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Old 12-29-2009, 04:32 AM
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Now I'm disappointed. Clearly there is no IRS so that doesn't account for the gain, and they're still using a Panhard bar? I bet a Watt's link would do wonders to its already great handling. and is that right, a 44mm solid RSB? that's freaking humongous, for any car, even for the front.... but that's the rear sway?!

I'm confused.
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It's got the exact same weight distribution as 2010. Very odd.
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I still dont buy it, it says estimated, so I'll wait to see the actual numbers from Ford. No way the 6 speed manual gains 500 lbs vs. the 2010.
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Why is there such a difference in the rear hip head and shoulder room between the auto and manual?

Rear Headroom 34.7 auto 36.6 manual
Rear shoulder 51.6 auto 45.0 manual
Rear Hip room 46.8 auto 45.2 manual
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Why is there such a difference in the rear hip head and shoulder room between the auto and manual?

Rear Headroom 34.7 auto 36.6 manual
Rear shoulder 51.6 auto 45.0 manual
Rear Hip room 46.8 auto 45.2 manual
I think that chart was made by Rainman.

Half of it is coupe vs. convertible and half is manual vs. auto.

I think those specs are coupe vs. vert ...
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Sweet, I had a 95 stang (hence the screename). Man, I hope it doesn't weigh that much though. What happened to fun and tossable when it came to performance cars?

6 speed finally though.
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The new 2010 Mustangs are definitely more curvaceoues that the previous body style. I love the front cowl hood look. Not sure if I like the tail section as much.
Also the new Mustang is the bext bang for the buck$$$. The Camaro is just to expensive and angular (Transformers) and the Challenger is just to big and bulky (overweight) it needs to be sleeker.
But then again I am partial to Mustangs as you can see from my avatar!!

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The weights listed above are wrong:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

3600 lbs for the GT, which is about 300 lbs lighter than a Camaro SS.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The weights listed above are wrong:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...g_GT_Specs.pdf

3600 lbs for the GT, which is about 300 lbs lighter than a Camaro SS.
Straight from the horse's mouth. with that issue put to rest, the new Mustang GT has seated itself as my favorite of the 3 reborn pony cars once again
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Well thats good news. I couldn't figure out where all those extra lbs were coming from anyway....
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Hate to say it, but I told ya so

3700 lbs is still too heavy, but its a helluva lot better than 4000.

I hope they have a factory option for 3.73's or 4.10's, because that engine is gonna need alot more than 3.31's to pull good 1/4 times.
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I looked at the gearing for the 6 speed manual, and it looks pretty aggressive actually. 3.31's might act like 3.55's or higher due to the new gear ratios in the manual trans.

Also, I was looking at the convertible weight, the coupe manual is est at 3600, which is only about 50lbs more than the current version, so I'd say an extra 100hp, better gearing, better brakes are definitely worth 50lbs.
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I'm very very tempted to get a 5.0, I was really impressed by the significant improvements made to the car overall for '09. Better interior, SYNC etc.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I'm very very tempted to get a 5.0, I was really impressed by the significant improvements made to the car overall for '09. Better interior, SYNC etc.
Yup....same here. 5.0 + 6MT = win. That rear end still hasn't fully grown on me, but I think with tinted tails, debadging, slight drop, and wider wheels would help out enough.
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The rear doesn't bother me.

Besides, show me an Acura rear in the past year or two that looks better. Ford is making good looking cars that aren't falling apart like they used to.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
The rear doesn't bother me.

Besides, show me an Acura rear in the past year or two that looks better. Ford is making good looking cars that aren't falling apart like they used to.
Eh? Acura is quickly becoming the new standard-bearer for Godwin's Law. It's not as good of a rear as they had before. It really shouldn't be compared to anything else besides itself.

Front - better
Rear - worse
Everything else - better
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the new rear grew on me quickly, IMO the 05-09 rear was a little plain looking. The sequential turn signals are a nice touch too

all in the eye of the beholder
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Not a fan of the back or rear 3/4 view but the front is money (with the HIDs). The GT500 looks very good...
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
the new rear grew on me quickly, IMO the 05-09 rear was a little plain looking. The sequential turn signals are a nice touch too

all in the eye of the beholder
That's a feature some 1G, 60s era Ford Mustangs had as well. It's definitely a distinguishing feature in the new Stang.
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I wonder what the 5.O 6MT vert will be priced like.
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I wonder what the 5.O 6MT vert will be priced like.

