NEW July 28th: More Pictures of 2004 TL in high res & multiple colors!
07-28-2003 | 02:13 PM
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NEW July 28th: More Pictures of 2004 TL in high res & multiple colors!
Thanks to SSH....
INCREDIBLE ****ACURA-TSX.COM EXCLUSIVE**** PICTURES!
INCREDIBLE ****ACURA-TSX.COM EXCLUSIVE**** PICTURES!
Here are a few pictures I took on Friday as they were loading the TLs into the transport heading back to California. Its obvious that Acura did not put a lot of effort into sneaking the TL in and out of town unnoticed. They parked on one of the busiest streets in downtown Seattle for an hour while getting the cars loaded. To me it looks like they wanted people to see it.
So what can be learned from these photos:
1. There are definitely two break specs. Brembo on the 6 speed and a lower spec on the automatic.
2. No AWD.
3. 6 DVD/CD changer in dash. Will Acura offer a video monitor for the back seat?
4. Mobile phone controls in steering wheel but non of the controls look like they are illuminated (could this be?).
5. LED rear lights.
6. Sunroof controls and OnStar (?) controls mounted up high.
7. Potential evidence of the adaptive cruise control "sonar" on the front bumper.
8. No rear-view camera.
9. No rear park control evidence.
10. Evidence of blue "ambiance" lighting in the overhead console...a la TSX.
11. Camel interior comes with Walnut wood trim.
12. Leather seating surface is perforated.
13. Standard rubber is 235/45R17
I have no problem making these images Acura-TSX.com exclusive. If someone wants to mark them up and re-post them at the top of the thread, that's fine with me.
So what can be learned from these photos:
1. There are definitely two break specs. Brembo on the 6 speed and a lower spec on the automatic.
2. No AWD.
3. 6 DVD/CD changer in dash. Will Acura offer a video monitor for the back seat?
4. Mobile phone controls in steering wheel but non of the controls look like they are illuminated (could this be?).
5. LED rear lights.
6. Sunroof controls and OnStar (?) controls mounted up high.
7. Potential evidence of the adaptive cruise control "sonar" on the front bumper.
8. No rear-view camera.
9. No rear park control evidence.
10. Evidence of blue "ambiance" lighting in the overhead console...a la TSX.
11. Camel interior comes with Walnut wood trim.
12. Leather seating surface is perforated.
13. Standard rubber is 235/45R17
I have no problem making these images Acura-TSX.com exclusive. If someone wants to mark them up and re-post them at the top of the thread, that's fine with me.
07-28-2003 | 02:37 PM
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There's no denying that this car will be a great. I mean it will perform outstandingly I'm sure, its price will undercut the competition and it looks IMO good, not great but good.
But who here still thinks that this car will take a beating much like the TSX did in the automotive press for #1 Bland styling and #2 being FWD. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the looks of the car and the FWD factor but the uninformed and biased media do. I think we can appreciate this TL because we are Honda afficionado's but I honestly don't believe that Honda has done enough to convince others of the same. This may not matter as I'm certain its sales will be quite strong, but in the end it will simply be another FWD bland looking sedan to most.
But who here still thinks that this car will take a beating much like the TSX did in the automotive press for #1 Bland styling and #2 being FWD. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the looks of the car and the FWD factor but the uninformed and biased media do. I think we can appreciate this TL because we are Honda afficionado's but I honestly don't believe that Honda has done enough to convince others of the same. This may not matter as I'm certain its sales will be quite strong, but in the end it will simply be another FWD bland looking sedan to most.
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07-28-2003 | 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by domn
But who here still thinks that this car will take a beating much like the TSX did in the automotive press for #1 Bland styling and #2 being FWD. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the looks of the car and the FWD factor but the uninformed and biased media do. I think we can appreciate this TL because we are Honda afficionado's but I honestly don't believe that Honda has done enough to convince others of the same. This may not matter as I'm certain its sales will be quite strong, but in the end it will simply be another FWD bland looking sedan to most.
But who here still thinks that this car will take a beating much like the TSX did in the automotive press for #1 Bland styling and #2 being FWD. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with the looks of the car and the FWD factor but the uninformed and biased media do. I think we can appreciate this TL because we are Honda afficionado's but I honestly don't believe that Honda has done enough to convince others of the same. This may not matter as I'm certain its sales will be quite strong, but in the end it will simply be another FWD bland looking sedan to most.
I don't care. If Acura delivers the TL at a tremendous value and it receives the favorable press that the TSX has enjoyed, I will have no complaints.
07-28-2003 | 02:54 PM
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You've done it again folks!!
There are currently 69 members and 192 guests on the boards. | Most users ever online was 262 on 07-28-2003 at 03:52 PM.
Broke the record by a full 27 users!
Broke the record by a full 27 users!
