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I'm mixed on it, but I'm sure the things I don't like about the exterior (grille, grey trim) can be fixed. Taillights are ok. Overall, it's not bad. Love the wheels on the red one.
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Improved? I like it more than the current.
The interior is better, but still "cheap"...that center stack is
It's no mind-blower, but it is nice.
The interior is better, but still "cheap"...that center stack is
It's no mind-blower, but it is nice.
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Interior still looks hard and cheap. Ill reserve final till i can get in and touch, but if its any thing like what its replacing no thanks. The camaro looks better any way
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Camaro > Mustang...thanks for coming out, Ford.
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Remember when we were all talking about the return of the muscle-car wars? You know, the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro, 2009 Dodge Challenger and 2010 Ford Mustang locked in a V8-powered, testosterone-saturated, mustache-stroking, smack-talking, bitch-slappin', patch-laying death match? That was great. Good times. Way better than the housing/financial/automotive apocalypse that's now upon us.
Well, put your troubles behind you, brother, because the new Camaro and the updated Mustang are just around the corner and the Challenger is waiting for them. We're going to party like it's 1929! Or 1969. Or, whatever.
Now Angrier
Anyway, there's a new Mustang in town and it's 28 percent meaner-looking.
From 40 paces, the 2010 Ford Mustang looks a lot like the retro-inflected 'Stang that we've been seeing for about four years now. The rough size of the car is the same and so is the styling silhouette, since it's built on the same underpinnings as the current car.
From 20 paces, though, it's obvious that every panel (apart from the roof) has been changed in advance of this car's coming-out party at the Los Angeles auto show. (The 2010 Mustang actually goes on sale early next year, around the same time as the Camaro.) And despite a new retro-inspired haunch over the rear wheels, the overall effect of the restyled look is much more modern. Why exactly the buying public loves angry-looking cars we'll leave to the head-shrinkers.
The 2010 Ford Mustang looks leaner, although it actually gains a few pounds. It looks lower, although it's not. With headlights trimmed in black chrome (at least on the GT model) and a squatter, all-black grille, the look is sinister. Even the pony mounted to the center of the grille is finished in black chrome.
A sharply defined power dome on the hood of both the GT and the V6 models suggests a massive increase in the force beneath. This is merely styling, though; there's really no more power offered. The flank of the new Mustang is more carefully sculpted than the previous car, as the body appears to be shrink-wrapped over a skeleton. The new haunch adds some visual weight to the rear of the car. From certain angles, there's a bit of a suggestion of the Nissan GT-R's rear flank in the new Ford, too.
Now Cleaner
Ford has also replaced the horridly cheap, plastic-clad Dumbo-ear outside mirrors of the current Mustang with nicer-looking mirrors with body-color caps. Although your eye might not pick it up, airflow likes the new shape better. Ford tells us that the 2010 Mustang V6 has 4 percent less aerodynamic drag than before, while the additional use of a belly pan beneath the engine bay of the Mustang GT produces 7 percent less drag than before. In addition, the 2010 Mustang GT has 23 percent less aerodynamic lift over the front wheels than the current car.
Tucking the windshield wipers under the hood and moving the antenna to the rear of the car helps make it look less cheap, we think. Wind noise is down 12 percent, according to the Ford engineers. Also, the designers managed to remove the windshield-washer squirt nozzles from the surface of the hood. Judging by how many times company representatives referred to them as "ugly warts," we're guessing they're particularly proud of this move. It should at least make it easier to apply hood stripes.
Now Less Cheesy
The Ford guys have always hated hearing that the interior of the Mustang felt and looked cheap. This is because they knew it was true.
As a result, a fair amount of effort has been devoted to improving the interior by using better-quality materials. In particular, the instrument panel looks nicer, with a new one-piece design that Ford says has reduced squeaks and rattles by 33 percent (and here we didn't even know that you could quantify squeaks and rattles so precisely).
They've redesigned the center console also, giving it a smooth, attractive arc.
Two different interior upgrade packages will be available with the 2010 Ford Mustang. The Premium package brings leather upholstery, a leather-wrapped steering wheel with aluminum spokes, bright aluminum trim for the dash and ribbed door-panel inserts. The Premier package adds higher-grade leather, an aluminum shift knob for the lever of the manual transmission, and the choice of red, blue or "Cashmere" accent colors to go with the black interior. A navigation system will be optional, as will the Sync 2.0 entertainment and information system (using an 8-inch screen), a power-adjustable driver seat, aluminum pedals and even a rearview camera.
