Ford: Recall News
#81
'Big Daddy Diggler'
you missed my point entirely.
we are all aware that every car company, whether it be domestic or import has quality issues at some point.
what I was pointing out is the irony of american companies shoving the whole "buy/support American products bc they are made in the good ol USA" down our throats. when they sub tranny work to china to boost profits.
we are all aware that every car company, whether it be domestic or import has quality issues at some point.
what I was pointing out is the irony of american companies shoving the whole "buy/support American products bc they are made in the good ol USA" down our throats. when they sub tranny work to china to boost profits.
#83
Senior Moderator
You cant say that it wouldnt have occurred, thats being pretty arrogant. We DONT know what the problem is. Every one is jumping to blame the Chinese. We simply dont know at this point what the problem is. And those saying that FORD NEEDS to do something, do you honestly think they are sitting there saying nothing is wrong? You can bet your bottom dollar they are working on findig out what the problem is. If they dont know what the cause is, its kinda hart to address it isnt it?
#84
You cant say that it wouldnt have occurred, thats being pretty arrogant. We DONT know what the problem is. Every one is jumping to blame the Chinese. We simply dont know at this point what the problem is. And those saying that FORD NEEDS to do something, do you honestly think they are sitting there saying nothing is wrong? You can bet your bottom dollar they are working on findig out what the problem is. If they dont know what the cause is, its kinda hart to address it isnt it?
I agree.
Whatever the problem is, you can bet that Ford is trying to address it. Whether it be through their own resources or through Getrag. Getrag, as a supplier to manufacturers beside Ford, is very aware of the problem and you can bet is attempting to find a solution. The easiest thing to rectify would be that of a quality issue that some are so apt to claim is the issue, but if that were indeed the problem then Getrag would have made steps towards rectifying it. This has not been the case so far.
Again, it's most likely a tolerance issue, but not having it on all transmissions make it very difficult to diagnose. It could be fluid. It could be mounting issues. It could be installation. It could be metallurgical. Who knows at this point. I know I sure the hell don't.
Personally, I'll wait until there is some sort of hard evidence before I voice an opinion. Whether it be quality, design, component, or constuction.
Terry
#85
The Dumb One
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i said that if quality control was better in the US (never said it was). that this could have been avoided/caught by spending the extra $$
#87
Safety Car
will . never . buy . american.
some of you guys have a really one-faceted reaction to this problem. why are you protecting ford by saying the tranny wasnt built by them? to me, that makes ford MUCH MORE at fault than if they had build it themselves. this is more than just a simple problem of manufacturing creditability.
ford made a decision to cut corners and outsource one major part, and that one part is the biggest problem on the vehicle (as far as we are concerned). they took a gamble and lost. now it is 100% inexcusable. and truthfully, they are now up shits creek more than ever since they either need to work with china to fix the problem, or try to repair trannys that they didnt manufacture in the first place.
if this tranny issue does become prevalent, then the chinese company may run into problems with repairing or building new trannys at high volume at no extra cost...they get in financial strains, then the chinese govt comes into play (like every business decision over there)...its one big cluster fuck of a mess that ford could have entirely avoided in the first place.
to me, that is MORE negligent on ford's behalf than if they were to have built their own problematic tranny. how can you argue against that? ...ford is lying to their customers to cover up a problem because A) they cant fix it themselves B) they are not attempting to fix due to contract with chinese or C) they cant readily obtain a new tranny from china per the customers needs. all of the above could have been 100% avoided if ford made their own tranny, even if it was a POS.
some of you guys have a really one-faceted reaction to this problem. why are you protecting ford by saying the tranny wasnt built by them? to me, that makes ford MUCH MORE at fault than if they had build it themselves. this is more than just a simple problem of manufacturing creditability.
ford made a decision to cut corners and outsource one major part, and that one part is the biggest problem on the vehicle (as far as we are concerned). they took a gamble and lost. now it is 100% inexcusable. and truthfully, they are now up shits creek more than ever since they either need to work with china to fix the problem, or try to repair trannys that they didnt manufacture in the first place.