The Mustang keeps just getting better and better.
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Probably very high 20's for a bare bones to mid 30's pretty loaded.
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
the new rear grew on me quickly, IMO the 05-09 rear was a little plain looking. The sequential turn signals are a nice touch too

all in the eye of the beholder
Yep the seq. LEDs are cool.
I like everything about last year's redesign, and now these new engines are icing on the cake. Chevy still gets credit for the first truly awesome 6, and they forced Ford's hand. Ford woulda milked even more years outta the ancient Cologne V6 if they could've.

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Almost enough to make me forget the misery of owning a 1997 Cobra that had five repairs under warranty in my 23 months of ownership.
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2011 Mustang GT

Press release...

The new Mustang GT continues Ford’s powertrain offensive with an all-new 5.0-liter V-8, which uses advanced technology to deliver 412 horsepower and projected unsurpassed highway mileage of 25 mpg

For 2011, Mustang GT adds specially tuned Electric Power Assist Steering (EPAS), 11.5-inch front and 11.8-inch rear vented disc brakes, and an enhanced suspension featuring an improved rear lower control arm and stiffened rear stabilizer bushings

For enthusiasts, a Brembo brake package, with larger rotors and calipers from the Ford Shelby GT500® Mustang, unique 19-inch wheels and summer performance tires, is offered; new fender badges herald return of the 5.0-liter engine

DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 28, 2009 – The 5.0 is back! The 2011 Ford Mustang GT arrives with an all-new advanced 5.0-liter V-8 engine, developed by a passionate cadre of enthusiastic engineers who rallied around the common goal of delivering more than 400 horsepower.

The modern 5.0-liter four-valve Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT) V-8 engine in the new Mustang GT will deliver 412 horsepower and 390 ft.-lb. of torque. At the same time, fuel economy is projected to be better than the previous model and unsurpassed in the segment.

“This all-new 5.0-liter engine is the next chapter in the development of the world-class Mustang powertrain portfolio,” said Derrick Kuzak, group vice president, Global Product Development. “It’s a thoroughly modern engine for the times, delivering the performance and fun-to-drive factor that enthusiasts want, while improving fuel economy.”

Coyote in the lobby

Many of the engineers on the development team have worked in the Engine and Electrical Engineering Building on the Dearborn, Mich., product development center campus. For years they walked past the original 5.0-liter V-8 Coyote Indy racing engine on display in the lobby, continually inspired by its mix of heritage, high technology and horsepower.

The powertrain development community had long wanted to develop a new 5.0-liter powertrain, with strategic discussions beginning in 2000. By 2007, the Mustang competitive landscape was beginning to change, a sign that the time was right for advancing the Mustang GT powertrain to world-class levels.

The team began 5.0-liter engine development with the objective of delivering 400-plus horsepower, on a timetable accelerated by 12 months without compromises in reliability, durability, fuel economy, or noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) control.

“Nearly all of the team members have worked on other high-profile powertrain programs,” said V-8 Engine Programs Manager Mike Harrison. “They all had a clear vision of the work required on their particular component or subsystem. Their passion for engines, racing and delivering every last ounce of performance throughout the engine speed range really demonstrated that they put their heads and their hearts into this powertrain.”

Development test engines and benchmarks included 5.0-liter blocks, employing different bore and stroke measurements, GT500 four-valve-per-cylinder heads and cams, various intake manifold runner configurations, differing compression ratios and a deep-sump oil pan. The team also evaluated Ford Racing’s 5.0-liter “Cammer” V-8 crate engine for transferable best practices.

Extensive computer-aided engineering (CAE) modeling, development engine experimentation and evaluation in combination with intricate machine work brought this promising, all-new configuration to jaw-dropping life in an accelerated time frame.

The result of this development is an “and” solution, not an “or.” 2011 Mustang buyers will enjoy the benefits of a powerful engine as well as responsible fuel economy.

Ti-VCT

A critical element in the 5.0-liter V-8’s ability to deliver 412 horsepower, with improved drivability, tractability and fuel economy over the 2010 Mustang GT powertrain, is enhanced Ti-VCT.

For a high-performance application, the team specified cam-torque-actuated variable camshaft timing. Using existing cam torque energy, with assistance from pressurized oil, meant that minimal upgrades to the oil pump were required, resulting in less parasitic drag. Increased volumetric and thermal efficiency gives faster Ti-VCT response at all engine speeds.