Dirty Bits
If you're wondering why we've waited this long in the story to mention mechanical upgrades to the Mustang, it's because they are considerably less substantial than the body and interior improvements.
Both the V6 and GT get bigger wheels and tires. The V6 comes with 215/60R17 BFGoodrich tires on 17-inch wheels as standard equipment and 235/50R18 Pirellis on 18s are optional. The GT comes with the Pirellis and 18s as standard equipment, while 245/45R19 Pirelli tires on 19s are optional. Later in the 2010 model year, Ford will offer a performance package that'll come with 19-inch summer tires and will carry unique suspension tuning and a 3.73:1 rear-axle ratio (previously available only on the Bullitt model).
Ford engineers reckon that a GT with the all-season 19s will generate 0.90g on the skid pad. The 19-inch summer tires are supposed to be good for 0.93g. Every Mustang GT with 19-inch wheels also comes with a strut-tower brace.
Ford hasn't made any radical changes to the basic suspension setup (i.e., there will be no independent rear suspension). Nevertheless, new front suspension struts come with bigger pistons for more precise damping control, the springs are stiffer and the antiroll bars are different. Ford claims the combination of the new chassis setup and the new tires offers better grip in both the dry and the wet, a more neutral handling balance, less body roll in the corners and improved braking. We'll see soon enough, when we get our butts in the seat.
All 2010 Ford Mustangs will come standard with traction and stability control systems. The GT has an intermediate sport setting that should allow for some modest tail-wagging fun.
Ford says the weight of the GT increases by only 15 pounds and the V6 is up only 35 pounds. And Ford hastens to add that the Mustang is still very much lighter than "our new competitors." Judging by the last Mustang Bullitt we had on our scales, we reckon the '10 Mustang will weigh about 3,500 pounds. This makes it about 500 pounds lighter than a Dodge Challenger R/T and about 400 less than a Chevy Camaro SS. Still, the R/T and particularly the SS will have much better power-to-weight ratios.
And that's because....
Powertrain
The GT's 24-valve, SOHC 4.6-liter V8 gets just a small boost from 300 horsepower to 315 hp and a bump in torque from 320 pound-feet to 325 lb-ft. This is thanks to a new cold-air intake system. Redline also rises to 6,500 rpm from 6,250 rpm. If these numbers sound familiar, it's because they are the same numbers that the '09 Mustang Bullitt makes.
If that's not enough juice for you, Ford Racing will offer a dealer-installed supercharger package that will push power above 400 hp. You can go ahead and forget about the so-called 6.0-liter Boss V8. According to our sources, using this motor would have required some heavy modifications to the Mustang's front end. A twin-turbocharged V6 that makes more than 350 hp is in the works for the Mustang's future, we're told.
Meanwhile, the standard Mustang carries the same iron-block 4.0-liter V6 as before and it makes a frankly pitiful 210 hp, at least 90 hp less than the Camaro V6. The five-speed manual transmissions are carry-overs for both the V6 and GT.
The Deal
Don't expect the price of the 2010 Ford Mustang to rise much above that of the '09 version, especially because Chevrolet has been surprisingly aggressive in pricing the 2010 Camaro (a base V6 starts at $22,995). The 2009 Mustang V6 starts at $20,790, and the 2010 model should continue to undercut the Camaro by a couple thousand dollars. (It's going to need to, considering the performance differential between the two.) We wouldn't expect the price of the 2010 Mustang GT to go much over the $27,570 base price of the current car. At $28,000, the GT would be roughly $3,000 cheaper than the 422-hp Camaro.
The 2010 Ford Mustang will be available in coupe, convertible and sunroof-equipped versions from the start of production. The Camaro will not, of course. Also, the Mustang comes standard with turn signals that light sequentially like the 1968-'70 Shelby Mustangs. So, there's that.
Well, put your troubles behind you, brother, because the new Camaro and the updated Mustang are just around the corner and the Challenger is waiting for them. We're going to party like it's 1929! Or 1969. Or, whatever.
Now Angrier
Anyway, there's a new Mustang in town and it's 28 percent meaner-looking.
From 40 paces, the 2010 Ford Mustang looks a lot like the retro-inflected 'Stang that we've been seeing for about four years now. The rough size of the car is the same and so is the styling silhouette, since it's built on the same underpinnings as the current car.