if this tranny issue does become prevalent, then the chinese company may run into problems with repairing or building new trannys at high volume at no extra cost...they get in financial strains, then the chinese govt comes into play (like every business decision over there)...its one big cluster fuck of a mess that ford could have entirely avoided in the first place.
to me, that is MORE negligent on ford's behalf than if they were to have built their own problematic tranny. how can you argue against that? ...ford is lying to their customers to cover up a problem because A) they cant fix it themselves B) they are not attempting to fix due to contract with chinese or C) they cant readily obtain a new tranny from china per the customers needs. all of the above could have been 100% avoided if ford made their own tranny, even if it was a POS.
Last edited by ThermonMermon; 04-27-2011 at 08:10 AM.
#88
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I don't think it has to do with domestic or import. At this point, we have a tranny built overseas...and an Acura built in Ohio (right?). The world market is pretty ironic.
I was giddy for the 5.0...
the only thing this confirms for me is that it's never a good idea to buy a first model year of a car.
I was giddy for the 5.0...
the only thing this confirms for me is that it's never a good idea to buy a first model year of a car.
#89
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I don't think it has to do with domestic or import. At this point, we have a tranny built overseas...and an Acura built in Ohio (right?). The world market is pretty ironic.
I was giddy for the 5.0...the only thing this confirms for me is that it's never a good idea to buy a first model year of a car.
I was giddy for the 5.0...the only thing this confirms for me is that it's never a good idea to buy a first model year of a car.
Want one so bad....but now.....
#90
I think that is exactly the point. It doesn't matter if you're sourcing from Mexico, the US, Japan or China .... shit happens.
No one even knows what the problem is, so it is FAR too early to say, "Well, if they hadn't tried to get cheap by manufacturing in China .... ". Could've happened anywhere.
No one even knows what the problem is, so it is FAR too early to say, "Well, if they hadn't tried to get cheap by manufacturing in China .... ". Could've happened anywhere.
#92
I'm not sure if this is related, but I was just looking at AutoTrader, and there are quite a few used 2011 Mustangs with manual transmissions for sale. I don't recall seeing anything quite like that, so I did a specific search. There are ten within 100 miles of my rural Ohio location, all GTs or Shelbys. Of those with a CarFax available, none show a repossession and all were owned between one and nine months.
I'm sure at least some of those are from people who realized they couldn't afford the car or fell victim to the "your financing fell through, come in and renegotiate" trick--a couple are at a dealer notorious for that--but if people are getting rid of a car owned less than a year, there has to be something going on.
I'm sure at least some of those are from people who realized they couldn't afford the car or fell victim to the "your financing fell through, come in and renegotiate" trick--a couple are at a dealer notorious for that--but if people are getting rid of a car owned less than a year, there has to be something going on.
#93
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
#95
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#96
Senior Moderator
will . never . buy . american.
some of you guys have a really one-faceted reaction to this problem. why are you protecting ford by saying the tranny wasnt built by them? to me, that makes ford MUCH MORE at fault than if they had build it themselves. this is more than just a simple problem of manufacturing creditability.
ford made a decision to cut corners and outsource one major part, and that one part is the biggest problem on the vehicle (as far as we are concerned). they took a gamble and lost. now it is 100% inexcusable. and truthfully, they are now up shits creek more than ever since they either need to work with china to fix the problem, or try to repair trannys that they didnt manufacture in the first place.
if this tranny issue does become prevalent, then the chinese company may run into problems with repairing or building new trannys at high volume at no extra cost...they get in financial strains, then the chinese govt comes into play (like every business decision over there)...its one big cluster fuck of a mess that ford could have entirely avoided in the first place.
to me, that is MORE negligent on ford's behalf than if they were to have built their own problematic tranny. how can you argue against that? ...ford is lying to their customers to cover up a problem because A) they cant fix it themselves B) they are not attempting to fix due to contract with chinese or C) they cant readily obtain a new tranny from china per the customers needs. all of the above could have been 100% avoided if ford made their own tranny, even if it was a POS.