07-28-2003 | 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Looks pretty good to me. The wheels with the black (Brembo?) calipers seem to have 18" tires on them.
Was anyone able to determine if the steering wheel was power tilt/telescoping?
Looks pretty good to me. The wheels with the black (Brembo?) calipers seem to have 18" tires on them.
Was anyone able to determine if the steering wheel was power tilt/telescoping?
07-28-2003 | 02:54 PM
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Could someone take the first picture and figure out the length, wheelbase and height of the car? You should be able to do this by assuming the wheels are 17-inchers (some folks said they were) and using pixel counts for extrapolation.
07-28-2003 | 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Looks pretty good to me. The wheels with the black (Brembo?) calipers seem to have 18" tires on them.
Was anyone able to determine if the steering wheel was power tilt/telescoping?
Looks pretty good to me. The wheels with the black (Brembo?) calipers seem to have 18" tires on them.
Was anyone able to determine if the steering wheel was power tilt/telescoping?
I can't figure out if the 6MT will come:
1. Brembo and all weather rubber standard but HPT is only RE030s
2. Brembo and 235/45R17 RE030 on HPT
3. Brembo and 18" on HPT
I did not see 18" wheels on any of the cars so I'm leaning towards #2.
"Brembo" tire:
07-28-2003 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by SSH
Sorry, they're 17" (see other thread). Mods, maybe we should merge all discussions of the new pics into this thread.
I can't figure out if the 6MT will come:
1. Brembo and all weather rubber standard but HPT is only RE030s
2. Brembo and 235/45R17 RE030 on HPT
3. Brembo and 18" on HPT
I did not see 18" wheels on any of the cars so I'm leaning towards #2.
"Brembo" tire:
Sorry, they're 17" (see other thread). Mods, maybe we should merge all discussions of the new pics into this thread.
I can't figure out if the 6MT will come:
1. Brembo and all weather rubber standard but HPT is only RE030s
2. Brembo and 235/45R17 RE030 on HPT
3. Brembo and 18" on HPT
I did not see 18" wheels on any of the cars so I'm leaning towards #2.
"Brembo" tire:
07-28-2003 | 03:14 PM
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Sorry to post again.
I had a few observations, and am wondering if anyone had the same.
In some of the pictures, the turn signal appears to be orange/amber inside the red lens.
Looks like the car has side curtain airbags!
It looked to me on the car with the Brembo brakes, the rear calipers were the normal steel color. Could this be right?
Did anyone see what appears to be two screws or the imprint of screws in the big (not the close-up) tire shot?
I had a few observations, and am wondering if anyone had the same.
In some of the pictures, the turn signal appears to be orange/amber inside the red lens.
Looks like the car has side curtain airbags!
It looked to me on the car with the Brembo brakes, the rear calipers were the normal steel color. Could this be right?
Did anyone see what appears to be two screws or the imprint of screws in the big (not the close-up) tire shot?
07-28-2003 | 03:28 PM
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Finally, 235 tires as standard. No more skinny 205 and 215's. Cool!
That'll put all 280HP to good use.
But what still disappoint me is the use of crappy Potenza RE030.
We all know most Potenza RE are the worse tires out there. RE030 only get a 4.2/10 rating and most people won't buy it again.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Potenza+RE030
I hope the HPT package will come with better tire than this crap.
That'll put all 280HP to good use.
But what still disappoint me is the use of crappy Potenza RE030.
We all know most Potenza RE are the worse tires out there. RE030 only get a 4.2/10 rating and most people won't buy it again.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Potenza+RE030
I hope the HPT package will come with better tire than this crap.
07-28-2003 | 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrema
Finally, 235 tires as standard. No more skinny 205 and 215's. Cool!
That'll put all 280HP to good use.
But what still disappoint me is the use of crappy Potenza RE030.
We all know most Potenza RE are the worse tires out there. RE030 only get a 4.2/10 rating and most people won't buy it again.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Potenza+RE030
I hope the HPT package will come with better tire than this crap.
Finally, 235 tires as standard. No more skinny 205 and 215's. Cool!
That'll put all 280HP to good use.
But what still disappoint me is the use of crappy Potenza RE030.
We all know most Potenza RE are the worse tires out there. RE030 only get a 4.2/10 rating and most people won't buy it again.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=Potenza+RE030
I hope the HPT package will come with better tire than this crap.
07-28-2003 | 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Sorry to post again.
I had a few observations, and am wondering if anyone had the same.
In some of the pictures, the turn signal appears to be orange/amber inside the red lens.
Looks like the car has side curtain airbags!
It looked to me on the car with the Brembo brakes, the rear calipers were the normal steel color. Could this be right?
Did anyone see what appears to be two screws or the imprint of screws in the big (not the close-up) tire shot?
Sorry to post again.
I had a few observations, and am wondering if anyone had the same.
