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Old 10-27-2005, 05:49 PM
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What do the asterisks mean?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
at Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005) in the Sporty cars category.
lmao

monte carlo>owns that whole list

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I also wonder why they singled out the 4-cyl Accord, do the V6's pose a problem?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
at Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005) in the Sporty cars category.
That's what I was thinking
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I can't believe there's no German cars on the list. well...
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So the Accord makes the list twice as a 4-banger and a hybrid. Yeah Accord!
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What do the asterisks mean?
probably limited reliability information (1 year or less)?
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Originally Posted by phile
I also wonder why they singled out the 4-cyl Accord, do the V6's pose a problem?
:cough: I have a hunch that there may be a problem with the automatic transmission V-6's :cough:

PS: do they still make the Toyota Echo?
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
probably limited reliability information (1 year or less)?
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
probably limited reliability information (1 year or less)?
Oh I see...
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
:cough: I have a hunch that there may be a problem with the automatic transmission V-6's :cough:

PS: do they still make the Toyota Echo?
So that means the 06 6MT V6 Accord should make the list next year.

Last year for the Echo.
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
:cough: I have a hunch that there may be a problem with the automatic transmission V-6's :cough:

PS: do they still make the Toyota Echo?
In 2005 the Echo was available on a special order basis only. Only a few thousand were sold. Some people just gotta have a Toyota.

For my critique of CR, go here: www.truedelta.com/pieces/shortcomings.php. I'm going to be conducting my own reliability research because I don't think CR provides sufficient information in a timely fashion. I've been building a panel of vehicles at www.truedelta.com. So far among Honda products I'll be including the 2005 TL and the 2005 Odyssey in the first round of research, with others added as I get enough signed up.

I feel that people, influenced by how CR presents its results, dwell too much on which car has the highest reliability, often by tenths of an issue per car, rather than noting which are close enough and then trading reliability off against other factors.
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Nissan, already a pretty piss poor quality company, somehow finds a way to do worse with the Infintii QX56, Nissan Armada and Nissan Titan, 3 of the biggest POS I have ever seen assembled.

Look at all those luxury marques on the list. A DAMN SHAME.
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Originally Posted by AcuraGT-3
Nissan, already a pretty piss poor quality company, somehow finds a way to do worse with the Infintii QX56, Nissan Armada and Nissan Titan, 3 of the biggest POS I have ever seen assembled.

Look at all those luxury marques on the list. A DAMN SHAME.
Yeah I noticed that all of the vehicles that have a bad rating, came from that new plant they built in Mississippi.
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Yeah I noticed that all of the vehicles that have a bad rating, came from that new plant they built in Mississippi.
When I first reviewed the new Quest two years ago I warned that its build quality seemed poor. My hypothesis then was that Nissan might have rushed a few too many new products to market very quickly on a limited budget. Did no one else wonder how a nearly bankrupt company got so much out the door in just a couple of model years?

Mississippi combined a lot of challenges: totally new products, engines, plant, and workers. Doing that much stuff new all at once is just asking for trouble. It's always smarter to do only one totally new thing at a time. For example, ideally a new plant should start with an existing design.
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Originally Posted by srika

????? huh???

dumbass.
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
????? huh???

dumbass.

I think he means he agrees with you
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Japanese automakers dominate Consumer Reports

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Japanese automakers Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and Nissan won all ten spots in Consumer Reports' list of Top Picks for 2006. The top pics are: Honda Civic (sub-$20k sedan), Honda Accord ($20k-$30k), Acura TL ($30k-$40k), Infiniti M45 (Lux sedan), Subaru Impreza WRX (Fun sedan), Subaru Forester (sub-$30k SUV), Toyota Highlander Hybrid ($30k+ SUV), Honda Odyssey (van), Toyota Prius (green sedan), and Honda Ridgeline (pickup). Half of the vehicles Honda's five winners are built in North America (four in the U.S., one in Canada).
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Consumer Reports Owner Satisfaction Survey: Luxury Cars

Consumer Reports annual owner satisfaction survey (April 2006) asks OWNERS to rate their satisfaction with their own cars. The question they ask for this survey, as always, is: "Would you buy this car again?"

The Survey lists the following cars (Shown next to the percentage of owners who would buy it again.)

