Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine. “The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo produces the power expected of a V-6, but in a smaller, more efficient package – and the driving response is simply terrific.”

A dual-scroll turbocharger with a lightweight turbine provides nearly instant power and an air-to-air intercooling system bolsters the turbo’s performance by reducing inlet temperatures. Dual cam phasing complements the turbocharging system by optimizing valve timing at lower rpm for best turbo response and quick engine torque build-up time.

The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo uses a stronger, “Gen II” Ecotec engine block, which was developed with input from racing experience to support increased horsepower and torque. The cylinder block bulkheads – the areas where the main bearing caps are attached – and the bore walls are enlarged for strength. Other areas of the engine were enhanced to reinforce the structure and the water jacket is deeper for added cooling capacity and improved cylinder bore roundness. This architecture is shared with the 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that debuted in the Pontiac Solstice roadster.

Highlights of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine include:

* Steel crankshaft
* Forged connecting rods
* Forged oil-galley pistons
* Jet-spray piston cooling
* 9.2:1 compression ratio
* Aluminum cylinder head with sodium-filled exhaust valves
* High-pressure engine-driven fuel pump
* Variable pressure fuel rail
* Dual-scroll turbocharger

Components including the steel crankshaft, forged connecting rods and forged pistons are high-strength items that provide strength and enhance durability. Jet-spray oil cooling directed toward an oil-galley piston help reduce piston temperatures. The system delivers pressurized oil to continuously lubricate and cool the pistons, which reduces friction and noise and ensures durability for the engine’s higher power levels. To enhance combustion, the piston tops feature a dish shape that deflects injected fuel toward the spark plugs.

To accommodate the direct injection system, the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo has a unique cylinder head and intake manifold. The cylinder head incorporates mounting locations for the fuel injectors – which are typically mounted in the intake ports or intake manifold on port injection engines. A high-pressure fuel pump delivers fuel to a variable-pressure fuel rail. Fuel enters the combustion chamber through precision multi-hole fuel injectors. The fuel pump, fuel rail pressure, fuel injection timing, and injection duration are controlled by the engine control module. In this way, fuel is metered and delivered in a finely atomized spray.

Apart from the mounting positions of the fuel injectors, the cylinder head has conventional port and combustion chamber designs, although both are optimized for direct injection and high boost pressures. The sodium-filled exhaust valves and stainless steel exhaust manifold are durable components designed to stand up to the high-performance capability of the engine.

The unique cylinder head, fuel system, pistons, intake manifold, and the dual-scroll turbocharger are the only major components that differentiate the 2.0-liter Turbo from other members of the Ecotec engine family. Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil is installed at the factory. Synthetic oil was selected for its friction-reducing capabilities and high-temperature performance.

How direct injection works

Gasoline direct injection differs from the fuel delivery process of a conventional engine by delivering fuel directly into the combustion chamber, where it is mixed with air drawn in to the chamber. The combustion process of conventional fuel injected engines uses air and fuel that are mixed in the intake port or intake manifold prior to being introduced into the combustion chamber. Direct injection is a continuation of the evolutionary process of moving the fuel introduction point closer to the combustion location to improve control.

With the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo, fuel is introduced directly to the combustion chamber during the intake stroke. As the piston approaches top-dead center, the mixture is ignited by the spark plug, giving the name spark ignition direct injection (SIDI). The fuel injectors are located beneath the intake ports. SIDI allows the mixture to be “leaner” – less fuel, more air – at full power. SIDI also permits a slightly higher compression ratio than if the fuel were delivered with conventional fuel injection. The result is better fuel consumption at part and full throttle. The engine uses conventional spark plugs similar to other Ecotec engines.

A high-pressure, returnless fuel system is employed. It features a high-strength stainless steel fuel line that feeds a variable-pressure fuel rail. Direct injection requires higher fuel pressure than conventional fuel injected engines and an engine-driven high-pressure fuel pump is used to supply up to 1,276 psi (150 bar) of pressure. The system regulates lower fuel pressure at idle – approximately 752 psi (50 bar) and higher pressure at wide-open throttle. The cam-driven high-pressure pumps works in conjunction with a conventional fuel tank-mounted supply pump.

Direct injection’s precise fuel delivery enables more complete combustion to help reduce emissions, particularly on cold starts – the time when most engine emissions are typically created. Also, direct injection permits higher a compression ratio in the engine which is a positive influence on fuel economy. At certain power levels, the boosted SIDI engine can provide significant fuel economy benefits to the vehicle compared to a larger displacement naturally aspirated engine.