some of you guys have a really one-faceted reaction to this problem. why are you protecting ford by saying the tranny wasnt built by them? to me, that makes ford MUCH MORE at fault than if they had build it themselves. this is more than just a simple problem of manufacturing creditability.
ford made a decision to cut corners and outsource one major part, and that one part is the biggest problem on the vehicle (as far as we are concerned). they took a gamble and lost. now it is 100% inexcusable. and truthfully, they are now up shits creek more than ever since they either need to work with china to fix the problem, or try to repair trannys that they didnt manufacture in the first place.
if this tranny issue does become prevalent, then the chinese company may run into problems with repairing or building new trannys at high volume at no extra cost...they get in financial strains, then the chinese govt comes into play (like every business decision over there)...its one big cluster fuck of a mess that ford could have entirely avoided in the first place.
to me, that is MORE negligent on ford's behalf than if they were to have built their own problematic tranny. how can you argue against that? ...ford is lying to their customers to cover up a problem because A) they cant fix it themselves B) they are not attempting to fix due to contract with chinese or C) they cant readily obtain a new tranny from china per the customers needs. all of the above could have been 100% avoided if ford made their own tranny, even if it was a POS.
I fail to see how or where Ford is Negligent and covering up anything. No where does it say anywhere that they are refusing to acknowledge the problem or fix it. It is however kind of hard to admit the problem when you DONT know what it is or how to fix it. Some are way to quick to jump on the we need to blame someone badwagon.
#97
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#100
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
And if the problem isnt known yet or how to fix it what should ford say?
BUT how about a letter or something to the people who have purchased a 2011/2012 Mustang....
"Dear Valued Ford Customer...
We at Ford Motor Company, are aware that there are transmission problems with some examples of in our Mustang cars. We assure you our engineers are taking every step possible to rectify the situation as soon as possible. When a solution is found you will be notified as to the propler action to be taken....." ..."If in the meantime your transmission causes you a problem please take your car to an authorized Ford dealership, in order to obtain a temporary solution until a permanant fix is found...."
Would something like this kill them?
It would be a show of good faith and it would go a looooonnnnggg way toward smoothing some already ruffled feathers....
#101
Senior Moderator
"Dear Valued Ford Customer...
We at Ford Motor Company, are aware that there are transmission problems with some examples of in our Mustang cars. We assure you our engineers are taking every step possible to rectify the situation as soon as possible. When a solution is found you will be notified as to the propler action to be taken....." ..."If in the meantime your transmission causes you a problem please take your car to an authorized Ford dealership, in order to obtain a temporary solution until a permanant fix is found...."
Would something like this kill them?
It would be a show of good faith and it would go a looooonnnnggg way toward smoothing some already ruffled feathers....
We at Ford Motor Company, are aware that there are transmission problems with some examples of in our Mustang cars. We assure you our engineers are taking every step possible to rectify the situation as soon as possible. When a solution is found you will be notified as to the propler action to be taken....." ..."If in the meantime your transmission causes you a problem please take your car to an authorized Ford dealership, in order to obtain a temporary solution until a permanant fix is found...."
Would something like this kill them?
It would be a show of good faith and it would go a looooonnnnggg way toward smoothing some already ruffled feathers....
I'd love to hear something from Amisconception. He may have a better understanding of how an automaker deals with these types of situations.
Last edited by dom; 04-27-2011 at 03:35 PM.
#103
Three Wheelin'
Regardless of who made the transmission or where it was made, Ford is still responsible and should correct it accordingly when the problem is discovered and a solution developed.
#104
Senior Moderator
Ford should send letters out to affected customers and say a fix is in the work and in the mean time try to come up with a band-aid fix along with something permanent to fix the issue.
#106
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#107
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#108
That was uncalled for...