During the development phase, camshaft lift profile and port optimization started with higher-lift Ford Racing aftermarket units, modified for compatibility with various four-valve-per-cylinder heads. Extensive CAE and dynamometer testing was performed to fine-tune camshaft events and port flow for performance and fuel efficiency in conjunction with the variable camshaft timing.

The resulting all-new aluminum four-valve-per-cylinder heads feature a compact roller finger follower valvetrain layout leaving more room for high-flow ports for free-breathing performance. Head structure was designed to support higher cylinder head pressures and cross-flow cooling for sustained high-rpm use. Head bolt size was increased from 11 to 12 millimeters to contain the higher combustion pressures.

The aluminum block was developed for optimized windage and oil drainback under lateral conditions and high rpm, such as a track-day outing for an enthusiastic owner and driver. Increased main bearing bulkhead widths and nodular iron cross-bolted main bearing caps with upsized bolts were also employed to accommodate the significant performance increase.

An additional element is the increased capacity and baffling of the deep-sump stamped steel oil pan to enable sustained high-rpm use and offer the convenience of 10,000-mile oil change intervals. Piston-cooling jets also were incorporated for performance-minded customers and for faster oil warm-up on cold start.

Specially designed tubular exhaust headers were developed to maximize exhaust pulse separation and improve flow. A team analyst actually fabricated the tubular headers in his home workshop, bringing the CAE design to life.

Performance and fuel economy

The 412 horsepower and 390 ft.-lb. of torque delivered by the 2011 Mustang GT 5.0-liter V-8 represent significant increases versus the 2010 model year output levels.

The six-speed automatic transmission on the 2011 Mustang GT will deliver up to an estimated 25 mpg highway and 17 in the city. This is up from 23 mpg highway and 17 city for the 2010 model. Six-speed manual transmission Mustang GT models for 2011 are projected to deliver 24 mpg highway and 16 city, matching the 2010 model but delivering significantly more horsepower and performance feel.

2011 Mustang GT fuel economy is enabled by the Ti-VCT, the six-speed transmissions in automatic or manual variations, EPAS and an additional rear decklid seal to enhance aerodynamics.

Fuel economy also is aided by engineering a lightweight powertrain. The engine, as shipped, weighs just 430 pounds. This represents a weight savings of more than 20 percent versus the previous 5.0-liter offering. Lower mass can be attributed to the aluminum block and heads, the lightweight composite intake manifold, composite cam covers and hollow camshafts.

Improved driving dynamics

EPAS has made a dramatic contribution to Mustang GT driving dynamics, delivering quicker on-center steering response, increased effort at highway speeds and reduced effort required in low-speed parking maneuvers. EPAS allows specific tuning for the Mustang GT application.

The 2011 Mustang GT features an enhanced rear lower control arm to add stiffness, improve powertrain NVH control and sharpen handling. A stiffened rear stabilizer bar for better on-center steering is also included. Stabilizer bar diameters, spring rates and dampers all have been tuned for improved dynamics.

A Brembo brake package upgrade will be available for serious enthusiasts. This package includes 14-inch vented front discs from the GT500 Mustang, unique 19-inch alloy wheels and summer performance tires.

Added convenience content

For 2011, Mustang GT offers drivers several new convenience technologies, including:

Standard message center
Integrated blind spot mirrors
MyKey™ programmable vehicle key
Illuminated visors
Universal garage door opener
Sun visor storage
New look

From the 5.0 fender badges to the new engine cover, Mustang GT honors and continues the proud heritage of its predecessors. The speedometer increases to 160 mph and the tachometer redline advances from 6,500 to 7,000 rpm.

Three vibrant new colors will be added for 2011 including Yellow Blaze Tri-Coat, Race Red and Ingot Silver.

Improved NVH control and convertible rigidity

For 2011, Mustang GT benefits from across-the-board NVH improvements. These include additional sound-deadening material on either side of the instrument panel, an additional seal between door and rocker panel to reduce wind noise and a real wheel arch liner to reduce noise on gravel or wet surfaces.

Mustang GT convertible models feature enhanced structural rigidity, with lateral stiffness improved by 12 percent versus the 2010 model. A tower-to-tower front strut brace is now standard, and the V-brace has been stiffened by adding gussets. The secondary crossmember also has been stiffened while a front Z-brace has been added, connecting primary and secondary crossmembers. A-pillar stiffening foam also has been added to increase rigidity.

