Honda: Civic News
#4201
Team Owner
What so special with RWD?. Put heavy all season tires on Bmw 320i. It will handle worse than Civic and performance gap will be greater. my TSX rear view camera is super reliable after 7 years. I expect Civic has the new Tech and LED headlights. Highest safety rankings . Civic Si will beat 328i almost to level of 340i with summer performance tires.
A Civic Si will run with a 340i?
I like how SSFTSX always says "just mod this Honda product and it will keep up with anything". Um, yeah, that's true about ANY car out there.
#4202
What is so special with RWD? It is magical.
It already has Heavy or maybe even Heavier runflats. Why don't you put some heavy bricks in the Civic and it will handle worse than the 320 with heavy all season tires.
Whose backup camera is not reliable?
so give me the specs of the civic Si and let us be the judge.
It already has Heavy or maybe even Heavier runflats. Why don't you put some heavy bricks in the Civic and it will handle worse than the 320 with heavy all season tires.
Whose backup camera is not reliable?
so give me the specs of the civic Si and let us be the judge.
The point is newer civic is lower, wider. so it is far more aerodynamic. if it gets 240bhp turbo engine. It will surely blast BMW 328i sport. Honda bhp is so much more.
2012 Civic Sedan Si 0-120 mph 25 second. 0.88g on 215 wide tires
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...si-sedan-1.pdf
2016 BMW 328i with sport. 0-120mph in 21.7 second. 0.93g on 255 wide rear tire
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mw328i2016.pdf
#4203
Team Owner
do you know how big of a difference 3-4 secs are at 120 mph?
Or you can put 255 tires on the 2012 Si to see if it is any faster or handles better? My guess is it will be slower and have more understeer.
Honda can have the best 5 diamond stars rated BHP, if it does not get to the ground, it is all useless.
Or you can put 255 tires on the 2012 Si to see if it is any faster or handles better? My guess is it will be slower and have more understeer.
Honda can have the best 5 diamond stars rated BHP, if it does not get to the ground, it is all useless.
#4205
do you know how big of a difference 3-4 secs are at 120 mph?
Or you can put 255 tires on the 2012 Si to see if it is any faster or handles better? My guess is it will be slower and have more understeer.
Honda can have the best 5 diamond stars rated BHP, if it does not get to the ground, it is all useless.
Or you can put 255 tires on the 2012 Si to see if it is any faster or handles better? My guess is it will be slower and have more understeer.
Honda can have the best 5 diamond stars rated BHP, if it does not get to the ground, it is all useless.
I've driven a few late 2000's 3 series MT beamers and those are also very nice to drive. Si was more raw, 3's were more refined. both alot of fun.
255 tires would be overkill on an Si. stock wheels were 7 inches wide and had 215's... people would go 17x8 and put on 235's, or 245's. Understeer is a product of a number of things which can be mitigated to a degree.
#4206
Team Owner
My 08 Si had a K20 with 201hp and they would dyno stock in the 170's WHP. Pretty decent drivetrain efficiency. Also had a pretty good LSD. With intake, header, exhaust and a good tune they would dyno 195-210WHP. Plenty of power to have fun on the street as the car was so light, clutch super light, shifter very precise. Just a great car to drive.
I've driven a few late 2000's 3 series MT beamers and those are also very nice to drive. Si was more raw, 3's were more refined. both alot of fun.
255 tires would be overkill on an Si. stock wheels were 7 inches wide and had 215's... people would go 17x8 and put on 235's, or 245's. Understeer is a product of a number of things which can be mitigated to a degree.
I've driven a few late 2000's 3 series MT beamers and those are also very nice to drive. Si was more raw, 3's were more refined. both alot of fun.
255 tires would be overkill on an Si. stock wheels were 7 inches wide and had 215's... people would go 17x8 and put on 235's, or 245's. Understeer is a product of a number of things which can be mitigated to a degree.
If you wanna talk about tune, a $500 JB4 and a $700 DP will bring 328 at 300WHP+
#4207
Team Owner
So you are saying if i put a 1000hp engine in the Si, it will get to 120mph in negative times?
