Lexus: IS News
#761
Originally Posted by samkws
with the new IS350 i doubt it will be cheaper than a fully loaded G35 coupe
i expect they will selling a lot of these and probably on waiting list, so little discount will be given
i expect they will selling a lot of these and probably on waiting list, so little discount will be given
#763
Originally Posted by zeroday
gorgeous car. this is a 3 series killer for sure.
Looks inside n out, no doubt. I just hope the car can maintain when it comes to performance, and I hope a 200hp IS doesn't end up being compared to a 330. The last Is beat the BMW in 'A' review, think this one will actually deserve the win.
Would love to see the Germans take a hard hit from the .jp brands in the US that would make em think twice about what they are doing price wise or even standard features wise.
#764
Originally Posted by riceboy
that picture is taken right next to the honda headquarters in torrance.
pretty funny
pretty funny
#765
#767
After watching that video, the IS doesnt look so appealing. It seems like any regular car. I mean its nice, but it just doesnt jump out at me as something i would want to buy. Its kinda dull. I guess i'll have to see it in person until i make my final outlook on the IS but as of right now, i'm not impressed. I see too many similarities with other cars (eg: scion tc, mazda 6, etc)
#771
Originally Posted by 03TL-S
After watching that video, the IS doesnt look so appealing. It seems like any regular car. I mean its nice, but it just doesnt jump out at me as something i would want to buy. Its kinda dull. I guess i'll have to see it in person until i make my final outlook on the IS but as of right now, i'm not impressed. I see too many similarities with other cars (eg: scion tc, mazda 6, etc)
I think it looks like a Range Rover! Wait I see a hint of Enzo in it. No, I think it looks like a Porsche 356.......
Sigh.......
#773
Originally Posted by AsianRage
Car looks good. I wondering about interior space. The GS felt a little bit small.
#775
Originally Posted by 03TL-S
After watching that video, the IS doesnt look so appealing. It seems like any regular car. I mean its nice, but it just doesnt jump out at me as something i would want to buy. Its kinda dull. I guess i'll have to see it in person until i make my final outlook on the IS but as of right now, i'm not impressed. I see too many similarities with other cars (eg: scion tc, mazda 6, etc)
#777
Originally Posted by AcuraGT-3
I am going to assume you drive an Acura NSX, as any other Acura is the definition of dull, except possibly the new TL, which is still FWD.
I think it looks like a Range Rover! Wait I see a hint of Enzo in it. No, I think it looks like a Porsche 356.......
Sigh.......
I think it looks like a Range Rover! Wait I see a hint of Enzo in it. No, I think it looks like a Porsche 356.......
Sigh.......
#780
The only thing keeping me from an IS350 is the lack of a manual transmission. I made the mistake once already buying the '01 CLS and thought power would make up for the lack of rowing your own gears. I was mistaken. Come on Lexus! At least with the 2 door IS350 you better put a 6 speed manual in it. If you want to be a true competitor to BMW offer the same transmission choices.
#781
Originally Posted by Speed_Racer
The only thing keeping me from an IS350 is the lack of a manual transmission. I made the mistake once already buying the '01 CLS and thought power would make up for the lack of rowing your own gears. I was mistaken.
#782
Originally Posted by gavriil
That was exactly the mistake I made. I regret every moment of it for 5 long years now. I was tempted last year to get a slightly used 03 but backed off.
Same here...although that's a mistake I'm happy to say I no longer need to live with
#783
I thought I had my next car purchase figured out...the new IS. In the last week I noticed the annoying IMO tailiights. I hate that raised top part pointy thing. Make it flush with the rear end of the car. I'm sure it won't matter with the majority of the buyers, but I'm not sure I can deal with it. I guess I need to see one in person first. Right now I'm struggling with it.
#784
Originally Posted by Speed_Racer
The only thing keeping me from an IS350 is the lack of a manual transmission. I made the mistake once already buying the '01 CLS and thought power would make up for the lack of rowing your own gears. I was mistaken. Come on Lexus! At least with the 2 door IS350 you better put a 6 speed manual in it. If you want to be a true competitor to BMW offer the same transmission choices.
I won’t even test drive the IS350 coupe if it doesn’t come with a manual.
#785
Originally Posted by Jack_n_Coke
Does anyone know when it will be showing up on the dealership?
