TacoBello

Only a person who has never driven a RWD car would ask what's so special about it.

A Civic Si will run with a 340i?

I like how SSFTSX always says "just mod this Honda product and it will keep up with anything". Um, yeah, that's true about ANY car out there.

SSFTSX

i have driven. i cant find that special with all season tires.

The point is newer civic is lower, wider. so it is far more aerodynamic. if it gets 240bhp turbo engine. It will surely blast BMW 328i sport. Honda bhp is so much more.



2012 Civic Sedan Si 0-120 mph 25 second. 0.88g on 215 wide tires
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...si-sedan-1.pdf


2016 BMW 328i with sport. 0-120mph in 21.7 second. 0.93g on 255 wide rear tire
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mw328i2016.pdf

oonowindoo

do you know how big of a difference 3-4 secs are at 120 mph?

Or you can put 255 tires on the 2012 Si to see if it is any faster or handles better? My guess is it will be slower and have more understeer.

Honda can have the best 5 diamond stars rated BHP, if it does not get to the ground, it is all useless.

SSFTSX

Civic Si was 201bhp while 328i is 240bhp. its 20% more power.

deduct 20% time from 25 sec. you get it at 20 second if you put 240bhp engine in Civic Si.

Booya4139

My 08 Si had a K20 with 201hp and they would dyno stock in the 170's WHP. Pretty decent drivetrain efficiency. Also had a pretty good LSD. With intake, header, exhaust and a good tune they would dyno 195-210WHP. Plenty of power to have fun on the street as the car was so light, clutch super light, shifter very precise. Just a great car to drive.

I've driven a few late 2000's 3 series MT beamers and those are also very nice to drive. Si was more raw, 3's were more refined. both alot of fun.

255 tires would be overkill on an Si. stock wheels were 7 inches wide and had 215's... people would go 17x8 and put on 235's, or 245's. Understeer is a product of a number of things which can be mitigated to a degree.

oonowindoo

I know what K20 is capable of. But just FYI 328 is dynoed (varies on type of Dyno) anywhere from 220 to 240 RWHP... not mention the torque.

If you wanna talk about tune, a $500 JB4 and a $700 DP will bring 328 at 300WHP+

oonowindoo

Is that how car's performance is measured?

So you are saying if i put a 1000hp engine in the Si, it will get to 120mph in negative times?

1killercls

If I put a 1000 HP Motor in my Audi...will I be able to burn all four tires off? Ugh boy.

oonowindoo

You will unless you get some upgraded tires...

Actually it is probably true in this case

1killercls

SSFTSX

it depends how much aerodynamics and correct tires.

290bhp 0-130mph in 24s second for TLX. i am sure performance tires will imporve the performance by couple of seconds.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...lx-35l-fwd.pdf

oonowindoo

So you were talking about Civic first, then Civic Si, then the imaginary Civic Si and now TLX....

you just proved to yourself that a 290hp TLX with all season tires is the same as a 328 with 240hp with all season RUN FLATS.

TLX should be 20% faster than 328 since it has 20% more superior Honda BHP

SSFTSX

328i is with Pilot supersport. it took 27.2 seconds to reach 0-130mph.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mw328i2016.pdf


Imagine Pilot Supersport on TLX. that gap will be atleast 7 seconds. TLX is simply on different level at higherspeed performance and aerodynamics.
TLX is also alot quieter.

oonowindoo

yah it also used 89 gas

There is no fucking way that a TLX is 7 faster than the 328... especially when 328 is faster than TLX to get to 60. Oh yah i forgot TLX has the Vtec kicked in yo feature.. that will make up the difference and + 7 secs on top of that....

here is the realistic # for you

2015 Acura TLX 3.5 V-6 FWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 182 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.83 g

2012 F30 328i with RUNFLAT ALL SEASON 225 square yes 225....
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.9 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g

SSFTSX

from where you pulling your data for 2012 F30?