Turbocharging system

A unique, dual-scroll turbocharger is partnered with an air-to-air intercooling system to provide up to approximately 20 psi (1.25 bar) of power-enhancing boost. The dual-scroll turbocharger delivers nearly instant response, as dual exhaust passages from the engine to the turbine housing guide exhaust gas to the turbine. This reduces lag time, or spool-up, at low rpm.

“There is virtually no lag with this system,” said Groff. “Throttle response is immediate. The engine acts like a larger displacement engine.”

The turbocharger is matched to the engine’s displacement and performance objectives. It is supported by the air-to-air intercooling system, which uses fresh air drawn through a heat exchanger to reduce the temperature of the warmer compressed air forced through the intake system by the turbocharger. Inlet temperature is reduced by approximately 212 degrees (100 degrees C), enhancing performance because cooler air is denser and promotes optimal combustion.

Dual cam phasing

The camshafts of the Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo engine have phasers that support the continuously variable intake and exhaust valve timing. They also have cam position sensors, so that the engine control module can accurately control valve timing. The crankshaft and camshaft position sensors are digital. A new engine controller, specific to the engine, is used to sense and control the engine’s performance parameters.

Variable intake and exhaust timing works synergistically with both the gasoline direct injection and turbocharging systems. The variable engine timing enabled by cam phasing allows the combustion process to be optimized. Also, valve “overlap” at low rpm can be adjusted by the controller to increase the response of the turbocharger, providing a more immediate feeling of power.

Ecotec family traits

The Ecotec 2.0-liter Turbo is built on a global platform that was designed at the outset for a range of performance and combustion capabilities. The Gen II block supports the high-performance demands of the engine, but it is merely a strengthened version of the original Ecotec architecture. The oil pump, for example, is the same as used in all other Ecotec engines. It was originally designed to support high-performance applications of future engines.

“The 2.0-liter Turbo is the pinnacle of Ecotec performance to date, with additional growth planned. The groundwork for its capabilities was layed on the drawing table at the very beginning of the Ecotec’s development,” said Groff. “Prior work and a far-thinking engine design continue to help GM respond to market demands around the globe more quickly and with greater accuracy.”

This new Ecotec family member also has traits that have helped forge a reputation for durability and sophistication:

* Dual overhead camshafts (DOHC) and four valves per cylinder
* Twin counter-rotating balance shafts for operational smoothness
* Electronic throttle control
* Low-friction, roller-finger follower valvetrain with hydraulic lash adjusters
* Low-maintenance chain-drive for the camshafts
* 58X crankshaft positioning
* Direct-mount accessories, which reduce or eliminate traditional sources of noise and vibration
* Full-circle transmission mount to reduce noise and vibration
* GM Oil Life System, which can reduce the frequency for oil changes
* Innovative cast-in oil filter housing, which eliminates the need to crawl under the vehicle to perform oil changes and eliminates throwaway oil filter cans that retain used oil

As with other engines in the Ecotec family, the 2.0-liter Turbo engine also has premium features designed to ensure smooth and quiet operation, including a polymer coating and skirt design for the pistons that reduces noise during cold starts. An automatic hydraulic tensioner also is used to maintain optimal tension on the timing chain, which reduces noise and vibration.


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Old 01-01-2006 | 05:20 AM
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Very nice...

But where's the boost gauge?

Hope they do a Saturn Redline Variant...
Old 01-01-2006 | 06:30 AM
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Pretty damn good overall

But hows it going to look with a front license plate
Old 01-01-2006 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bl^5

But where's the boost gauge?

Hope they do a Saturn Redline Variant...
Yeah, it needs a full set of gauges.......

There will be a Redline variant.
Old 01-01-2006 | 02:18 PM
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I am sure there will be a Redline Sky out. I am guessing that there eventually there will be a model above the GXP with even more power, by GM.
Old 01-01-2006 | 06:27 PM
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I am sure there will be a Redline Sky out. I am guessing that there eventually there will be a model above the GXP with even more power, by GM.
Yeah. A V8 powered one!!!
Old 01-01-2006 | 11:53 PM
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motherfuck. Thats Beautiful! Go Pontiac!
Old 01-03-2006 | 01:09 AM
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See guys! DFI with turbos! It's so good. Even GM is doing it!
Old 01-03-2006 | 10:09 AM
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See guys! DFI with turbos! It's so good. Even GM is doing it!
And they're doing it now, not 6 years from now

It must REALLY be good
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So, I am guessing 14.0 for the 1/4 mile for the GXP?
Old 01-03-2006 | 01:59 PM
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Old 01-03-2006 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
So, I am guessing 14.0 for the 1/4 mile for the GXP?
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Solstice GXP run mid 13's in the 1/4 mile with a good driver behind the wheel.