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#4208
GEEZER
If I put a 1000 HP Motor in my Audi...will I be able to burn all four tires off? Ugh boy.
#4209
Team Owner
You will unless you get some upgraded tires...
Actually it is probably true in this case
Actually it is probably true in this case
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1killercls (12-15-2015)
#4210
GEEZER
#4211
290bhp 0-130mph in 24s second for TLX. i am sure performance tires will imporve the performance by couple of seconds.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...lx-35l-fwd.pdf
#4212
Team Owner
So you were talking about Civic first, then Civic Si, then the imaginary Civic Si and now TLX....
you just proved to yourself that a 290hp TLX with all season tires is the same as a 328 with 240hp with all season RUN FLATS.
TLX should be 20% faster than 328 since it has 20% more superior Honda BHP
you just proved to yourself that a 290hp TLX with all season tires is the same as a 328 with 240hp with all season RUN FLATS.
TLX should be 20% faster than 328 since it has 20% more superior Honda BHP
#4213
328i is with Pilot supersport. it took 27.2 seconds to reach 0-130mph.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mw328i2016.pdf
Imagine Pilot Supersport on TLX. that gap will be atleast 7 seconds. TLX is simply on different level at higherspeed performance and aerodynamics.
TLX is also alot quieter.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mw328i2016.pdf
Imagine Pilot Supersport on TLX. that gap will be atleast 7 seconds. TLX is simply on different level at higherspeed performance and aerodynamics.
TLX is also alot quieter.
#4214
Team Owner
yah it also used 89 gas
There is no fucking way that a TLX is 7 faster than the 328... especially when 328 is faster than TLX to get to 60. Oh yah i forgot TLX has the Vtec kicked in yo feature.. that will make up the difference and + 7 secs on top of that....
here is the realistic # for you
2015 Acura TLX 3.5 V-6 FWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 182 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.83 g
2012 F30 328i with RUNFLAT ALL SEASON 225 square yes 225....
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
There is no fucking way that a TLX is 7 faster than the 328... especially when 328 is faster than TLX to get to 60. Oh yah i forgot TLX has the Vtec kicked in yo feature.. that will make up the difference and + 7 secs on top of that....
here is the realistic # for you
2015 Acura TLX 3.5 V-6 FWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 182 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.83 g
2012 F30 328i with RUNFLAT ALL SEASON 225 square yes 225....
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Last edited by oonowindoo; 12-15-2015 at 09:50 PM.
#4215
yah it also used 89 gas
There is no fucking way that a TLX is 7 faster than the 328... especially when 328 is faster than TLX to get to 60. Oh yah i forgot TLX has the Vtec kicked in yo feature.. that will make up the difference and + 7 secs on top of that....
here is the realistic # for you
2015 Acura TLX 3.5 V-6 FWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 182 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.83 g
2012 F30 328i with RUNFLAT ALL SEASON 225 square yes 225....
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
There is no fucking way that a TLX is 7 faster than the 328... especially when 328 is faster than TLX to get to 60. Oh yah i forgot TLX has the Vtec kicked in yo feature.. that will make up the difference and + 7 secs on top of that....
here is the realistic # for you
2015 Acura TLX 3.5 V-6 FWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 182 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.83 g
2012 F30 328i with RUNFLAT ALL SEASON 225 square yes 225....
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
0-130mph in 28.1 seconds with 0.87g. Full 4 second slower than TLX.
TLX tires are larger x-section 225/50/18 vs 225/45/18 for BMW.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...test-sheet.pdf
#4216
Team Owner
from where you pulling your data for 2012 F30?
0-130mph in 28.1 seconds with 0.87g. Full 4 second slower than TLX.
TLX tires are larger x-section 225/50/18 vs 225/45/18 for BMW.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...test-sheet.pdf
0-130mph in 28.1 seconds with 0.87g. Full 4 second slower than TLX.
TLX tires are larger x-section 225/50/18 vs 225/45/18 for BMW.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...test-sheet.pdf
2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver
and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.
