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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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wow they all suck

Not cars I would buy personally, but there's a reason that they are on the list.
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 09:35 AM
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Best Brand Overall is Honda too.
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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Yesterday Consumer Reports released its annual ‘Top Picks’ list of the best cars of 2008 and now we have a list of the worst contenders. Judges compared over 260 vehicles in this year’s evaluation and once again American SUVs dominated the field although there were a number of Toyota models, usually the strong players, at the bottom of the field as well.

The worst cars are as follows:

• Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
The Wrangler Unlimited was characterised by its poor ride and handling as well as its subpar fuel-economy, fit and finish.

• Hummer H3 five-cylinder
Poor performance and fuel-economy as well as a low rating for handling and reliability ensured the Hummer H3 was at the bottom.

• Jeep Liberty Sport
Rated poorly for fuel-economy, NVH levels and fit and finish.

• Chevrolet Aveo5
The Aveo5 only suffered from poor acceleration and handling but compared to its rivals the South Korean hatch was the worst performer.

• Dodge Nitro SLT
One of the worst cars in the field, the Dodge Nitro SLT was rated as having poor ride, handling, braking, NVH levels and fuel-economy.

• Toyota FJ Cruiser
A work horse SUV that requires premium fuel and suffers from poor fit and finish and subpar ride and handling.

• Toyota Yaris
The Yaris is one of the most popular subcompacts in the world but its poor acceleration and vague steering meant it was one of the worst cars in this year’s compare.

• Suzuki Forenza
The Suzuki Forenza was rated poorly because of its inadequate acceleration, fuel economy, ride, and low results in the IIHS sidecrash result.

• Jeep Patriot Limited
Another Jeep model made the list of worst performance, once again for poor acceleration, engine noise, driving position, visibility, front-seat comfort and fit and finish.

• Chevrolet TrailBlazer LT
Poor handling, braking and fuel-economy ensure the Chevrolet TrailBlazer is at the bottom of the list.

• Mercury Grand Marquis
The ageing Grand Marquis rounds out the list of the 11 worst cars of 2008, and was picked because of its rough sounding engine, poor ride and fuel-economy and low IIHS side-crash result.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/t...-cars-of-2008/
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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wow no Acuras on that list for top cars of 2008, no surprise there.
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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There are no German cars because CR cannot recommend unreliable cars on their list.
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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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^ At least the Germans arent on the Worst List either.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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^ At least the Germans arent on the Worst List either.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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Consumer reports is a joke when it comes to automotive information. I'll stick with automotive specific publications.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:23 PM
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They do know a lot about reliability though at CR.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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They do know a lot about reliability though at CR.
I agree when they review cars its nothing special but there reliability ratings are normally dead on.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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They do know a lot about reliability though at CR.


If anything that is the information that I look for when I go to Consumer Reports.

They are the closest you can get to unbiased information about reliability about any product on the market.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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Consumer reports is a joke when it comes to automotive information. I'll stick with automotive specific publications.

CR is what most of the general public follows. Car people like us may dis-agree with most of the picks, but CR doesn't cater to us.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Both lists are a mess.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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If anything that is the information that I look for when I go to Consumer Reports.

They are the closest you can get to unbiased information about reliability about any product on the market.
Wrong. If they were truly unbiased, Aston Martin would be on their #1 as greatest car EVAR. But, I do not see it.



Terrible list.














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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Honda Makes the best cars

Full Story from Consumer Reports here:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c..._best_cars.htm

Overall, the best cars sold in the U.S. are made by Honda. That's the conclusion of a recent analysis conducted by Consumer Reports that looks at the reliability, performance, fuel economy, comfort, interior fit and finish, and ergonomics of 262 vehicles we've recently tested.

Honda, with an overall score of 78, is followed closely by Toyota (75) and Subaru (72). BMW, Mazda, Nissan, and Volkswagen are tied at 71, after rounding."
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
They do know a lot about reliability though at CR.
JD Power is still the industry standard.
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Consumer Reports: 2008 Reliability Survey

Reliability findings
Gas-saving models lead in reliability

Scion xD
HIGH The Scion xD has the best predicted-reliability score for new cars. Its owners reported 80 percent fewer problems than the average new car in our survey.
Fuel-efficient vehicles are a very reliable segment of the automotive market overall. And European cars, which have trailed the domestic models for about five years, are showing signs of improvement.