* 92% - Infiniti M35/M45
* 89% - Lexus GS300/GS430
* 89% - Lexus LS430
* 80% - Audi A6 sedan (V6)
* 78% - Acura RL
* 75% - Jaguar XJ Series
* 75% - Audi A8
* 72% - BMW 5 Series (V8)
* 70% - Lincoln Town Car
* 69% - BMW 5 Series (6-cyl.)
* 67% - Cadillac STS
* 64% - BMW 7 Series
* 63% - Jaguar S-Type
* 62% - Mercedes-Benz E-Class




source: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239985



Good to see Infiniti at #1, and also the RL ranking 5th.

@ E-class and 5 series. Sales leader in their class and only 60-69% of their owners would buy their cars again.
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The fact that two audi's rank higher than the bmw's when people complain more about the audi's is ironic to me.

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...just got "lightly" pulled on by an M35X last night. I have driven a number of the cars on that list and with the M's place on that list. It may lack the brand "prestige" of the rest on that list but, it is the best all around sedan for <$60k.
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I haven't driven the Inifiniti M-series, but I have walked around and sat in one. Yes, funny, a powerful engine can make a lot of people happy and that engine and handling can make them happier, without the engine ON its another story.

First impression, plastic grill. Looks all shiny and chromed up, plastic painted.

Interior, can't say I was all that enthused with the quality at all when getting into the car. To love a car, a person getting into that car should be like, wow nice for the price. I could have been in a 28k accord, dash wise with leather seats and had the same reaction, but that goes for more than Infiniti at that price range.

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I haven't driven the Inifiniti M-series, but I have walked around and sat in one. Yes, funny, a powerful engine can make a lot of people happy and that engine and handling can make them happier, without the engine ON its another story.

First impression, plastic grill. Looks all shiny and chromed up, plastic painted.

Interior, can't say I was all that enthused with the quality at all when getting into the car. To love a car, a person getting into that car should be like, wow nice for the price. I could have been in a 28k accord, dash wise with leather seats and had the same reaction, but that goes for more than Infiniti at that price range.

The LS430 has had the highest ranking in consumer reports in luxury, comfort, etc for years. When the M35 came out, it replaced the LS430 as Best Luxury Sedan. The quality of the interior doesnt lack at all
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The fact that two audi's rank higher than the bmw's when people complain more about the audi's is ironic to me.

audi
i dont think people who actually own audis complain about them as much as people who hear of people complaing, assume shit, then spread the word to everyone...
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The LS430 has had the highest ranking in consumer reports in luxury, comfort, etc for years. When the M35 came out, it replaced the LS430 as Best Luxury Sedan. The quality of the interior doesnt lack at all
You are a dreamer. Honestly, seeing you say such a thing means you never been within 15ft of the car.

Inifinti Quality surpassing Lexus Quality, HA, full of it.
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Wow, only 1 Acura on there? Horrible.
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Wow, only 1 Acura on there? Horrible.
Dissapointing, but not a big surprise.
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
You are a dreamer. Honestly, seeing you say such a thing means you never been within 15ft of the car.

Inifinti Quality surpassing Lexus Quality, HA, full of it.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/carre...reut/index.html

Infiniti M35 rated 'Best luxury sedan'
Consumer Reports magazine calls the sporty car from Nissan a "surprise."

August 9, 2005; Posted: 12:26 p.m. EDT (1626 GMT)
DETROIT (Reuters) - The sporty Infiniti M35 powered past its competitors to become what Consumer Reports, a leading source of information for U.S. car buyers, says is the best luxury sedan on the road today.

The "excellent" overall rating for the car from the luxury division of Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. is reported in the September issue of the magazine, which goes on sale Tuesday.

The Infiniti M35 was tested against four other models and each, as equipped, was priced at roughly $50,000. The other models were the redesigned Audi A6, the Cadillac STS, Acura RL and Lexus GS300.

"The surprise of this test group is the M35, which is now our top-rated (luxury) sedan. It even outscores all of our tested full-size premium luxury sedans," Consumer Reports says.

"This well-rounded car has a ride and handling suited for twisty roads as well as the boulevard," it adds, saying the car's many attributes include a powerful 280-horsepower V-6 engine, a roomy, well-finished interior and controls that are mostly user-friendly.

A 335-horsepower, V-8 power plant is an available option on the M35.

The A6 from Audi, a unit of Volkswagen AG, also got an "excellent" overall score from Consumer Reports. But it was faulted for "nonintuitive controls," its lack of an in-dash CD slot and unknown reliability. The previous A6 was not reliable, according to Consumer Reports.

Of the five vehicles tested, Consumer Reports said all but the Cadillac STS, from General Motors Corp., and the Audi A6 warranted inclusion on its closely watched "recommended" list.

