Honda: Civic News
#5121
If we're comparing apples to apples at least, the MSRP on the 2020 only went up by a few hundred. I can't think of any examples where the value proposition wins out for the brand-new model. Unless it's one of those cars that is so in demand that used models go for higher than a new one's MSRP.
As long as you can disable Honda sense or adjust the sensitivity (I am unfamiliar with it) there really isn't much reason to go with a previous year, other than money and some subjective differences.
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Legend2TL (07-13-2020)
#5122
Whats up with RDX owners?
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You'd be hard pressed to find a used model under $32k that doesn't have a branded title.
#5123
Race Director
#5124
Ultimately shelved the idea altogether for numerous reasons.
that's what I was thinking of when I mentioned this:
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nist7 (07-12-2020)
#5125
Safety Car
I think there are plenty of examples of one MY newer models that, IMO, have significant value proposition as a new model vs the prior used years due to the new model year changes:
- 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray vs 2019 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray - obvious huge upgrade that is well worth getting new @ MSRP
- 2021 Toyota Supra vs 2020 Toyota Supra (big power bump, other updates)
- 2019 Shelby GT350 vs 2018 Shelby GT350 (updated Voodoo motor, better sound system)
To each their own I guess.
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Costco (07-12-2020)
#5126
The CTR may not be the best example, but of course value proposition is unique to each individual buyer.
I think there are plenty of examples of one MY newer models that, IMO, have significant value proposition as a new model vs the prior used years due to the new model year changes:
To each their own I guess.
I think there are plenty of examples of one MY newer models that, IMO, have significant value proposition as a new model vs the prior used years due to the new model year changes:
- 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray vs 2019 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray - obvious huge upgrade that is well worth getting new @ MSRP
- 2021 Toyota Supra vs 2020 Toyota Supra (big power bump, other updates)
- 2019 Shelby GT350 vs 2018 Shelby GT350 (updated Voodoo motor, better sound system)
To each their own I guess.
Subjective of course, but I would take a C7 GS with MRC over the new C8. It's the ideal Corvette for a daily, plus it is available with a manual. Kind of surprised me that Jack (Savagegeese) had one, but I can definitely see why.
Alright. If it's the same generation and unless there's a huge power bump, it's usually not worth it (or fair) to compare new vs. used
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nist7 (07-12-2020)
#5127
Don't forget the 2012 vs 2013 9G Civics.
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nist7 (07-12-2020)
#5128
Ex-OEM King
I mean, that's what this car does best. Dual-purpose daily and track. There were heat issues, so in response Honda made proper iterative improvements as you could expect in a MMC.
If we're comparing apples to apples at least, the MSRP on the 2020 only went up by a few hundred. I can't think of any examples where the value proposition wins out for the brand-new model. Unless it's one of those cars that is so in demand that used models go for higher than a new one's MSRP.
As long as you can disable Honda sense or adjust the sensitivity (I am unfamiliar with it) there really isn't much reason to go with a previous year, other than money and some subjective differences.
If we're comparing apples to apples at least, the MSRP on the 2020 only went up by a few hundred. I can't think of any examples where the value proposition wins out for the brand-new model. Unless it's one of those cars that is so in demand that used models go for higher than a new one's MSRP.
As long as you can disable Honda sense or adjust the sensitivity (I am unfamiliar with it) there really isn't much reason to go with a previous year, other than money and some subjective differences.
Why would you want to disable Honda Sensing?
I think the Jetta's did it too.
#5129
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#5130
Ex-OEM King
The other model out there that makes very little sense to get a lightly used one is a Wrangler. Something that I seriously cannot explain why they hold their value so well.
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nist7 (07-13-2020)
#5131
Safety Car
OH yeah....Wranglers are notorious for crazy used prices. It's become meme-like in its status with how much people want for their used Wranglers
When the delta between lightly used and brand new is quite small....often it makes more sense to get the brand new one for all of those benefits.
When the delta between lightly used and brand new is quite small....often it makes more sense to get the brand new one for all of those benefits.
#5132
Well of course, it's a great track car but that doesn't mean people will track them lol. I bet the majority just drive them to work and around town. It's great that they did the improvements, glad they were listening unlike many other brands.
Why would you want to disable Honda Sensing?
Why would you want to disable Honda Sensing?