#4217
Team Owner
#4219
From your favorite Car and Driver:
2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver
and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.
2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver
and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.
#4220
Team Owner
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#4221
Team Owner
But go find me a light weight TLX 6mt first and while you are at it, you still owe me the Specs for the Turbo Civic Si.
#4222
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From your favorite Car and Driver:
2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver
and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.
2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver
and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.
- Larger diameter means more material. This translates to more weight.
- Larger diameter also means more weight away from the center, which means increased moment of inertia. That ultimately means more energy is needed to move.
Granted, the difference is probably pretty small...lol...
Anyways, you guys can keep going
#4223
Putting pilot super sport is not big deal on TLX along with light weight rims. TLX is nothing less than 340i.
#4224
Team Owner
Ok I am getting busy now...
No more magazine racing with you.
No more magazine racing with you.
#4226
Team Owner
Acura wont even give you exhaust tips.... let alone 6mt...
#4227
Team Owner
let alone light weight rims and Pilot Super Sports.
All he keeps saying is that he can modify a Honda to be as fast as anything else. THAT'S TRUE FOR EVERY CAR OUT IN THE MARKET.
All he keeps saying is that he can modify a Honda to be as fast as anything else. THAT'S TRUE FOR EVERY CAR OUT IN THE MARKET.
#4228
Parts Manager Specials
TL FWD advance prices are around $37k with advance package. add to that $2500. At about $40k. you get a car that is as fast as $55k BMW 340i.
#4229
Team Owner
um, no. quit bench racing.
#4230
I drive a Subata.
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#4232
Team Owner
The accesory rims are on sale. tires+rims will be about $2500 investment.
Parts Manager Specials
TL FWD advance prices are around $37k with advance package. add to that $2500. At about $40k. you get a car that is as fast as $55k BMW 340i.
Parts Manager Specials
TL FWD advance prices are around $37k with advance package. add to that $2500. At about $40k. you get a car that is as fast as $55k BMW 340i.
or a $1000 Civic + $5000 in mods can run circles around anyone of them.
#4233
Team Owner
#4234
Mustang does not have luxury and quietness of TLX and certainly not built for long life like TLX. TLX will still hold 15 years. even year 2000 accords are selling for $4000.
#4235
Team Owner
So first you were talking about 0-130mph and you lost
then you started talking about the imaginary cars and option list for Honda/Acura, and you lost
now you are talking about Quietness and resale value...
Hey every car on the road is good at something.... but it does not make it a good car.
I can compare a 2005 Corolla and a 2015 TLX.... The 2005 Corolla is cheaper to fix than the TLX = Win for the Corolla. Then it must be a better car.
then you started talking about the imaginary cars and option list for Honda/Acura, and you lost
now you are talking about Quietness and resale value...
Hey every car on the road is good at something.... but it does not make it a good car.
I can compare a 2005 Corolla and a 2015 TLX.... The 2005 Corolla is cheaper to fix than the TLX = Win for the Corolla. Then it must be a better car.
#4236
I am talking about overall value of the car. A TLX cannot be surpassed in overall performance, comfort, reliability, refinement, equipment (there is no ventilated seats or hifi music system in corrolla), safety.
#4237
Team Owner
The next time I have to go to an Acura or Honda dealership, I want to take the same drugs SSFTSX is on so that I too can be in a delusional state of mind and see all the rainbows he does surrounding both car makers
#4238
It is the overall value of the vehicles. The whole is more than sum of parts.
Performance-Tested Tank - 2016 Honda Pilot Long-Term Road Test
The Pilot wasn't designed with track performance in mind, yet it remains one of the most competent vehicles in its class when pushed.
Performance-Tested Tank - 2016 Honda Pilot Long-Term Road Test
The Pilot wasn't designed with track performance in mind, yet it remains one of the most competent vehicles in its class when pushed.
#4239
Team Owner
Oh SSFTSX, you're just aimlessly grabbing at straws, hoping it get lucky eventually...
#4240
Team Owner
too bad not a lot of buyers seem to care about the car that has the best overall value that cannot be surpassed by anyone.