In some of the pictures, the turn signal appears to be orange/amber inside the red lens.
Looks like the car has side curtain airbags!
It looked to me on the car with the Brembo brakes, the rear calipers were the normal steel color. Could this be right?
Did anyone see what appears to be two screws or the imprint of screws in the big (not the close-up) tire shot?
The red inside the lens is a reflection from other tail lights in the cars from the flash of the camea (refelctors of the other tails).
Car does have side curtiain airbags, dealer confirmed this is the direction of acura (plus 04 maxima has them std).
Rear have brembos, if you lighten the picture (rear half only photo) and zoom in, you can see them faintly.
As for the tires, most have the screw marks, these are interchangeable plates in the tire sidewall molds that allow maker to change certian info on all tires, such as changing date codes, load ratings, and DOT info (this one has a few blanks, but so does the 18 tires on the maxima that I looked at in person last week). Just so you know, the red and yellow/wht dots painted on the tires are used to match tires to the rims for better ballancing out the door (matches high low spots with the rims, and high low weight areas)
Hope this helps.
07-28-2003 | 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
everything looks great, except for the fucking ugly e brake!!!
great pics SSH, thanks
everything looks great, except for the fucking ugly e brake!!!
great pics SSH, thanks
Not so sure it is leather as others say, if it is, it sure is STIFF!
07-28-2003 | 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Doesn't anyone else think it is horrendous that the cup holders are not covered?
Doesn't anyone else think it is horrendous that the cup holders are not covered?
If you look closely, there is a little dimple on the inner ring of the cupholder cutout towards the front corner, to me this is indicative of a design that is intedend for for the cover to rest on (probably rubber so it does not make noise when driving). There is probably one at the back too. Look at the photo of the handbrake close up (where you can see the cup holder and perf seats).
Time will tell!
07-28-2003 | 04:10 PM
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The car is hot and i want a 6 spd, BAD.
But camel is the worst interior color ever. It was shitty but in the late 80s when hondas offered it. When i sold i saw an old 89 prelude black with camel. it looks like a monkey smeared it crap all over the inside.
The all black interior is the way to go with this car.
But camel is the worst interior color ever. It was shitty but in the late 80s when hondas offered it. When i sold i saw an old 89 prelude black with camel. it looks like a monkey smeared it crap all over the inside.
The all black interior is the way to go with this car.
07-28-2003 | 05:36 PM
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I think is rather obvious the TL will have HIDS. Considering the current one has them. And the TSX has them. And duh, the car has curtain airbags. The accord got them and the TSX. And the freakin Ferrari Enzo comes with Potenza tires.
07-28-2003 | 06:00 PM
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Great pics! But I'm wondering what color the interior is in these shots. Is that the camel or the parchment? I'm not liking that color too much.
If I get the 04 TL, I'll be going for the white exterior, and if that's the parchment, I'll have to go with the quartz.
If I get the 04 TL, I'll be going for the white exterior, and if that's the parchment, I'll have to go with the quartz.
07-28-2003 | 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by servo
Great pics! But I'm wondering what color the interior is in these shots. Is that the camel or the parchment? I'm not liking that color too much.
If I get the 04 TL, I'll be going for the white exterior, and if that's the parchment, I'll have to go with the quartz.
Great pics! But I'm wondering what color the interior is in these shots. Is that the camel or the parchment? I'm not liking that color too much.
If I get the 04 TL, I'll be going for the white exterior, and if that's the parchment, I'll have to go with the quartz.
07-28-2003 | 06:55 PM
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Well, it looks like Acura/Honda did it again if one of those are the HPT model. Why the heck can't they give a unique rim to their sporty models. It's the same with the RSX and RSX-S. You can't tell the diff between those 2 unless you see the badging or realize the base RSX doesn't have body colored skirts. Every other company on this planet gives at least a noticeable distinguishing characteristic to there base vs. sporty models. What's up Acura?
I like the new TL, but this is stupid IMO. I wonder if they will charge some ridiculous price for the HPT, like they do for their upcoming Factory Performance Package. Ahhhh.
I like the new TL, but this is stupid IMO. I wonder if they will charge some ridiculous price for the HPT, like they do for their upcoming Factory Performance Package. Ahhhh.
07-28-2003 | 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by PokeyD16Z
Did anyone notice the elongated upper console? I think thats there for the rain sensing wipers...anyone?
Did anyone notice the elongated upper console? I think thats there for the rain sensing wipers...anyone?
Are you talking about the dual climate control bar? My sisters catera has that.
07-28-2003 | 07:11 PM
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I have doubts that any of these were HPT models. Was told by numerous higher ups that 18s will br on the HPT versions. The other thought is that THESE HPTs weren't fitted with those wheels. It is not out of the realm that those wheels were simply not yet available.