Those are the top findings of our 2008 Car Reliability Survey, based on our subscribers' experiences with 1.4 million vehicles. Respondents reported on any serious problems they had with their vehicles in 17 trouble spots during the previous 12 months, which allows us to provide predicted-reliability Ratings for new cars. We include only models for which we have 100 or more responses.

According to the survey, nine hybrid models for which we have sufficient data earned above-average predicted-reliability Ratings. Most of those hybrids are from Japanese automakers. We also found that conventional gas-sippers such as the Honda Fit, Scion xD, Smart ForTwo, and Toyota Yaris had few problems.

Chrysler Sebring
LOW The Chrysler Sebring Convertible has the worst predicted-reliability score among new cars in our survey. It is 283 percent worse than the average model.
Some European automakers, particularly Mercedes-Benz, had sunk to the bottom of our predicted-reliability Ratings in recent years. But the new results show signs of a comeback.

Six Mercedes-Benz models, including the redesigned C-Class sedan, the sporty SL, and the ML350 SUV, have improved to average reliability. As a result, they are now recommended (see What's Up and What's Down).


Ford leads the domestics

Ford's three brands-Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury-continue to pull away from the rest of the Detroit automakers. Almost all Ford models are now average or better, with the exception of some that are truck-based. Excluding those, Ford's reliability is now on par with good Japanese automakers.

General Motors is a mixed bag. Among the bright spots is the redesigned Chevrolet Malibu; in its first year, the four-cylinder version is better than average and the V6 is average. The Buick Lucerne with a V8 and the Pontiac G6 with a four-cylinder are above average, and the Chevrolet Avalanche has improved to average.

But a quarter of GM models are still well below average in reliability. Some that didn't fare well are fairly new designs that did well in our testing, such as the Cadillac CTS and the Buick Enclave, GMC Acadia, and Saturn Outlook SUV triplets. Chrysler trails the pack. Almost two-thirds of its products rate below average for reliability. The redesigned 2008 Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan minivans earned low scores, as did the Chrysler Sebring V6 and Dodge Avenger sedans and the Jeep Liberty SUV. The Sebring Convertible has the worst score: 283 percent worse than average. The only above-average models are the Dodge Caliber hatchback and Jeep Patriot SUV.


Toyota bounces back

Last year we called out three Toyota models that had slipped to below average: the Camry V6, Tundra V8 4WD, and the Lexus GS AWD. Toyota seems to have rectified some of the problems-all 42 of the Toyota, Lexus, and Scion models in our survey scored average or better. While the three models noted above scored merely average, most models got above-average Ratings. Almost all models from Honda and its Acura luxury division received above-average scores. In addition, Subarus for which we have sufficient data scored average or better in reliability.

Nissan showed striking improvements, with the perennially troublesome Armada SUV, Titan pickup, and Infiniti QX56 SUV finally gaining average reliability. The new Nissan Rogue and Infiniti EX SUVs have started out above average, which is a good sign, and the Altima Hybrid sedan is well above average.

The two closely related South Korean nameplates, Hyundai and Kia, rank right up there with the better Japanese makers. Most of their models scored average or better, with only the Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona minivans receiving below-average scores.


Europe rebounds

While Mercedes-Benz has improved in reliability, none of its models scored above average and a third are still below average. Audi continues to improve, with two-thirds of its lineup scoring average or better. Its sister brand, Volkswagen, has several models rating average or better in our survey, but the Passat sedan, Touareg SUV, and Eos convertible have not done well. BMW has also shown progress in recent years, with most versions of the 3 Series and some 5 Series models being average or better. The 6 Series improved to above average.

Volvo has continued the upward march as well. Of the nine Volvos for which we have sufficient data, only the redesigned XC70 wagon rated below average in reliability. Land Rover continued to fare poorly, with all four of its SUVs, including the new LR2, scoring well below average.