#786
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
What's up with the 180km/h speedo? It should be able to go a lot faster than that...
#787
Originally Posted by AcuraGT-3
I am going to assume you drive an Acura NSX, as any other Acura is the definition of dull, except possibly the new TL, which is still FWD.
I think it looks like a Range Rover! Wait I see a hint of Enzo in it. No, I think it looks like a Porsche 356.......
Sigh.......
I think it looks like a Range Rover! Wait I see a hint of Enzo in it. No, I think it looks like a Porsche 356.......
Sigh.......
#788
Originally Posted by titan
You think so? I think the GS's interior space is pretty roomy. I definitely thought it was on par with it's competiton. The IS looks like it provide decent room too, IMO.
#789
Originally Posted by biker
October 1 is supposed to be the official launch date, but like the GS it will be on lots before that with the left coast getting them first.
Left coast? You mean west coast?
#791
From the rear, it looks like Mazda 3 or Mazda 6. From the side, it looks like a scion in 4DR. I love the front tho. I think the 1st gen IS looks much better. The interior is definitely beautiful, but once again, it's only a picture.
#794
Originally Posted by biker
Is there a difference?
#795
Originally Posted by biker
I'm assuming it will be the same as the IS220d show car that had a 240kph odo.
Its limiter will probably stop it at 112mph due to tire spec. That's 180.2 kph.
#796
Think a lot of the difference between the car in the video and the car in the pics is that the pics are nice quality where the vid isn't. Also don't think the car looks that great in silver, same goes for most cars like the new s-class.
#797
Originally Posted by gavriil
Still have to see it in person though.
#798
Edmunds.........First Drive
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106455
Bigger, Faster and Packing Electronic Heat
By John Pearley Huffman
Since 2001, the Lexus IS 300 has taken on the BMW 3 Series with marginal success. Although it never really lit up the sales charts, the rear-wheel-drive IS 300 has earned a small but loyal following. Young, too. In fact, according to Lexus, the median age of IS buyers is just 29. That's the youngest for any car sold by any luxury maker and decades younger than the median age for buyers of most luxury cars.
In the car business, young buyers are good buyers, but so are more buyers, so when it came time to dream up the second generation of the IS, Lexus had to design a sedan with expanded appeal that wouldn't disenfranchise the kids.
A tall order, but we think Lexus may have pulled it off.
The 2006 Lexus IS sedan is bigger, more luxurious and much more powerful than the car it replaces, and for the first time several models are available. Buyers can now choose between the Lexus IS 250, Lexus IS 250 with all-wheel drive and Lexus IS 350, all which get V6 engines and six-speed transmissions.
Lexus GS Jr.
Since Lexus already had an excellent rear-drive platform in its GS, it became the starting point for the new IS. By carving out 4.7 inches of the GS' wheelbase and lopping off 4.4 inches of front and rear overhang, Lexus had the basic structure of the new IS. Its 180.1-inch length makes it 2 inches longer than a 2006 BMW 3 Series sedan, but its 107.5-inch wheelbase is 1.2 inches shorter than the BMW's. The Lexus is also a little narrower and a little taller than the Bimmer.
The GS' double-wishbone front and independent multilink rear suspension moves intact to the IS and is retuned for the new application. Even the big 13.1-inch diameter ventilated front and 12.2-inch diameter solid rear disc brakes from the V8-powered GS 430 migrate to the new IS 350. The less powerful IS 250 uses the GS 300's slightly smaller discs.
The one significant piece of GS technology that didn't make it onto the new IS is variable-ratio power steering. Instead the IS has a speed-sensitive, electric variably assisted rack and pinion system.
Two New Variations on a Familiar Engine Family
The IS 300's straight six has been replaced by two new all-aluminum members of Toyota's latest family of 60-degree, DOHC, 24-valved V6s. The engines feature VVT-i variable valve timing and are already powering everything from the GS 300 to the base Toyota Tundra pickup.
The V6 in the IS 250 displaces 2.5 liters. Lexus rates it at 204 horsepower at 6,400 rpm with the 185 pound-feet of peak torque at 4,800 rpm using the SAE's latest rating regimen. An expansion in bore and stroke turns that engine into the 3.5-liter that powers the IS 350. It's rated at an impressive 306 hp at 6,400 rpm and a chunky 277 lb-ft of torque at 4,800 rpm. Both engines use direct gasoline injection with the IS 350's also having additional injectors in the intake ports to promote better fuel distribution when intake charge velocities are down.