From 20 paces, though, it's obvious that every panel (apart from the roof) has been changed in advance of this car's coming-out party at the Los Angeles auto show. (The 2010 Mustang actually goes on sale early next year, around the same time as the Camaro.) And despite a new retro-inspired haunch over the rear wheels, the overall effect of the restyled look is much more modern. Why exactly the buying public loves angry-looking cars we'll leave to the head-shrinkers.
The 2010 Ford Mustang looks leaner, although it actually gains a few pounds. It looks lower, although it's not. With headlights trimmed in black chrome (at least on the GT model) and a squatter, all-black grille, the look is sinister. Even the pony mounted to the center of the grille is finished in black chrome.
A sharply defined power dome on the hood of both the GT and the V6 models suggests a massive increase in the force beneath. This is merely styling, though; there's really no more power offered. The flank of the new Mustang is more carefully sculpted than the previous car, as the body appears to be shrink-wrapped over a skeleton. The new haunch adds some visual weight to the rear of the car. From certain angles, there's a bit of a suggestion of the Nissan GT-R's rear flank in the new Ford, too.
Now Cleaner
Ford has also replaced the horridly cheap, plastic-clad Dumbo-ear outside mirrors of the current Mustang with nicer-looking mirrors with body-color caps. Although your eye might not pick it up, airflow likes the new shape better. Ford tells us that the 2010 Mustang V6 has 4 percent less aerodynamic drag than before, while the additional use of a belly pan beneath the engine bay of the Mustang GT produces 7 percent less drag than before. In addition, the 2010 Mustang GT has 23 percent less aerodynamic lift over the front wheels than the current car.
Tucking the windshield wipers under the hood and moving the antenna to the rear of the car helps make it look less cheap, we think. Wind noise is down 12 percent, according to the Ford engineers. Also, the designers managed to remove the windshield-washer squirt nozzles from the surface of the hood. Judging by how many times company representatives referred to them as "ugly warts," we're guessing they're particularly proud of this move. It should at least make it easier to apply hood stripes.
Now Less Cheesy
The Ford guys have always hated hearing that the interior of the Mustang felt and looked cheap. This is because they knew it was true.
As a result, a fair amount of effort has been devoted to improving the interior by using better-quality materials. In particular, the instrument panel looks nicer, with a new one-piece design that Ford says has reduced squeaks and rattles by 33 percent (and here we didn't even know that you could quantify squeaks and rattles so precisely).
They've redesigned the center console also, giving it a smooth, attractive arc.
Two different interior upgrade packages will be available with the 2010 Ford Mustang. The Premium package brings leather upholstery, a leather-wrapped steering wheel with aluminum spokes, bright aluminum trim for the dash and ribbed door-panel inserts. The Premier package adds higher-grade leather, an aluminum shift knob for the lever of the manual transmission, and the choice of red, blue or "Cashmere" accent colors to go with the black interior. A navigation system will be optional, as will the Sync 2.0 entertainment and information system (using an 8-inch screen), a power-adjustable driver seat, aluminum pedals and even a rearview camera.
Dirty Bits
If you're wondering why we've waited this long in the story to mention mechanical upgrades to the Mustang, it's because they are considerably less substantial than the body and interior improvements.
Both the V6 and GT get bigger wheels and tires. The V6 comes with 215/60R17 BFGoodrich tires on 17-inch wheels as standard equipment and 235/50R18 Pirellis on 18s are optional. The GT comes with the Pirellis and 18s as standard equipment, while 245/45R19 Pirelli tires on 19s are optional. Later in the 2010 model year, Ford will offer a performance package that'll come with 19-inch summer tires and will carry unique suspension tuning and a 3.73:1 rear-axle ratio (previously available only on the Bullitt model).
Ford engineers reckon that a GT with the all-season 19s will generate 0.90g on the skid pad. The 19-inch summer tires are supposed to be good for 0.93g. Every Mustang GT with 19-inch wheels also comes with a strut-tower brace.
Ford hasn't made any radical changes to the basic suspension setup (i.e., there will be no independent rear suspension). Nevertheless, new front suspension struts come with bigger pistons for more precise damping control, the springs are stiffer and the antiroll bars are different. Ford claims the combination of the new chassis setup and the new tires offers better grip in both the dry and the wet, a more neutral handling balance, less body roll in the corners and improved braking. We'll see soon enough, when we get our butts in the seat.
All 2010 Ford Mustangs will come standard with traction and stability control systems. The GT has an intermediate sport setting that should allow for some modest tail-wagging fun.