A consumer-driven Rating

Our reliability data are based on a subscriber survey and are not derived from Consumer Reports' vehicle testing. From the survey, we derive a reliability history for 10 model years as well as our forecast of how 2009 models will probably hold up. This predicted-reliability Rating is based on a model's overall reliability for the newest three model years, provided the 2009 version hasn't significantly changed. If a model was new or redesigned in that time frame, we might use just one or two years of data. In rare instances, we make a prediction for a redesigned model if the manufacturer's and model's histories are outstanding.
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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What kind of problems are they reporting?????
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Old Oct 24, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Consumer Reports 2009: Honda Makes the Best Cars

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Consumer Reports' Automaker Report Cards: Honda Leads Again, Mercedes-Benz Improves, Chrysler Lags


YONKERS, N.Y., Feb. 26, 2009; For the third consecutive year, Honda has earned class leader status for building the best all-around vehicles for American drivers, according to the Automaker Report Cards published in Consumer Reports' Annual Auto Issue. At the opposite end of the annual ranking is Chrysler, which fared even worse than last year. The company's poor performing products and sinking reliability results have kept all Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep badged vehicles off CR's Recommended list.

With an overall score of 78 out of 100 points, Honda was followed closely by Subaru (75), and Toyota (74) in the overall score. Subaru is also the only automaker with 100% of its tested vehicles Recommended, although it has a relatively small model lineup. Mazda (73), came in 4th, followed by Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Volkswagen, and BMW, all tied at 72.

While the top four overall scores belong to Japanese automakers, a Japanese nameplate is no guarantee that every car in a model range will be a reliable and good performer. For example, the Honda Element and Toyota Yaris scored too low in Consumer Reports' tests to be recommended. Conversely, despite overall scores of 63 and 57 respectively, that placed Ford and GM toward the bottom of the results, new models like the Ford Flex, F-150, Chevrolet Malibu, and Cadillac CTS have done well in CR's tests and rank near the top of their classes in its ratings.

Full details and rankings are available in the article "Who makes the best cars?" in the magazine on sale March 3 to May 4 and at www.ConsumerReports.org.

The overall score for each automaker is based on the average of its vehicles' overall scores in Consumer Reports' road tests and their average predicted-reliability ratings from Consumer Reports' Annual Auto Survey. Manufacturers received a report card only if five or more of its vehicles were tested.

Of the three class leaders, Toyota regained lost ground after last year's disappointment of having three of its vehicles fall below average in reliability. All three -- the Toyota Camry V6, the Toyota Tundra V8 4WD variant, and the all-wheel-drive Lexus GS -- improved to average reliability this year. Of the Asian automakers, Subaru, Nissan, Mazda, and Hyundai improved their overall scores. Nissan and Hyundai also improved their reliability rating. Of the four, Hyundai showed the most improvement, increasing its overall score from 66 to 70. The Hyundai Genesis also topped Consumer Reports' upscale-sedan ratings, contributing to the automakers continued progress.

European automakers, traditionally great performers overall, have lagged in reliability but there have been notable improvements with several models from Audi, BMW, Saab, Volkswagen, Volvo, and Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz showed the most significant improvement, moving up in the overall ranking (72) to tie with BMW and Volkswagen. Reliability was greatly improved across most of the Mercedes-Benz model line, with 67% of tested vehicles now recommended compared to none in the prior year.

All three Detroit automakers continued to be at the back of the class, although General Motors and Ford improved their overall scores. Chrysler disappointed the most -- it had the lowest overall test score and none of its vehicles are Recommended.

There was some positive news for the struggling domestic automakers. The latest models from General Motors now rank among the best in testing, and models like the Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia, Saturn Outlook, Cadillac CTS, Chevrolet Corvette, and Chevrolet Malibu all scored well. Some Ford models now rival their competition from Honda and Toyota in reliability, perhaps a promising sign for new models now coming out of the product pipeline. For Chrysler, the sole glimmer of hope in the model-year is the new Dodge Ram, which is now very competitive with the other full size trucks.

Less than a quarter of Consumer Reports' recommended vehicles are from U.S. companies, a result of inconsistent reliability and performance. About half are Japanese.

"While Japanese automakers continue to set the standard for the industry in terms of real-world performance and reliability, many domestic, European, and Korean manufacturers are narrowing the gap by building better and more reliable cars," said David Champion, senior director of automotive testing, Consumer Reports. "While some automakers are still dragged down by old product investments, we expect the race for the front of the class to become even more competitive which may lead to some excellent values for consumers in the near future."

In the end, the companies that make the best vehicles are those that excel in performance, interior craftsmanship, safety, comfort, and reliability. The best continue to set a higher and higher standard, a competition in which consumers are the ultimate winners.