Can't wait to see what mods can do with this turbo Solstice.
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Solstice GXP run mid 13's in the 1/4 mile with a good driver behind the wheel.

Can't wait to see what mods can do with this turbo Solstice.

Oh with the mods this thing will get into the 10s in less than a year. We will see these compete with Papadakis' car/s in a few...
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Planned Scarcity - - GM to limit production of Solstice, G6 convertible in effort to strengthen residuals, avoid incentives - - By LAURA CLARK GEIST | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS - - Source: Autoweek

GRAND BLANC, Mich. -- Pontiac will limit production of the Solstice and new G6 convertible to strengthen their residual values and avoid offering incentives, officials say.

"That's part of the positioning -- to keep the car where people want it," John Larson, Buick-Pontiac-GMC general manager, said at a press event here last week.

The Solstice roadster debuted during the 2006 model year. It has a backlog of 6,000 sold orders, Larson told Automotive News. A G6 convertible typically stays on a dealership lot for five days before it sells, he said.

General Motors has said it plans to build 17,000 Solstices for the 2006 model year and produce 20,000 Solstice and high-performance Solstice GXP units in the 2007 model year. As of June 1, the Solstice had 1,500 units in inventory and a 21-day supply.

GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said last month that potential demand for the Solstice is as high as 35,000 units a year. Lutz said GM may boost production at its assembly plant in Wilmington, Del., which builds the Solstice, Saturn Sky and Opel GT.

But Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson said production would increase only if sales of the roadsters are sustained.

Raj Sundaram, president of Automotive Lease Guide, said the Solstice's residual value is one of Pontiac's highest in a "very long period." Sundaram's company, which sets residual values for the industry, predicts the base-model Solstice will hold 54 percent of its sticker price after three years.

A residual value of more than 50 percent is considered outstanding.

"When you're one vehicle short, there's no question it's going to help residual values," Sundaram said.

The G6 GT convertible has a three-year residual value of 45 percent, he said.

Dennis Maraone, Pontiac's product director, said GM plans to build about 15,000 G6 convertibles a year at its assembly plant in Orion Township, Mich.

Said Maraone: "We want to maintain the integrity of the vehicle and make sure that it's always in high demand."
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This is great news ... They'll have to do this in the short term but as the residuals go up across the board and the brands rebound they can start increasing production again.
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^ Agreed. It's a good strategy, and one that will work well for Pontiac.
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I think if/when the GXP version, with these specs becomes available, it will suck sales away, like a hoover, from the s2k. Same goes for the miata with the base version.

I'd take a Sky w/260hp/260lbs over an s2k without even thinking about it, power/looks/ and already proven handling.
Does this guy just make dumbass comments in all threads or what? Your comparing a car that isn't even out (or at least has yet to be reviewed) to a race-bred car that has already proven itself. Unless the GXP/Redline twins improve upon their handling, they're not going to be in the same league as an S2K.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
Does this guy just make dumbass comments in all threads or what? Your comparing a car that isn't even out (or at least has yet to be reviewed) to a race-bred car that has already proven itself. Unless the GXP/Redline twins improve upon their handling, they're not going to be in the same league as an S2K.
Well it's pretty obvious in that statement as to where you send your fanboi dues each month
Old 06-13-2006 | 11:08 AM
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This is great news ... They'll have to do this in the short term but as the residuals go up across the board and the brands rebound they can start increasing production again.
For the Solstice, I could see this working. For the G6 vert, I have a hard time accepting that this strategy will work well. They have to generate enough interest in the G6 to accomplish this and thus far, all the automotive press reviews of the G6 convertible have made it sound rather mediocre.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Well it's pretty obvious in that statement as to where you send your fanboi dues each month
haha - but in all seriousness its impossible to compare the two UNTIL the GXP is released, yet that dbag "heyitsme" has already declared that the GXP will mop the floor with an S2k.
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GXP Pricing Released

New Turbocharged Roadster to Sell for Under $26K

Detroit - At the height of the summer solstice, Pontiac today announced that the turbocharged 2007 Solstice GXP will carry a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $25,995, including a $600 destination charge. The 260-horsepower roadster arrives in Pontiac dealerships this fall.