Behind those engines are new six-speed transmissions. A true manual transmission, you know with a clutch pedal, is only available on the base rear-drive IS 250. If shifting isn't your thing, a six-speed automatic with a manual mode is optional. Order all-wheel drive on your IS 250, which by the way adds 216 pounds to the car's curb weight, or step up to the IS 350, and a six-speed automatic with a manual mode becomes mandatory. Lexus does supply paddle shifters just behind the steering wheel, but a real manual like you can get in a BMW 330i would be better.
The Nanny Factor
Also coming from the GS is the suite of electronic technologies — traction control, stability control, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, BrakeAssist and the conventional antilock brakes and such — that Lexus groups together as the "Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management" (VDIM for acronym lovers). VDIM is standard on the IS 350 while most of the technologies also come on the IS 250, the integration isn't quite so comprehensive.
With VDIM working, it's tough to see how anyone could get in trouble with a new IS 350 unless they aimed for a telephone pole. Of course, if they'd opted for the "Pre-Collision System" that integrates with the Dynamic Radar Cruise Control when they whacked that pole it would be in a car that had prepared its occupants by pre-tensioning their belts, preinitializing the BrakeAssist system, and even trying to apply the brakes itself.
During the collision the front passengers would appreciate their knee airbags and double-row curtain shield airbags, and that the front passenger's unique "twin-chamber" airbag spreads apart to reduce blunt impacts.
Driving Technology
As with the GS, there's no conventional key for the IS 350 as it senses the presence of an electronic fob that allows the car to be started with the press of a button. There's a suggestion of the original IS' trapezoidal instrument binnacle and its chronographic instrument faces, but the dash design is much more elegant and rationally planned. The seats are well shaped, the steering wheel is a neat three-spoke design, and the pedals are covered in aluminum plates. Unlike in the IS 300, the interior materials on the new IS are up to Lexus standards.
Lexus claims the IS 350 will rip to 60 mph in just 5.6 seconds and it's easy to believe because the engine produces gushers of thrust in near silence. This is an engine that delivers power seamlessly — there's no point where the VVT-i "kicks in" or the torque drops off. The IS 250's V6 is just as creamy and only lags in terms of overall thrust.
We drove an IS 250 with a six-speed manual and IS 350 with the optional performance package around Southern California and the Willow Springs Raceway road course. Although we expected the smaller-engined model with the real manual transmission to be our favorite, it was the IS 350 we liked best.
The IS 250 cruises along freeways like the luxury car it is. The ride is controlled but soft. On twisting roads it sort of wafts along never doing anything that could upset the passenger cabin extensively. Exciting? Not really. But it is comfortable, reassuring and competent. Plus, the manual transmission in the preproduction machine we sampled shifted with long throws and hazily defined gates. Lexus says it will be better in production models.
On the other hand, with 18-inch wheels and more than 300 hp, the IS 350 with the performance package is an undeniable performance car. There's no discernable exhaust note, but the IS 350 builds speed easily, the chassis is tenacious, and if there isn't going to be a manual transmission around, at least the paddles add some involvement to the driving experience. There's no real comfort penalty for the big wheels and tires either, and turn-in is noticeably quicker than in the 250.
Still, there's so much technology aboard the IS 350, the driver is too insulated from the driving. The electronic throttle's response isn't as crisp as we would like, the transmission takes too long to respond to the paddle shifters and the steering is precise and quick, but hardly communicative. It's enough to make you miss the old IS 300's nervy, adolescent edge.
The biggest downer, however, is the inability to disarm the VDIM system, which mutes the sedan's performance long before the limits of its chassis and its optional 18-inch summer-spec tires are reached (17-inch all-weather tires are standard). There's a great engine, a great chassis and spectacular brakes under all that electronic baby-sitting, but the VDIM system is so intrusive it's hard to tell. We expressed a similar complaint about the GS 430.
A VDIM "Off" button would make this a much better sport sedan.
An Intimidating Competitor
With the structural heft of a beryllium atom, spectacular engines and exquisite assembly quality, the new IS is a car even committed Bimmer-philes should test-drive. It goes on sale this fall and should be priced competitively with, if not slightly below, BMW's 3 Series. It should be quite a sales race.
