fsttyms1

And that is something i dont understand. If you think the car is too small, how about buying the next car up, The TL. They keep making cars larger and larger and by doing so make the price go up. They took the fun out of the TSX by making it so large and heavy.

Shit, my mini is too small, can you make it the size of a 5 series.

pttl

But I was talking about Acura, as being the best car company on earth. Acura has never failed. All other car companies pale in comparison to Acura.

Your paranoia is growing worse.

Colin

My god! You guys are all nuts. You all make it sound like there is no middle ground between abject failure and walking on water...

docboy

Well, why didn't you just say so then?

Sarcasm notwithstanding, Acura is the worst car company on earth.

Or is your hatred towards Acura growing exponentially?

docboy

I'm certainly no "fanboy" but IMHO I think (for the most part) Acura's strengths outweigh its weakness.. much to the demise of the majority here on Cartalk/Autonews who think Acura is a total failure in every aspect b/c of its lack of RWD chasis, polarizing "keen edge" styling, and growing dimensions/weight.

Trying to keep the thread on topic (as alluded to above) as Acura continues to refine the dimensions/specs of the TSX and TL, and as Acura introduces the sub TSX model in the states, it should make a merrier and more pleasing lineup.

Shift_Acura

Theres a big price difference. Not to mention maintenance, insurance and fuel costs.

The price of the TL went up but the price of the 2G TSX was lowered by $3,300 in Canada.

I agree that increasing the weight of a car is the worst thing for performance. But then again the 2G I4 is still faster than its predecessor. Not to mention the V6 TSX is probably alot more fun to drive than the 1G or 2G I4. Have you driven the new TSX? My only problem with its performance is the light steering feel - its got a numb on center feel

I dont notice the 65kg of additional weight (frankly if u can feel 65kg of additional weight u must have some kind of super power )

At the end of the day I dont mind the slight weight gains in ALL automobiles these days (not just Acura). Its not like manufacturers have a choice, they need to accomodate all the safety equipment to meet stricter requirements. Plus consumers want tons of goodies in their cars these days and that all adds weight.

Shift_Acura

Mini came out with the Clubman and now the Countryman SUV because it was too small originally. Thats not a good example

SSFTSX

that G20 is now replaced by G25. I30 FWD is G37. and the coupe/convertible is over the top of that.

Since TL/RL are identical size cars so they are essentially counted as one. No other premium brand has two identical size cars competing against each other.


Infiniti has 3 SUVs while Acura has 2 SUVs. Acura has 4 cylinder SUV
Only a premium brand can sell 4cylinder SUV at that price.


Infinti has the cheapest V6 car (Didnt you claim in TSX forum that once Cheaper Infiniti is lunched people will jump into the brand. I told there that Infiniti is bargain basement brand. People buy it to get cheapest entry into power per dollar). It is not the Badge but the cheap horsepower that is Infiniti Selling point.
It is pathetic that with so much bhp/latest transmission/RWD/Sport suspension/Options/Imported from Japan. It barely is competitive against standardized domestic FWD Acuras.
Acura will continue with FWD/AWD and will be far more successfull than Infiniti.

SSFTSX

Both Interior & Exterior colors have very good match. Every thing square edges.

pttl

There is no middle ground. Friend or foe....who goes there?

pttl

Friend or foe...who goes there?

Legend2TL

I'm in the same boat, mostly in the middle. Today there's not a single Acura product I would purchase for me, perhaps we'd get a MDX for my wife's Pilot replacement eventually. I would definitely buy my 3G TL again, but not a 4G.

And you're last statement is also very true.

fsttyms1

Id didnt go down by 3300 here.
To me, the old car (gen 1) was much more nimble and more fun to drive (though i had very limited seat time because i didnt fit in it) (Please give me a option box to UNCHECK the moonroof option ON ALL ACURAS) but i preferred it to the new one. But that is just me.

And yes, i can feel the difference in 143 lbs (depending on where the weight is). I could tell the difference on the track pulling my sub box out and my spare tire which probably comes to 50lbs.

Legend2TL

Colin, some of the extremists on this thread are amusing to say the least.

Fortunately we're not among them or live near them.