Ford says the weight of the GT increases by only 15 pounds and the V6 is up only 35 pounds. And Ford hastens to add that the Mustang is still very much lighter than "our new competitors." Judging by the last Mustang Bullitt we had on our scales, we reckon the '10 Mustang will weigh about 3,500 pounds. This makes it about 500 pounds lighter than a Dodge Challenger R/T and about 400 less than a Chevy Camaro SS. Still, the R/T and particularly the SS will have much better power-to-weight ratios.
And that's because....
Powertrain
The GT's 24-valve, SOHC 4.6-liter V8 gets just a small boost from 300 horsepower to 315 hp and a bump in torque from 320 pound-feet to 325 lb-ft. This is thanks to a new cold-air intake system. Redline also rises to 6,500 rpm from 6,250 rpm. If these numbers sound familiar, it's because they are the same numbers that the '09 Mustang Bullitt makes.
If that's not enough juice for you, Ford Racing will offer a dealer-installed supercharger package that will push power above 400 hp. You can go ahead and forget about the so-called 6.0-liter Boss V8. According to our sources, using this motor would have required some heavy modifications to the Mustang's front end. A twin-turbocharged V6 that makes more than 350 hp is in the works for the Mustang's future, we're told.
Meanwhile, the standard Mustang carries the same iron-block 4.0-liter V6 as before and it makes a frankly pitiful 210 hp, at least 90 hp less than the Camaro V6. The five-speed manual transmissions are carry-overs for both the V6 and GT.
The Deal
Don't expect the price of the 2010 Ford Mustang to rise much above that of the '09 version, especially because Chevrolet has been surprisingly aggressive in pricing the 2010 Camaro (a base V6 starts at $22,995). The 2009 Mustang V6 starts at $20,790, and the 2010 model should continue to undercut the Camaro by a couple thousand dollars. (It's going to need to, considering the performance differential between the two.) We wouldn't expect the price of the 2010 Mustang GT to go much over the $27,570 base price of the current car. At $28,000, the GT would be roughly $3,000 cheaper than the 422-hp Camaro.
The 2010 Ford Mustang will be available in coupe, convertible and sunroof-equipped versions from the start of production. The Camaro will not, of course. Also, the Mustang comes standard with turn signals that light sequentially like the 1968-'70 Shelby Mustangs. So, there's that.
Camaro > Mustang...thanks for coming out, Ford.
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#773
The sizzle in the Steak
Ford is hit and miss.
Chrysler is miss.
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I love how people say the interior looks cheap going by pictures. I think Ford did a nice job on the interior over the 05-09. This is a mid 20's car, not a BMW.
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There are many cars in the mid-$20's that have far better interior materials, you don't need to go to BMW. Even a bottom-basement City Golf uses better quality materials than most Fords.
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however i do like this new updated interior
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And the Golf is seconds slower down the 1/4 mile and slower on a road course. I don't get people knocking the car for the interior. It's a performance car and you won't find anything close without paying a lot more coin. Show me a low 13s car in the mid 20's brand new with a warranty.
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And the Golf is seconds slower down the 1/4 mile and slower on a road course. I don't get people knocking the car for the interior. It's a performance car and you won't find anything close without paying a lot more coin. Show me a low 13s car in the mid 20's brand new with a warranty.
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And the Golf is seconds slower down the 1/4 mile and slower on a road course. I don't get people knocking the car for the interior. It's a performance car and you won't find anything close without paying a lot more coin. Show me a low 13s car in the mid 20's brand new with a warranty.
Where do you get low 13s? This is the same car as the Bullitt. The Bullitt did 13.8 @ 102. Ford is aiming at an affordable sports car, but for ~$3K more you can have over 400hp in the Camaro and 360hp in the G8. Both which have much better interiors.
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Those are mag times, which are always slow. I am going by owner times at a prepped track.
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The Mustang is about 400lbs lighter though. It's all about HP to weight. The SS will be faster in 2010, but in 2011 it should be interesting. Ford is working on a 400+hp 5.0L 4V engine.
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suspension, too. Camaro is going to own both the stang and challenger in the cornering dept.
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I would agree that the 2010 Camaro SS will be faster around a road course. Ford does have a nice factory package that will be released:
GT Track Package II (manual only, late availability)
Performance front/rear brake pads
GT500 Sta-Bars and rear lower control arms
Retuned struts and shocks
19-inch Pirelli Summer tires
3.73 axle ratio with carbon plates in the differential
Recalibrated AdvanceTrac®, traction control and anti-lock brakes
Like I said, in 2011 the Mustang GT will get a new 400+ 5.0L 4 valve VVT engine couple with a Tremec 6 speed. Add this “GT Track Package II” to the 2011 GT and you might be surprised at how the two stack up. The biggest downfall of the current car in terms of track handling is the all-season 235 tires and factory brakes. Remember, the Camaro SS is 400+ lbs heavier than the Mustang.