By John Pearley Huffman
Since 2001, the Lexus IS 300 has taken on the BMW 3 Series with marginal success. Although it never really lit up the sales charts, the rear-wheel-drive IS 300 has earned a small but loyal following. Young, too. In fact, according to Lexus, the median age of IS buyers is just 29. That's the youngest for any car sold by any luxury maker and decades younger than the median age for buyers of most luxury cars.
In the car business, young buyers are good buyers, but so are more buyers, so when it came time to dream up the second generation of the IS, Lexus had to design a sedan with expanded appeal that wouldn't disenfranchise the kids.
A tall order, but we think Lexus may have pulled it off.
The 2006 Lexus IS sedan is bigger, more luxurious and much more powerful than the car it replaces, and for the first time several models are available. Buyers can now choose between the Lexus IS 250, Lexus IS 250 with all-wheel drive and Lexus IS 350, all which get V6 engines and six-speed transmissions.
Lexus GS Jr.
Since Lexus already had an excellent rear-drive platform in its GS, it became the starting point for the new IS. By carving out 4.7 inches of the GS' wheelbase and lopping off 4.4 inches of front and rear overhang, Lexus had the basic structure of the new IS. Its 180.1-inch length makes it 2 inches longer than a 2006 BMW 3 Series sedan, but its 107.5-inch wheelbase is 1.2 inches shorter than the BMW's. The Lexus is also a little narrower and a little taller than the Bimmer.
The GS' double-wishbone front and independent multilink rear suspension moves intact to the IS and is retuned for the new application. Even the big 13.1-inch diameter ventilated front and 12.2-inch diameter solid rear disc brakes from the V8-powered GS 430 migrate to the new IS 350. The less powerful IS 250 uses the GS 300's slightly smaller discs.
The one significant piece of GS technology that didn't make it onto the new IS is variable-ratio power steering. Instead the IS has a speed-sensitive, electric variably assisted rack and pinion system.
Two New Variations on a Familiar Engine Family
The IS 300's straight six has been replaced by two new all-aluminum members of Toyota's latest family of 60-degree, DOHC, 24-valved V6s. The engines feature VVT-i variable valve timing and are already powering everything from the GS 300 to the base Toyota Tundra pickup.
The V6 in the IS 250 displaces 2.5 liters. Lexus rates it at 204 horsepower at 6,400 rpm with the 185 pound-feet of peak torque at 4,800 rpm using the SAE's latest rating regimen. An expansion in bore and stroke turns that engine into the 3.5-liter that powers the IS 350. It's rated at an impressive 306 hp at 6,400 rpm and a chunky 277 lb-ft of torque at 4,800 rpm. Both engines use direct gasoline injection with the IS 350's also having additional injectors in the intake ports to promote better fuel distribution when intake charge velocities are down.
Behind those engines are new six-speed transmissions. A true manual transmission, you know with a clutch pedal, is only available on the base rear-drive IS 250. If shifting isn't your thing, a six-speed automatic with a manual mode is optional. Order all-wheel drive on your IS 250, which by the way adds 216 pounds to the car's curb weight, or step up to the IS 350, and a six-speed automatic with a manual mode becomes mandatory. Lexus does supply paddle shifters just behind the steering wheel, but a real manual like you can get in a BMW 330i would be better.
The Nanny Factor
Also coming from the GS is the suite of electronic technologies — traction control, stability control, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, BrakeAssist and the conventional antilock brakes and such — that Lexus groups together as the "Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management" (VDIM for acronym lovers). VDIM is standard on the IS 350 while most of the technologies also come on the IS 250, the integration isn't quite so comprehensive.
With VDIM working, it's tough to see how anyone could get in trouble with a new IS 350 unless they aimed for a telephone pole. Of course, if they'd opted for the "Pre-Collision System" that integrates with the Dynamic Radar Cruise Control when they whacked that pole it would be in a car that had prepared its occupants by pre-tensioning their belts, preinitializing the BrakeAssist system, and even trying to apply the brakes itself.
During the collision the front passengers would appreciate their knee airbags and double-row curtain shield airbags, and that the front passenger's unique "twin-chamber" airbag spreads apart to reduce blunt impacts.