Powered by GM's new direct injection, turbocharged 2.0-liter Ecotec engine, the Solstice GXP adds a 47 percent boost of power to augment the road-gripping performance and seductive styling already available in the base model roadster.

"The passion customers have for the Solstice continues to amaze us and we have been sold out of the 2006 models for the past couple of months," said Mark-Hans Richer, Pontiac marketing director. "There's already a waiting list for the 2007 models, so we believe the GXP will only extend the Solstice's position as the top-selling roadster in the U.S., proving that a domestic car can retake a segment previously dominated by imports."

Model year to date through May, Pontiac has sold 15,145 Solstices, outselling the closest competitor in the segment by more than 2,600 units. Solstice remains one of the industry's hottest selling cars, contributing to a 20 percent increase in Pontiac showroom traffic since the beginning of the year and double digit percent sales gains in key coastal markets.

Pontiac is a division of General Motors Corporation (NYSE: GM) and markets the G6 sedan, coupe and retractable hardtop convertible, GTO, Solstice roadster, Torrent SUV, Grand Prix, and Vibe. Later in 2006, Pontiac will introduce the turbocharged Solstice GXP roadster and G5 sports coupe. Pontiac sold more than 437,000 vehicles in 2005, ranking third among GM divisions in total sales.
Old 06-21-2006 | 01:20 PM
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GXP Pricing Released
Awesome! they kept the price right around where they said they would.

What going to suck is the huge dealer markup that is going to be placed on them


I WANT ONE!!!
Old 06-21-2006 | 10:10 PM
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2007 Pontiac Solstice

Base Model Prices / Destination / Total MSRP

2MB67 Solstice 2 Door Roadster.......$20,395.00...$600.00...$20,995
2MG67 Solstice GXP 2Door Roadster..$25,395.00...$600.00...$25,995

Option Packages


PCM Preferred Package-Base............$625.00 (standard GXP)
PCQ Premium Package--Base.............$690.00
PCQ Premium Package--GXP..............$525.00
Z0K Club Sport Package-Base...........$1,095.00
ZQ3 Convenience Package-Base........$465.00 (standard GXP)

Additional Options

C60 Air Conditioning.........................$960.00

U2K XM Satellite Radio......................$199.00
UQ3 Monsoon Premium Audi.o System...$395.00
US8 AM/FM Radio w/CD & MP3 Player...$195.00
US9 AM/FM Radio w/6-Disc Cd
....Changer w/MP3 Player..................$495.00

JL9 Anti-Lock Brakes.........................$400.00 (standard GXP)

G80 Limited Slip Rear Differential.........$195.00 (standard GXP)

B32 Carpeted Floor Mats...................$60.00 (standard GXP)

AZ5 Premium Acoustic Headliner..........$150.00

UE1 OnStar Service..........................$695.00

34U Premium Paint YELLOW............$195.00

JF5 Sport Metallic Pedals...................$115.00

DT4 Smokers Package.......................$40.00

D52 Rear Spoiler..............................$275.00

MX0 5-Speed Automatic Transmission..$850.00

PD5 18" Chrome-Plated Aluminum
....Wheels.......GXP......................... $545.00
PD5 18" Chrome-Plated Aluminum
....Wheels.......Base.........................$795 .00
QF8 18" Polished Aluminum Wheels......$545.00 (standard GXP
Old 06-21-2006 | 10:24 PM
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I have no idea why this car makes me drool so much...but I fucking want one.

I need to fucking get on bigger shows...
Old 08-23-2006 | 10:43 AM
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Future Products—Pontiac - - Source: Autoweek

A coupe is scheduled to be added for the 2008 model year. Higher-horsepower engines are planned for the future, but a V-6 is not. The Solstice likely will be re-engineered for the 2011 model year.
Old 08-23-2006 | 10:45 AM
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Again, GM is rumored to be testing a 300HP+ version of the DI 2.0L engine in the GXP.
Old 08-23-2006 | 12:08 PM
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^ Yeah. Looking forward to seeing the GXP. That's alot of power in that little car.
Old 08-26-2006 | 10:53 PM
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MT mag has a comparo of the Solstice GXP, the 350Z and the Z4 3.0Si

The GXP wins mostly because of its price with the Z4 second and the Nissan third.