I trule believe this issue is being blown out of proportion by the internet forums. Like I said in a previous post, the number of people that have no issues is more than double those that claim rough shifting.
Just think, you're a new owner... you get a bit of a clunk or grind going into gear. What's the first thing you do? Google "2011 Mustang rough shifting"...
Look at the first result: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&so...mustang+rough+
The monster thread from AllFordMustangs that is spreading the web like wildfire.
I don't doubt there is something wrong with certain peoples cars, but I do think the issue is being blown out of proportion a bit. (This may not be how I felt a few pages back, but just looking at the numbers it's hard to say that the majority of cars are affected)
Just think, you're a new owner... you get a bit of a clunk or grind going into gear. What's the first thing you do? Google "2011 Mustang rough shifting"...
Look at the first result: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&so...mustang+rough+
The monster thread from AllFordMustangs that is spreading the web like wildfire.
I don't doubt there is something wrong with certain peoples cars, but I do think the issue is being blown out of proportion a bit. (This may not be how I felt a few pages back, but just looking at the numbers it's hard to say that the majority of cars are affected)
#110
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Honestly, I can agree...I work in smart meters...the company I work for is changing all 4.5 million of them. There is a small percentage in relation to all that are getting changed, that fail...no display, or burn up...but those are the ones that get the press and it's a constant battle to remind people internally that if it weren't for the exception (rather than the rule) we wouldn't have a job.
I don't doubt that it's a somewhat isolated incident...but to be honest, if I experienced what the guy in the first video experienced, I wouldnt' care how many other people had the same problem...I'd be so pissed off. 2 Tranny's, 3 clutches, etc...to me, that happens, assuming it's all true...if I were Ford, I'd gladly give that guy a new car and take his for analysis since it's obviously displaying all the problems.
I don't doubt that it's a somewhat isolated incident...but to be honest, if I experienced what the guy in the first video experienced, I wouldnt' care how many other people had the same problem...I'd be so pissed off. 2 Tranny's, 3 clutches, etc...to me, that happens, assuming it's all true...if I were Ford, I'd gladly give that guy a new car and take his for analysis since it's obviously displaying all the problems.
#111
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even if the majority are fine... say 2/3...
if my car was acting just fine, i would still want to know the answer when available. when the solution was provided, i would want my transmission/clutch replaced with the updated version.
even the ones that aren't affected (yet) still have a right for concern and questioning.
if my car was acting just fine, i would still want to know the answer when available. when the solution was provided, i would want my transmission/clutch replaced with the updated version.
even the ones that aren't affected (yet) still have a right for concern and questioning.
#112
Senior Moderator
even if the majority are fine... say 2/3...
if my car was acting just fine, i would still want to know the answer when available. when the solution was provided, i would want my transmission/clutch replaced with the updated version.
even the ones that aren't affected (yet) still have a right for concern and questioning.
if my car was acting just fine, i would still want to know the answer when available. when the solution was provided, i would want my transmission/clutch replaced with the updated version.
even the ones that aren't affected (yet) still have a right for concern and questioning.
#113
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simply because of the potential of it happening later on.
why would you rather take a chance of it crapping out on you leaving you on the side of the interstate over getting the "refined" version of the transmission that has been tested/proven to work and be reliable..
makes tons of sense to me....
and you're also assuming only a certain range of vins will be affected.
i was stating that people who havent been affected (yet) have every reason to be concerned and keep up with the situation, even if they arent having any issues at this time.
why would you rather take a chance of it crapping out on you leaving you on the side of the interstate over getting the "refined" version of the transmission that has been tested/proven to work and be reliable..
makes tons of sense to me....
and you're also assuming only a certain range of vins will be affected.
i was stating that people who havent been affected (yet) have every reason to be concerned and keep up with the situation, even if they arent having any issues at this time.
#114
I am still a huge fan of the 5.0 and the leaps and bounds Ford is making, but I'd want to know that the company is standing behind its product rather than turning a blind eye and going "we can't seem to find a problem at all...."