With more than 7 million print and online subscribers, Consumer Reports is one of the most trusted sources for information and advice on consumer products and services. It conducts the most comprehensive auto-test program of any U.S. publication or Web site; the magazine's auto experts have decades of experience in driving, testing, and reporting on cars. To become a subscriber, consumers can call 1-800-234-1645. Information and articles from the magazine can be accessed online at www.ConsumerReports.org.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Congrats to Honda on making the best cars.

Unfortunately, they have the ownership experience of a blender or similar appliance.

I think it's great they're excellent at building a car. Now leave the dull stuff to Toyota.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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What do those scores really mean?

MB with score of 72, I mean are they really that reliable, compared to Honda's score of 78? Sounds like grade inflation to me.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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This is why I don't bother with CR's ratings. If I really want to know about reliability/issues, I check out True Delta.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, and BMW tied for fourth?!?!?

Wow...that's quite an improvement to say the least!
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At the opposite end of the annual ranking is Chrysler, which fared even worse than last year. The company's poor performing products and sinking reliability results have kept all Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep badged vehicles off CR's Recommended list.
I'm SHOCKED!!!

Nissan and Hyundai also improved their reliability rating.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Congrats to Honda on making the best cars.

Unfortunately, they have the ownership experience of a blender or similar appliance.

I think it's great they're excellent at building a car. Now leave the dull stuff to Toyota.
Ummm, my Kitchenaid blender is kinda cool actually. I've got more $$$ in nice frying pans than a lot of guys on Acurazine have on rims.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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It is not a score of just reliability. It is a score with all things considered. With all things considered, consumers have voted Honda as the best overall.
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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Hah, The actual CR headquarters is down the street from my warehouse. I always drove by there thinking if thats the actual one we read about. Wonder if I can bribe them, lol.
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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It is not a score of just reliability. It is a score with all things considered. With all things considered, consumers have voted Honda as the best overall.
Honda products represent great value which is MUCH more notable given our current economic climate.
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Old Mar 2, 2009 | 02:19 AM
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lol at the honda is a blender comment.......

you can do a lot of stuff with a blender and they typically has for a very long time.......

so what if BMW and Mercedes Benz are great handling cars, they only last a few thousand miles before you get screwed by the repair costs....
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Old May 1, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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Consumer Reports Order Of Finish: G37, TSX, A4, VW CC

Wow, I'm shocked. I think we all knew the G was going to be a first place lock...CR LOVES the G cars. But I'm shocked that the 'lowly' TSX placed ahead of the A4 and CC.

Comments were:

G37 - Highs:accelleration, handling, transmission, braking, front seat comfort, fit and finish, relaibility.
Lows: snug interior, small trunk.

TSX - Highs: powertrain, fuel economy, fit and finish, front seat comfort, crash test results.
lows: ride, steering feel, rear seat.

A4 - Highs: handling, braking, acceleration, transmission, fit and finish, crash test results.
Lows: rear seat, controls, push-key ignition.

CC - Highs: ride, fit and finish, fuel economy, transmission.
Lows: only four seating positions, access, visibility, some controls.

Putting a 328 hp V-6 up against three 4-bangers is a rather bizarre concept. Sometimes CR does some things that make you scratch your head.

I can't help but wonder how the TL would have fared in this comparo.
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The TSX with the V6 will be very compelling. If they decide to ad SH-AWD to the Type-S varient of a TSX, if that ever happens, it will be a blockbuster. The 4G TL is a good car but its look is just too controversial. The TSX is more palatable.
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Old May 1, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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TSX - Highs: powertrain, fuel economy, fit and finish, front seat comfort, crash test results.
lows: ride, steering feel, rear seat.

I thought it was the other way around... unless the 2nd gen TSX is THAT different than the first..
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Old May 1, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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TSX engine is an overachiever...steering is the other way around...so, i agree with CR on this.
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Old May 1, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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But I'm shocked that the 'lowly' TSX placed ahead of the A4 and CC.
I'm not, but then again, I've never really been impressed by Audi or VW (save the S and RS cars).

However, none of these cars is in the same league as the G; they don't compare at all. Including the G was completely illogical.
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Old May 2, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Strange comparison, yes. It'll be interesting to see how the V6 TSX competes. I'm hoping Acura fixes the steering feel that is often complained about. I haven't driven a 2G myself so I don't know how it compares to the 1G. I would hope that the steering feel isn't that different, because I really like my 04.
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Old May 4, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Checking consumer reports for sports sedans is like asking your mother which girl is best as a girlfriend.

CR is useful for reliability and every appliance in the house.
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