Some numbers:

0-60mph
Z4 = 5.1
350Z = 5.7
GXP = 5.5

1/4 mile
Z4 = 13.8@100.1
350Z = 14.3@98.7
GXP = 14.1@98.7

60-0
Z4 = 104ft
350Z = 112
GXP = 121

Lateral Acc.
Z4 = 0.94g
350Z = 0.90g
GXP = 0.89g

Price as tested
Z4 = 50K
350Z = 38K
GXP = 26.6K

Lap times
Z4 = 2.4 seconds quicker than the Nissan
350Z = 1.38.3
GXP = 1.6 seconds qucker than the Nissan
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The GXP's engine makes 260HP at only 5300rpm and 260lbs-ft at only 2000 rpm. The mag says turbo lag not a big issue.
Old 08-27-2006 | 12:35 AM
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Nice. Maybe in a few years, I'll consider this or a GTO.
Old 08-27-2006 | 12:54 PM
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Look at the price compared to the other two! No wonder why it won. If someone is just looking for performance, this is the better choice than the 350Z, if you like the looks of the car.
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Good job Pontiac
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I'm wondering how it would compare to an S2000 (soltice gxp vs. s2k). Any thoughts on this?

THe GXP ran a 14.1 through the quarter and the best I've seen for an S2k is 13.8.

I also know that an S2K was quicker around most/all tracks than a Z4 3.0 based on all comparos that I've read. However the article features the 3.0si version which was a bit quicker than the GXP. I'm thinking that around a track a 3.0si and a S2k would be dead even, which leads me to believe that an S2k might be a bit quicker overall than a GXP.

EDIT: The S2k and GXP are pretty close to each other in terms of price (once the GXP is loaded with a LSD and power windows, locks, etc. like the S2k. Figure a difference of 3 - 4k.
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OK I am impressed with what pontiac put out. But when I go to the BMW/Honda/Nissan dealer in the middle of Nashville they throw me into whatever car I want and give me prices/lease rates on them. When I go to the pontiac dealer they wouldn't let me drive a REGULAR solstice, they told me the wait would be at least 3 months and to expect to pay about $3-5g over sticker. So I guess if you can get it, and get it at that price, it is a steal. Does anyone know the GXP production #'s?
Old 08-27-2006 | 11:04 PM
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Not sure if the same, but my father-in-law rented a G6 V6. The red lighting inside and the 3 spoke steering wheels seemed nice. I was surprised by the interior vs the 03 Grand Am which was crap.
Old 08-28-2006 | 11:08 AM
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My neighbor has a Soltice and it's pretty hot. He went to the dealer the week before Mother's day and had it the Saturday before. If you want to order one there is a wait, but if you're flexible... you can get one pretty easily. He just knew he wanted white, and manual... and that was it. So they found one in TN and had it shipped over. Picked it up, and had it for Mother's Day, so he gave it to his wife Sunday... no problems. Even got it for $250 below MSRP....

Anyway, I love that car. I've been really eyeing up a pre-owned Boxster S, however, I keep going back to the Soltice for some reason. Glad to see the GXP perform so well. Since I'm about a year away from getting one, I'll have to keep this on the list. Should be able to get good deals next year on a low mileage pre-owned GXP....
Old 08-28-2006 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Nice. Maybe in a few years, I'll consider this or a GTO.

There may not be a GTO in a few years. Get it now.
Old 08-28-2006 | 11:40 AM
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for some reason Pontiac thinks they are the shit. I went to the Pontiac dealer with my Trnas Am hoping to test drive a GTO. I wanted a daily driver and the GTO is a comfy car with power. They wouldnt let me go near one. Then a few months later that same guy called me back to come and test drive the car, and that the price was 26,999. I said no thanks.
Old 08-28-2006 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bigman
for some reason Pontiac thinks they are the shit. I went to the Pontiac dealer with my Trnas Am hoping to test drive a GTO. I wanted a daily driver and the GTO is a comfy car with power. They wouldnt let me go near one. Then a few months later that same guy called me back to come and test drive the car, and that the price was 26,999. I said no thanks.
Its your dealer. Ive test drove just about every color GTO that our pontiac dealer has had since they came out. Never a question, never a problem
Old 08-28-2006 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Its your dealer. Ive test drove just about every color GTO that our pontiac dealer has had since they came out. Never a question, never a problem


One of the Pontiac dealers near us (where my neighbor got his Solstice) offered up one of the cars on the lot as a test drive. I declined (since my neighbor was getting one, I knew I could drive theirs), but he also said to come back whenever if I wanted to take one out...



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