Driving Technology
As with the GS, there's no conventional key for the IS 350 as it senses the presence of an electronic fob that allows the car to be started with the press of a button. There's a suggestion of the original IS' trapezoidal instrument binnacle and its chronographic instrument faces, but the dash design is much more elegant and rationally planned. The seats are well shaped, the steering wheel is a neat three-spoke design, and the pedals are covered in aluminum plates. Unlike in the IS 300, the interior materials on the new IS are up to Lexus standards.
Lexus claims the IS 350 will rip to 60 mph in just 5.6 seconds and it's easy to believe because the engine produces gushers of thrust in near silence. This is an engine that delivers power seamlessly — there's no point where the VVT-i "kicks in" or the torque drops off. The IS 250's V6 is just as creamy and only lags in terms of overall thrust.
We drove an IS 250 with a six-speed manual and IS 350 with the optional performance package around Southern California and the Willow Springs Raceway road course. Although we expected the smaller-engined model with the real manual transmission to be our favorite, it was the IS 350 we liked best.
The IS 250 cruises along freeways like the luxury car it is. The ride is controlled but soft. On twisting roads it sort of wafts along never doing anything that could upset the passenger cabin extensively. Exciting? Not really. But it is comfortable, reassuring and competent. Plus, the manual transmission in the preproduction machine we sampled shifted with long throws and hazily defined gates. Lexus says it will be better in production models.
On the other hand, with 18-inch wheels and more than 300 hp, the IS 350 with the performance package is an undeniable performance car. There's no discernable exhaust note, but the IS 350 builds speed easily, the chassis is tenacious, and if there isn't going to be a manual transmission around, at least the paddles add some involvement to the driving experience. There's no real comfort penalty for the big wheels and tires either, and turn-in is noticeably quicker than in the 250.
Still, there's so much technology aboard the IS 350, the driver is too insulated from the driving. The electronic throttle's response isn't as crisp as we would like, the transmission takes too long to respond to the paddle shifters and the steering is precise and quick, but hardly communicative. It's enough to make you miss the old IS 300's nervy, adolescent edge.
The biggest downer, however, is the inability to disarm the VDIM system, which mutes the sedan's performance long before the limits of its chassis and its optional 18-inch summer-spec tires are reached (17-inch all-weather tires are standard). There's a great engine, a great chassis and spectacular brakes under all that electronic baby-sitting, but the VDIM system is so intrusive it's hard to tell. We expressed a similar complaint about the GS 430.
A VDIM "Off" button would make this a much better sport sedan.
An Intimidating Competitor
With the structural heft of a beryllium atom, spectacular engines and exquisite assembly quality, the new IS is a car even committed Bimmer-philes should test-drive. It goes on sale this fall and should be priced competitively with, if not slightly below, BMW's 3 Series. It should be quite a sales race.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=106455
#800
holy @$%#$*!!! it's iPod compatible?!?!?!??! NO WAY!!! I WANT ONE!!!
pathetic. I just CAN'T STAND any product that attempts to mooch off the iPod's (overrated) success... while it's true the iPod is extremely successful (and I admit I have one too) - come on, we are not stupid - don't try to sell us products based on it. The other day I'm in a drugstore and I see a pair of cheap ass headphones with the large tagline at the top "iPOD COMPATIBLE" - no, REALLY????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
It's gotten worse than CD jewelcases that are "also compatible with CD-ROM and DVD"...
I mean, really now. /rant
oh yea I still like the IS, EVEN AFTER seeing the video - interior is classy, beautiful instrument cluster - kinda don't like the shape of the center console but I would get used to it, front-end is a bit ho-hum but I would get used to it, and so on and so forth. And you know the quality is going to be damn good so in the end, it's all good.
pathetic. I just CAN'T STAND any product that attempts to mooch off the iPod's (overrated) success... while it's true the iPod is extremely successful (and I admit I have one too) - come on, we are not stupid - don't try to sell us products based on it. The other day I'm in a drugstore and I see a pair of cheap ass headphones with the large tagline at the top "iPOD COMPATIBLE" - no, REALLY????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
It's gotten worse than CD jewelcases that are "also compatible with CD-ROM and DVD"...
I mean, really now. /rant
oh yea I still like the IS, EVEN AFTER seeing the video - interior is classy, beautiful instrument cluster - kinda don't like the shape of the center console but I would get used to it, front-end is a bit ho-hum but I would get used to it, and so on and so forth. And you know the quality is going to be damn good so in the end, it's all good.