I felt that Honda Sensing was a great thing (read: lower insurance costs) but some complaints I read is the collision mitigation braking can be overly sensitive. The radar/lidar/whatever gets a bad return, thinks it needs to intervene since you aren't slowing down, then stabs the brakes... except whatever object it stopped for doesn't actually exist.
I suppose the option to disable it would defeat the safety benefit. Idk.
#5133
Ex-OEM King
For sure I wish they went with the mostly-black seats in the EDM CTR Sport Line (https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/19/...#slide-2211059), and went to 19s, but they have their reasons not to.
I felt that Honda Sensing was a great thing (read: lower insurance costs) but some complaints I read is the collision mitigation braking can be overly sensitive. The radar/lidar/whatever gets a bad return, thinks it needs to intervene since you aren't slowing down, then stabs the brakes... except whatever object it stopped for doesn't actually exist.
I suppose the option to disable it would defeat the safety benefit. Idk.
I felt that Honda Sensing was a great thing (read: lower insurance costs) but some complaints I read is the collision mitigation braking can be overly sensitive. The radar/lidar/whatever gets a bad return, thinks it needs to intervene since you aren't slowing down, then stabs the brakes... except whatever object it stopped for doesn't actually exist.
I suppose the option to disable it would defeat the safety benefit. Idk.
tl;dr, you should probably try it, I think it's much better than you think it is.
#5134
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The collision mitigation braking has acted up on us once in the CRV, but it was a very specific circumstance. It was a main road, three lanes each way, with two left turn lanes. We were in the left most turn lane heading to the (green) light at about 30-40mph. A pick up was making a u-turn about 4 car lengths up, and as we approached, the CRV slammed on the brakes - hard. The pickup would have been out of our lane by the time we got within a carlength, but the car thought otherwise. I was glad no one was behind us though.
The VW system otoh is known for slamming on the brakes if you're coming out of a steep driveway - it thinks the road surface is an object and will slam on the brakes. There's many posts in the FB groups and on the forums, and it's happened to me in the past as well.
The VW system otoh is known for slamming on the brakes if you're coming out of a steep driveway - it thinks the road surface is an object and will slam on the brakes. There's many posts in the FB groups and on the forums, and it's happened to me in the past as well.
#5135
Ex-OEM King
I've never had the steep driveway problem but I can see that as being a thing. Not sure any system would do much different though.
Either way, you can disable all of this stuff though I wouldn't. Yes it may overreact on rare occasions but it could also get you out of a pickle if shit went sideways for real.
Either way, you can disable all of this stuff though I wouldn't. Yes it may overreact on rare occasions but it could also get you out of a pickle if shit went sideways for real.
#5136
Whats up with RDX owners?
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It's helped me on two occasions. It stays on. LKA on the other hand is off unless I'm roadtripping.
#5137
Ex-OEM King
Same. The LKA is annoying AF when around town. It tends to want to follow those black tar sealing strip things instead of lane lines. The version in the Subaru is the worst, once it triggers it bounces between the lines and is hard to regain control. I leave that off even on the highway.
#5138
Senior Moderator
Goodbye coupe: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-discontinued/
Last edited by F23A4; 07-17-2020 at 12:01 PM.
#5139
Goodbye coupe: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-discontinued/
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civicdrivr (07-18-2020)
#5141
Ex-OEM King
zero fucks given about loss of accord coupe. Bring accord wagon in its place.
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#5142
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Give us the hatchback in Si trim. I would've gone with that after the GTI and opted for a second car for weekend duty. The sedan is hideous and the coupe found a way to be even uglier.
#5144
Acura gave us a TSX wagon (essentially an Accord wagon) but demand was horrible. It's hard to justify such a niche vehicle when demand isn't there.
Face it, we're in an SUV/CUV/truck world and manufacturers are chasing after those buyers because that's where the big profits are.
#5145
Race Director
Even though domestic automakers such as Ford have abandoned passenger cars, Honda sold 325,650 units of the Civic stateside in 2019. One of the biggest reasons for the compact car’s popularity is – of course – the promise of reliability even though the 1.5-liter turbo engine is known to suffer from oil dilution. Better still, there’s a Civic for just about everyone.
Today, however, we’ll take a look at a rendering of the 2022 model with the three-box option. Kleber Silva is the pixel artist who imagined the newcomer in sedan specification, and as you can tell from the design of the taillights and rear bumper, the Insight serves as design influence.