“This powertrain honors Mustang’s heritage by raising the bar on performance while increasing fuel economy,” said Barb Samardzich, vice president, Powertrain Development. “For enthusiasts, such as the passionate members of the 5.0-liter V-8 team, it’s like having your cake and eating it, too.”
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In case anyone has 1/2 hour they wanna kill. I read it all, its a really in depth article.

http://www.mediafire.com/?munn5hndqwb
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I'll take the Mustang engine and interior in the Camaro SS body please....
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It's a shame this car doesn't photograph well. The pictures don't do this car any justice what so ever.
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I'll take the Mustang engine and interior in the Camaro SS body please....


Well, to me, the interior is better, that's for sure. Not sure how well this 5.0 Coyote will respond to mods, but the LS3 makes a nice amount of gains from just bolt-ons and a tune. The 5.0 will probably sound better though.
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2011 Mustang V6 - first 300+ hp vehicle to get 30mpg or more

DEARBORN, Mich., March 4, 2010 – The 2011 Ford Mustang today breaks new ground, cracking the record books as not only the most fuel-efficient Mustang ever, but also the first production car in history to produce more than 300 horsepower and more than 30 mpg highway.

The Mustang's official EPA ratings – completed this week – certify that models equipped with the 305-hp 3.7-liter V-6 and available six-speed automatic transmission achieve 31 mpg on the highway and 19 mpg in the city. The standard six-speed manual transmission is rated at 30 mpg on the highway and 19 mpg in the city.

Mustang is powered by a lightweight, all-aluminum 3.7-liter dual-overhead-cam (DOHC) V-6 engine that uses advanced engineering to deliver its combination of power and economy. Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Ti-VCT) adjusts the valvetrain in microseconds depending on driver inputs, further contributing to the engine's overall efficiency.

The fact that Mustang achieves its top fuel economy rating with the convenience of an automatic transmission also marks a shift in conventional wisdom. Ford engineered a modern six-speed automatic transmission with carefully calibrated gear ratios and shift programs to maximize economy, while still delivering high-horsepower driving fun.

"Advanced powertrains like our Ti-VCT V-6 and six-speed automatic really speak to the future of Mustang," says Barb Samardzich, Ford vice president of Global Powertrain Engineering. "We've proven that, using technology, Ford can deliver both power and fuel economy."

In addition to engine improvements, upgrades to Mustang's body, powertrain and chassis design contribute to the higher fuel economy numbers for 2011. Examples include:

* New Electric Power Assist Steering (EPAS) system eliminates the drag of an engine-operated hydraulic power steering pump
* Six-speed manual and automatic transmissions allow lower cruising revs without sacrificing off-the-line performance
* Aerodynamic changes include improvements like a new front fascia, tire spats on the rear wheels, modified underbody shields, a taller air dam and an added rear decklid seal


The new 2011 Mustang already has more than 11,000 orders. Half of all the nationwide orders are for the car's fuel-efficient 3.7-liter V-6 engine. The 2011 Mustangs are also being equipped with record levels of technology, giving customers the option of choosing navigation, high-intensity discharge (HID) headlamps and rearview cameras.

The new 2011 Mustang goes on sale this spring and will be built at the AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat Rock, Mich.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/04/2...ficient-300-h/
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I'm still more of a fan of the GT looks-wise but I think I like that blacked out part between the taillights.



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saw one of the new 5.0s are few weeks back along with a new sonata crusing down the highway.
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2011 Mustang V6 - first 300+ hp vehicle to get 30mpg or more = GREATNESS!

Ford is leading the industry now on quite a few levels.

What a turn-around!!!
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Maybe Honda should buy a couple and figure out how they were able to get power AND fuel efficiency

And depending on what shakes out with the 2015 Mustang, I may very well have a 2011 GT convertible in my garage in a few years...looking forward to it, either way.

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2011 Mustang GT 5.0 dyno numbers are in!

395 RWHP @ 6600 RPM
365 RWTQ @ 4350 RPM

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/25/v...ustang-gt-5-0/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3BzvEximI

for comparison, Livernois Motorsports (who features many dynos of stock and shop-built/tuned vehicles) dynoed a stock 2010 Camaro SS and it put out 364 RWHP and 371 RWTQ

God damn I want a 5.0.
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^^ Hell with 307hp I'd actually consider a V6 Mustang and I have NEVER said that about a Mustang six cylinder.


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