Legend2TL

Not on Southwest, they made me put my 3G into one of those baggage size check baskets to see if it would fit in

dom

I realize I'm in the minority but the first gen TSX was the PERFECT size car. Never mind the weight, I realize it was going to get heavier but they could have kept those same dimensions. All it needed was more power. I think Jeff at TOV drove a Euro-R, equipped with the 2.0L 225HP engine and loved it. I would have loved to give that a try.


And I love how SSFTSX posts pictures of the TL as if we're going to see something we missed before and now suddenly love its styling. We've seen the car several times, please stop posting pictures.

fsttyms1

I dont think you are in the minority. Minus the lack of head room it was the right size for the car.

Belzebutt

Yes, please stop posting pictures, if the goal is to make us like the car they're really not helping your case...

pttl

^
You guys just can't appreciate true beauty.

fsttyms1

Yes, the high ground clearance and aerodynamic mirrors are like none other

Legend2TL

You're not the only one, the 2G RL, 3G TL and 1G TSX were all sized pretty well to provide distinction between them. Almost like the 7/5/3 sizing. The 2G RL could be been slightly larger inside but I like that it like the 3G TL was slightly shorter but wider and taller than it's predecessor the 1G RL and 2G TL respectively.

Now the 4G TL grew into the 2G RL size and the 2G TSX also grew into roughly a 3G TL size. They've bunched up the platform sizing, personally they should have kept all three in their respective sizes. Curious what the next RL size will be.

pttl

That and the square edges on everything....

Belzebutt

The 1st gen TSX was the perfect size for me too. With the 2nd gen I felt like they made the car look bigger but it wasn't any bigger on the inside. When I test-drove it I felt like they added a bunch of sheetmetal for no reason, the large hood felt kind of weird.

Belzebutt

And don't forget the perfect proportions, especially the ratio of the plenum grille to the size of the door latches.

winstrolvtec

A lot of the issue comes from the fact that while the models are the same name in the TL and TSX their positions and markets have changed. The TSX has been made to reflect more of the previous TL market and the TL is more of an RL. This type of transition is unfortunately good for the long term but bad for the short term as they overlap and it left two gaps, one in betwen the TL and TSX and one below the TSX as well as the long time lack of a full sized vehicle but in time all of this will be squared away.

Belzebutt

... much like the edges of the beautifully-proportioned TL.

pttl

Notice the square edges.

civicdrivr

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Ken1997TL

I already drive an RL that feels like a boat, it too has square edges and therefore is superior..

dom

The issue I have with that is the next gen first gen TSX sized car will be based off a Civic. While the TSX was obviously an Accord. So now I'll be getting what could be a lesser automobile for the same money?

Yumcha

Slap a BMW badge on that and your car will be instant cum for all...

SSFTSX

Civic current generation has larger Wheel base than 1G TSX.
Current Civic is as wide as 1G TSX.
interior leg room is about the same.
Civic just lack features of 1G TSX like independent suspenion, rear disc brakes, HID, climate control.
So i dont see how current Civic is lesser car than 1G TSX once you load it up with standard features.
Fully loaded Civic SI 200bhp is already $25K car. That is only $5k difference from 1G TSX price. Putting Acura badge (extra warranty) with some extra features will further close the difference.

Belzebutt

Well no because now a Civic will be just as good as the old Accord. The Fit will be the new Civic, for the poor people.

dom

No idea why I'm even responding but...We already get an Acurarized Civic up here in Canada, (CSX) and let me assure you its no where near the car a first gen TSX was. In every conceivable area. And I had it as a loaner for 3 days so I've had plenty of wheel time.

Yumcha

It does seem to sell well in Canada, the CSX...

dom

Ya. There's nothing wrong with the car. But there's no hiding its a Civic.

I suspect Acura will simply carry on with the CSX and simply now make it available in the US. Of course based off the new Civic platform and adding a hybrid option etc....

fsttyms1

fsttyms1

Imagine how it will look with the TL beak on it

Yumcha

The current iteration does have a beak on it. Honestly, it's not horrid.

fsttyms1

yea well the direction Acura has gone as of late with the new version coming im sure it will grow to grotesque proportions