GT Track Package II (manual only, late availability)
Performance front/rear brake pads
GT500 Sta-Bars and rear lower control arms
Retuned struts and shocks
19-inch Pirelli Summer tires
3.73 axle ratio with carbon plates in the differential
Recalibrated AdvanceTrac®, traction control and anti-lock brakes
Like I said, in 2011 the Mustang GT will get a new 400+ 5.0L 4 valve VVT engine couple with a Tremec 6 speed. Add this “GT Track Package II” to the 2011 GT and you might be surprised at how the two stack up. The biggest downfall of the current car in terms of track handling is the all-season 235 tires and factory brakes. Remember, the Camaro SS is 400+ lbs heavier than the Mustang.
#792
Time for the real Camaro Z28.... LS7, lightened up track machine just like the Z28 from the 60's.
This reminds me of the time when the SVT Cobra came out.... I read in a Muscle Mustangs magazine and they were gushing about how IRS was so much better than the solid axle of the Camaro.
This reminds me of the time when the SVT Cobra came out.... I read in a Muscle Mustangs magazine and they were gushing about how IRS was so much better than the solid axle of the Camaro.
#794
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Although the Stang looks a little better, the Camaro and Challenger will shit on this thing. But at the end of the day, Ford will sell more Mustangs than the Camaro and Challenger combined.
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I dont think anyone noticed but they stuck this new stang into last weeks episode of knight rider for a about a minute.
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i see the differences. its enough to keep it around for a while longer. the stang doesnt drastically change ever four years, they usually keep the same lines around for about a decade and then do a complete makeover. I dont mind it, im not a ford fan tho
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2011 Ford Mustang GT to feature 5.0L V8?
The Ford Mustang is still tops in the sports car segment, but with new competition from the likes of the Dodge Challenger and the Chevrolet Camaro, the Mustang is starting to look over its shoulder. To ensure the Mustang doesn’t lose out in the latest round of the pony car wars, Ford is reportedly readying a new powerplant for the 2011 car.
With the Dodge Challenger R/T kicking out 372 horsepower and the Chevrolet Camaro SS producing upwards of 422 horsepower, the 2010 Mustang GT is a bit underpowered at only 315. To remedy that shortcoming, Ford is preparing to wedge a new 5.0L V8 underneath the hood of the 2011 Mustang.
Code-named ‘coyote’, the new 32-valve powerplant will be shared with the 2011 Ford F-150. In F-150 guise, the coyote powerplant will be producing upwards of 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque, so expect the 2011 GT to at least match those figures.
With the 2010 Mustang not hitting the market until this spring, we suspect Ford will keep the 5.0L Mustang under wraps for at least the next few months. However, with more powerful versions of the competition on the market, we’re sure Ford will be chomping at the bit to get the new ‘Stang to market.
The Ford Mustang is still tops in the sports car segment, but with new competition from the likes of the Dodge Challenger and the Chevrolet Camaro, the Mustang is starting to look over its shoulder. To ensure the Mustang doesn’t lose out in the latest round of the pony car wars, Ford is reportedly readying a new powerplant for the 2011 car.
With the Dodge Challenger R/T kicking out 372 horsepower and the Chevrolet Camaro SS producing upwards of 422 horsepower, the 2010 Mustang GT is a bit underpowered at only 315. To remedy that shortcoming, Ford is preparing to wedge a new 5.0L V8 underneath the hood of the 2011 Mustang.
Code-named ‘coyote’, the new 32-valve powerplant will be shared with the 2011 Ford F-150. In F-150 guise, the coyote powerplant will be producing upwards of 400 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque, so expect the 2011 GT to at least match those figures.
With the 2010 Mustang not hitting the market until this spring, we suspect Ford will keep the 5.0L Mustang under wraps for at least the next few months. However, with more powerful versions of the competition on the market, we’re sure Ford will be chomping at the bit to get the new ‘Stang to market.
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I have to admit, I'm starting to get impressed with Ford. I still see quality as an issue, but technology-wise/market-wise, they seem to be getting it. If GM can get it together, I guess Ford can, too.
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But I agree. Still somewhat worried about quality.