0-130mph in 28.1 seconds with 0.87g. Full 4 second slower than TLX.
TLX tires are larger x-section 225/50/18 vs 225/45/18 for BMW.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...test-sheet.pdf

oonowindoo

From your favorite Car and Driver:

2012 BMW 328i Sport Line Manual Long-Term Test Wrap-Up ? Review ? Car and Driver

and show me how are 45 series tires any different from 50 series in a straight line 0-130mph run? If anything 50 series should have the advantage due to bigger overall diameter.

TacoBello

WTF? Physics doesn't work like that

Oonowin, why do you even bother with this guy?

myron

iTrader: (4)

wow I sure hope you're not an engineer of any sort

SSFTSX

Your manual car is 200lbs lighter than TLX. Put auto vs auto and the gap is 4 second. I am sure light weight TLX 6MT will maintain that gap.

oonowindoo

Not a lot of new activities lately, so just trying to find something to do.

oonowindoo

I am also sure a light weight TLX 6mt + 4 turbos + upgraded tires and other imaginary things will be faster than M3.

But go find me a light weight TLX 6mt first and while you are at it, you still owe me the Specs for the Turbo Civic Si.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Actually 50 series would be at a disadvantage:
- Larger diameter means more material. This translates to more weight.
- Larger diameter also means more weight away from the center, which means increased moment of inertia. That ultimately means more energy is needed to move.

Granted, the difference is probably pretty small...lol...


Anyways, you guys can keep going

SSFTSX

There is auto 328i already tested. so no need to bring manual 328i.
Putting pilot super sport is not big deal on TLX along with light weight rims. TLX is nothing less than 340i.

oonowindoo

Ok I am getting busy now...

No more magazine racing with you.

RPhilMan1

If only... Honda hattes us.

oonowindoo

Acura wont even give you exhaust tips.... let alone 6mt...

TacoBello

let alone light weight rims and Pilot Super Sports.

All he keeps saying is that he can modify a Honda to be as fast as anything else. THAT'S TRUE FOR EVERY CAR OUT IN THE MARKET.

SSFTSX

The accesory rims are on sale. tires+rims will be about $2500 investment.
Parts Manager Specials

TL FWD advance prices are around $37k with advance package. add to that $2500. At about $40k. you get a car that is as fast as $55k BMW 340i.

TacoBello

um, no. quit bench racing.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Booya4139

It isn't a power issue as much as its a traction issue. Which is why bench racing is highly inaccurate

oonowindoo

And a $30k Mustang GT can smoke both... what is your point?

or a $1000 Civic + $5000 in mods can run circles around anyone of them.

TacoBello

Yup pretty sure I said that five times in this thread already but ssftsx just won't clue in

SSFTSX

Mustang does not have luxury and quietness of TLX and certainly not built for long life like TLX. TLX will still hold 15 years. even year 2000 accords are selling for $4000.

oonowindoo

So first you were talking about 0-130mph and you lost
then you started talking about the imaginary cars and option list for Honda/Acura, and you lost

now you are talking about Quietness and resale value...

Hey every car on the road is good at something.... but it does not make it a good car.

I can compare a 2005 Corolla and a 2015 TLX.... The 2005 Corolla is cheaper to fix than the TLX = Win for the Corolla. Then it must be a better car.

SSFTSX

I am talking about overall value of the car. A TLX cannot be surpassed in overall performance, comfort, reliability, refinement, equipment (there is no ventilated seats or hifi music system in corrolla), safety.

TacoBello

The next time I have to go to an Acura or Honda dealership, I want to take the same drugs SSFTSX is on so that I too can be in a delusional state of mind and see all the rainbows he does surrounding both car makers

SSFTSX

It is the overall value of the vehicles. The whole is more than sum of parts.

Performance-Tested Tank - 2016 Honda Pilot Long-Term Road Test
The Pilot wasn't designed with track performance in mind, yet it remains one of the most competent vehicles in its class when pushed.

TacoBello

Oh SSFTSX, you're just aimlessly grabbing at straws, hoping it get lucky eventually...

oonowindoo

too bad not a lot of buyers seem to care about the car that has the best overall value that cannot be surpassed by anyone.