Spied earlier this year with Type R goodies and plenty of camouflage, the 2022 Honda Civic is longer, wider, and sleeker than the outgoing model for obvious reasons. The market wants more dynamic styling, legroom, and trunk capacity, which is why Honda can only oblige.
Scheduled to be revealed in the spring of 2021 at the latest, the Civic will soldier on as a sedan and hatchback but the coupe may not return. Honda has pulled the plug on the two-door body style over abysmal sales in the United States as well as Europe, and given the company’s aggressive cost-cutting measures, the Civic Coupe doesn’t make sense coming back.
Speaking of cost-cutting shenanigans, 2021 is when Honda will shut down two European facilities where the tenth-generation hatchback is made. Chief exec Takahiro Hachigo confirmed that the five-door body style will be produced in North America for the North American market even though 20 percent of U.S. sales are made up of the Civic Hatchback.
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Legend2TL (08-31-2020)
#5146
Moderator
The front looks a little oversized, but overall, it looks pretty great.
Rear is very A3, to me.
Rear is very A3, to me.
#5147
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I'm seeing strong A3/Jetta cues there.
#5148
Ex-OEM King
Looks like a better looking BMW 2GC.
#5151
Ex-OEM King
The City is a shittier version of the Fit for emerging markets.
#5152
honda city much more comfortable and spacious than Honda Jazz. Infact if Honda launch City in US market. It will take upto 80% market of Civic. Civic will become niche vehicle.
https://www.motoroids.com/reviews/20...cvt-automatic/
Overall, we think the Honda City trumps its closest competitor, the Hyundai Verna by miles when it comes to backseat space and comfort and that is a big draw for the Indian audience.
https://www.motoroids.com/reviews/20...cvt-automatic/
Overall, we think the Honda City trumps its closest competitor, the Hyundai Verna by miles when it comes to backseat space and comfort and that is a big draw for the Indian audience.
#5153
Team Owner
amazing guy.... but it is not a Civic right? so why are we talking about it...
#5154
There is picture of Civic in red for 2021 that seem influence by City. Honda always differentiated City from Civic by making City more spacious and comfortable and Civic more lower with firm ride.
people like tall seating position of City with more compliant ride. so it is highly unlikely that next Civic will look like City.
people like tall seating position of City with more compliant ride. so it is highly unlikely that next Civic will look like City.
#5155
Team Owner
so why were you talking about City again?
#5156
Senior Moderator
back on topic folks, not honda city vs a random hyundai....
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#5157
Race Director
Maybe a bit of reading comprehension is in order:
Kinda the same way you imagine some things........
Kleber Silva is the pixel artist who imagined the newcomer in sedan specification,
#5158
Race Director
Pricing for the 2021 Honda Civic Type R has been announced, and that includes the Limited Edition model that was revealed back in March. The Phoenix Yellow hot hatch carries a large price premium of $6,500 over the base model for a total of $44,950.
You do get a number of special features for the extra money. The Limited Edition is an exclusive model, with just 600 coming to the United States. It's the only model to get the Phoenix Yellow paint color, a throwback to past Type R models. It also features lightweight forged BBS wheels that save a total of 18 pounds, and other little bits have been removed to save a further 28 pounds from the body. It's also the version that recently set a lap record at Suzuka in Japan.
The base Type R is still available of course, and it's still loads of fun. It's slightly more expensive than last year, though. At $38,450, it's $500 more than the 2020 model. Nothing on it has changed since the update for the 2020 model year.
You do get a number of special features for the extra money. The Limited Edition is an exclusive model, with just 600 coming to the United States. It's the only model to get the Phoenix Yellow paint color, a throwback to past Type R models. It also features lightweight forged BBS wheels that save a total of 18 pounds, and other little bits have been removed to save a further 28 pounds from the body. It's also the version that recently set a lap record at Suzuka in Japan.
The base Type R is still available of course, and it's still loads of fun. It's slightly more expensive than last year, though. At $38,450, it's $500 more than the 2020 model. Nothing on it has changed since the update for the 2020 model year.
#5159
Whats up with RDX owners?
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That's an expensive paint job.
#5160
I'm surprised Honda hasn't done another Mugen Civic Si or Civic RR like with the 7th gen.