Consumer Reports said the reliability of the STS, which replaces Cadillac's Seville sedan, was still unknown. It praised many aspects of the car, but said the material quality of its interior was "not as luxurious as the leaders in the class."

The Infiniti M35 replaces the Lexus LS430 -- which sells for about $70,000 -- as Consumer Reports' top-rated luxury sedan.

The magazine said the GS300, from Toyota Motor Corp.'s luxury division, was refined and expected to be quite reliable. But it added that the car's steering lacks feel, passenger room is tight, and it is not an agile vehicle.

"It's not the luxury sport sedan Lexus pitches; we didn't find it particularly exciting to drive," Consumer Reports said.

Of the Acura RL, the latest offering from the luxury arm of Honda Motor Co. Ltd., the magazine complained that it was not particularly sporty to drive. It also said the RL was no roomier than the Acura TL, which costs about $16,000 less.
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You are a dreamer. Honestly, seeing you say such a thing means you never been within 15ft of the car.

Inifinti Quality surpassing Lexus Quality, HA, full of it.
Oh and yes i have been within 15ft of the M45 considering my brother owns one
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Oh and yes i have been within 15ft of the M45 considering my brother owns one
I'm glad for your brother, in its own right its a very nice car. An M45 doesn't surpase an LS430 in quality.

The report states the Lexus GS300 was used as the bench not the LS430, i find it amazing how a class above car can be replaced by a class below car when they weren't competing.

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i dont think people who actually own audis complain about them as much as people who hear of people complaing, assume shit, then spread the word to everyone...

My co worker owns am Audi A6 and he hates how much he has had to repair the car........
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i find it amazing how a class above car can be replaced by a class below car when they weren't competing.
that's because you're dense as shit.
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Wow, only 1 Acura on there? Horrible.

Why would there be more when they only make one luxury car? Technically the TL is a "near-luxury" car in a different category.
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The report states the Lexus GS300 was used as the bench not the LS430, i find it amazing how a class above car can be replaced by a class below car when they weren't competing.

You said it yourself. A car that is a class below the LS430 managed to replace it. This means that the M45 has the ability to compete with the current LS430 which means it really is a great car.
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You said it yourself. A car that is a class below the LS430 managed to replace it. This means that the M45 has the ability to compete with the current LS430 which means it really is a great car.
don't bother bringing reason in to argue with this clown, it's no use...see my comment above.
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Why would there be more when they only make one luxury car? Technically the TL is a "near-luxury" car in a different category.
TL is a luxury car to me.
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^^I didn't mean anyone personally, I meant it as the car industry typifies it. The same clas holds the A4, 3 series, G, GS, C class as well.
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My co worker owns am Audi A6 and he hates how much he has had to repair the car........
Since we're doing anecdotes, I'm on my second Audi and neither has been back to the dealer for anything more than routine maintenance(free by the way).
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2007 Consumer Reports Reliability Ratings

U.S. Rises in Auto Reliability Ratings - - By Sarah Karush, Associated Press - - Source: yahoo.com

DETROIT (AP) -- Ford's new Fusion model earned high marks from both Consumer Reports testers and consumers who rated its reliability, the magazine said in its 2007 new car preview, showing that U.S. automakers may be making strides in initial quality.

Asian automakers once again dominated the closely watched reliability ratings, but U.S. automakers are steadily improving, David Champion, senior director of automotive testing for Consumer Reports, said Thursday.

"You're almost chasing a moving target," said Champion, who presented the findings from the magazine's annual reliability survey and testing in Detroit. "The quality of cars has improved dramatically."

The Fusion and the Mercury Milan were among the top-ranked family cars for predicted reliability, on par with the Honda Accord and the Toyota Camry. The magazine bases its reliability forecasts on information provided by consumers for the past three model years. In the case of the Fusion and the Milan, the rating is based on only one model year because the vehicles were new for 2006.

Overall, Japanese automakers had 39 of the 47 vehicles with the best predicted reliability. U.S. manufacturers had six, including the Fusion, the Milan and the Lincoln Zephyr -- all from Ford Motor Co.

General Motors Corp. did well in large sport utility vehicles, earning top ratings for their Chevrolet Tahoe and the GMC Yukon, again based on one year of surveys because the trucks were redesigned. GM's Pontiac Vibe wagon was another top-scorer.

Champion said the key for Ford and GM will be maintaining the success in the coming years.

"It's that last year that (a consumer) owns the car that's probably most important in terms of reliability," he said. "If it's been pretty reliable over the first three years and then the fourth, fifth and sixth year it's dropped apart, he's not going to buy another one."