Of course as it's been speculated, there's may be some thought behind it as well. They might need time to discover the problem first and have a remedy, rather than just telling people they have nothing for them at the moment. Outright saying that their almost brand new product is defective from the get-go doesn't project the right image. But as a consumer I still think that's bullshit.
Acura did respond, but it did take years, did it not? Regardless, I don't think it's right or wrong to compare what one company did compared to another. They should all try and rectify the problems immediately and assure their buyers that they will be taken care of.
Of course as it's been speculated, there's may be some thought behind it as well. They might need time to discover the problem first and have a remedy, rather than just telling people they have nothing for them at the moment. Outright saying that their almost brand new product is defective from the get-go doesn't project the right image. But as a consumer I still think that's bullshit.
Acura did respond, but it did take years, did it not? Regardless, I don't think it's right or wrong to compare what one company did compared to another. They should all try and rectify the problems immediately and assure their buyers that they will be taken care of.
#116
Senior Moderator
simply because of the potential of it happening later on.
why would you rather take a chance of it crapping out on you leaving you on the side of the interstate over getting the "refined" version of the transmission that has been tested/proven to work and be reliable..
makes tons of sense to me....
and you're also assuming only a certain range of vins will be affected.
i was stating that people who havent been affected (yet) have every reason to be concerned and keep up with the situation, even if they arent having any issues at this time.
why would you rather take a chance of it crapping out on you leaving you on the side of the interstate over getting the "refined" version of the transmission that has been tested/proven to work and be reliable..
makes tons of sense to me....
and you're also assuming only a certain range of vins will be affected.
i was stating that people who havent been affected (yet) have every reason to be concerned and keep up with the situation, even if they arent having any issues at this time.
i would want my transmission/clutch replaced with the updated version.
#117
Senior Moderator
I am still a huge fan of the 5.0 and the leaps and bounds Ford is making, but I'd want to know that the company is standing behind its product rather than turning a blind eye and going "we can't seem to find a problem at all...."
Of course as it's been speculated, there's may be some thought behind it as well. They might need time to discover the problem first and have a remedy, rather than just telling people they have nothing for them at the moment. Outright saying that their almost brand new product is defective from the get-go doesn't project the right image. But as a consumer I still think that's bullshit.
Acura did respond, but it did take years, did it not? Regardless, I don't think it's right or wrong to compare what one company did compared to another. They should all try and rectify the problems immediately and assure their buyers that they will be taken care of.
Of course as it's been speculated, there's may be some thought behind it as well. They might need time to discover the problem first and have a remedy, rather than just telling people they have nothing for them at the moment. Outright saying that their almost brand new product is defective from the get-go doesn't project the right image. But as a consumer I still think that's bullshit.
Acura did respond, but it did take years, did it not? Regardless, I don't think it's right or wrong to compare what one company did compared to another. They should all try and rectify the problems immediately and assure their buyers that they will be taken care of.
Acura never responded. They gave some BS line about the 2nd gear recall and oil jet and never addressed what the real problem was. If it werent for the 2nd gear recall i doubt there would have been any thing done about the 3rd gear extended warranty. No info was ever really given about that and to this day the problem still exists.
#118
That was uncalled for...
New Jalopnik article: http://ca.jalopnik.com/5796207/ford-...-transmissions
Ford's response: "We remain absolutely committed to the highest quality in all of our vehicles and are looking into this matter. We remain committed to continuous improvement."
Ford's response: "We remain absolutely committed to the highest quality in all of our vehicles and are looking into this matter. We remain committed to continuous improvement."
#120
Senior Moderator
New Jalopnik article: http://ca.jalopnik.com/5796207/ford-...-transmissions
Ford's response: "We remain absolutely committed to the highest quality in all of our vehicles and are looking into this matter. We remain committed to continuous improvement."
Ford's response: "We remain absolutely committed to the highest quality in all of our vehicles and are looking into this matter. We remain committed to continuous improvement."