Consumer Reports sends the auto reliability survey to print and online subscribers. Some 950,000 people responded this year, providing answers on about 1.3 million vehicles.

The survey results appear in the magazine's new car preview special edition, which is sold at newsstands. A more comprehensive analysis of the data will be published in the magazine's April issue.

Consumer Reports also listed the Fusion among the new or redesigned vehicles that most impressed its testers, saying its smooth ride and good handling made it feel "like a much more expensive European car."

Champion said the Hyundai Azera sedan was another pleasant surprise and praised it as "very comfortable, very quiet," with a good price, though he said fuel economy was not a strong point. Other hits among new or redesigned vehicles were the Kia Sedona and the Mazda5.

Among the biggest disappointments was the Dodge Caliber crossover, the magazine said, calling its acceleration sluggish, its fuel economy unimpressive and its interior cheap. The magazine said "many of the same low-quality components" in the Caliber are being used in other DaimlerChrysler AG products.

The magazine also criticized the Subaru B9 Tribeca, the Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Pontiac Solstice.

Speaking of the Solstice, a two-seat roadster, Champion cited a lot of little flaws.

"There is no place to put your cell phone," he said. "The cup holders are behind you, so every time you try and take a drink, you spill your drink."
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Consumer Reports Gives Detroit Cheer - - SOurce: The Car Connection

The head of the Consumers Union auto test unit, David Champion, ventured to Detroit this week to talk to a somewhat skeptical Automotive Press Association about CU's conclusions on reliability, fuel economy, and stability control, after extensively testing some 85 new 2007 models - significantly up from only 35 different models a few years ago.

Somewhat surprisingly, some of Ford Motor Company's new products got a good report card, specifically the Fusion/Milan/MKZ/Zephyr family. They were among the handful listed by Champion as "most impressive." Others were the Hyundai Azera, Kia Sedona, and Mazda5.

On the "least impressive" list were the Dodge Caliber, Pontiac Solstice, Subaru Tribeca, and Mitsubishi Eclipse.

Champion said CU believes its fuel economy tests are more representative of consumer driving experience than the current EPA cycles used for labeling purposes. He noted, moreover, that the Japanese brands are way ahead of American, European, and Korean brands in fuel economy. Only four American and two European and no Korean brands made the "best" list compiled by CU, compared with 35 Japanese. Conversely, the "worst" list for fuel economy included 29 American, six Japanese, six European, and four Korean.

Another part of his report, reflecting write-ups in Consumer Reports' "New Car Preview 2007" issue, dealt with CU testers' evaluations of stability control. Listed as "well-tuned" were systems found on '06 Explorer, '06 Corvette, '06 Porsche 911, and '05 Kia Amanti. Rated as "not quite there" were systems on the '07 Audi Q7, '06 Cadillac CTS, '06 Outback VCD, and '05 Lexus GS300.

Consumers Union sends annual product reliability surveys to some five million reader/members. The most recent mailing yielded some 950,000 responses including 1.3 million different vehicles comprising 264 different '97 to '06 models, a huge database but of course potentially biased by self-reporting. CU tries to eliminate duplicate reporting of vehicles, Champion told the automotive writers, and ask respondents NOT to include reports of recalled items. The testing organization also requires a minimum of 100 of any given model to be included in the reported results, he said.

On the basis of predicted reliability, this year Consumer Reports has newly recommended eleven American models, four Japanese, six European, and six Korean. The "not recommended" badge of shame is newly associated with eight Americans, two Japanese, eight European and no Korean models. CR's "most reliable" list includes six American, one European, one Korean, and a whopping 39 Japanese models. But the "least reliable" list comprises 20 Americans, five Japanese, nineteen European (!), and two Korean.

Champion named only a few names to auto journalists in his organization's predicted reliability findings. The Fusion family "matches Accord and Camry" but "I would like to see if how well Fusion is in its fifth year" when most people are ready to trade. He noted that the Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS were presently predicting better than Avalon, and that new GM SUV models also looked promising when it comes to trouble-free operation. Other models singled out for favorable ratings were Azera, Sorento, Sedona, Entourage, and MINI Cooper.

Finally, he noted that quality and safety of vehicles has "improved dramatically." The ratings are "moving targets" because the base average of "things gone wrong" or defects is always being improved.

Champion was a test engineer for Goodyear, Land Rover, and Nissan before joining Consumer Union in 1997. -Mike Davis
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