FlyingPig

Anyone got more information on the 335 convertible?

I know I sound like a broken record. I'm just checking, periotically

chungkopi

agreed. i expect it to be 450hp+

gavriil

Source: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13089

gavriil

307 Watts = 411.694 HP
420 Nm = 309.75 lb-ft

gavriil

Bottom line $65K out the door (out the door = including tax = what you will pay for the car)

Considering this is what a CLK 550 (edited) costs now, it may not be a bad deal.

charliemike

The 2007 Z06 will be $5k more ($70k base) ... Woof

gavriil

So from a torque standpoint, the 335i in reality makes more torque than this new M3 (after the latest dyno runs). Unless if the M3 is also way underrated which I doubt.

Crazy Bimmer

DAMN I WAS CLOSE!

Kinda cool how SMG is standard now.

Maximized

Honestly as a guy that knows he is going to mod a car before he buys it, the 335i is the clear choice. I am sure that the TT engine will pickup huge gains with a tune and free flowing exhaust. You can always buy the M3 body kit and use the M3's suspension upgrades.

savage

hmm... time to start saving... I think 65k will be enough for premium package, cold weather, navi, logic7, CF trim, heads up display...


although i am still not too confident on the power figures, i am expecting a bit more HP and torque. It is too close to a 335i at least torque wise, although the disparity is expected with the high reving engine style they will be going with...

the pricing seems to be in the right ballpark...

gavriil

For tuners, no doubt the 335 is the clear choice. However it wont be cheap to buy or mod, as the case is with all German luxury cars. Nothing new with this of course.

Yumcha

Sure. But, the CLK55...is it as nimble and as sporty as the M3? I always get the impression that the "fast" Merc cars are just fast. And nothing else?



More the old-man-wants-something-fast-but-won't-get-heart-attack-kind-of-car is the CLK55 if you ask me.

gavriil

The 335i will make more torque than the M3 watch. It was found to be making 300 pounds at the wheels when dynoed.

Remember, BMW has said that it could make a lot more torque out of the 335i's engine but did not have a manual tranny to take that punishment. Yet.

gavriil

Pardon me, I meant to write CLK 550 not 55 above.


Having cleared that:

Yes but does the (current) M3 ride as gracefully as the CLK 550? Here is what I found:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...4&page=9&pp=25

Beltfed

Invoice $49,117
Base Price USA Port of Entry* $53,975

Vehicle Options List
Metallic paint $475..........pass (Alpine white)
Nappa leather $1,450..........yes
Carbon fiber trim $300..........pass
Aluminum trim NC..................yes
Comfort Access $500...........pass
M Multifunction Seats with Active Width Adjustment $1,900........pass
Front Heated Seats $500 / ZCW...........yes
Head-Up Display $1,000..............pass
Navigation System w/I-Drive $2,100...........yes (daily driver)
Power Rear Sunshade $350....................pass
Rear Park Distance Control $350..............pass
19" M Double Spoke alloy wheel $1,750...........most likely
19x8.5F/19x9.5R with P235/40ZR19 Front, P265/35ZR19 Rear Performance tires.
Logic 7 sound system $1,200.................pass
SIRIUS Satellite Radio $595................pass
High Definition Radio $500..............pass
Premium Package (ZPP) $3,100.................no for now, depends what's in it.
Cold Weather Package (ZCW) $750..........pass
6-speed manual transmission NC.........YES
Rear Spoiler Deletion NC


So $59,275.......not that bad, assuming the pricing is somewhat accurate.

Maximized

Cheap to mod is relative. If you can afford a 40-50K, you probably have some cash lying around to spend on extras. Typically, Turbocharged cars are economical to mod.

haiduc

I think all you guys are mistaken on the ease of tuning the 335i. I can almost assure you that increasing boost is going to be a lot harder than just slapping on any boost controller. With the complexity of BMW's engine management, it might be a while before any one person gets the code figured out. As it stands right now, there are only a very few tuners that can program an E46 correctly. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist, I hope I'm wrong.

savage

i am also concerned on how much more boost the 335 internals can take, i have heard bad stories on the last get S4 with the 2.7TT V6... not that these engines have anything in common other than both being twin turbo german engines...

personally i think i would go with the M3 and not worry about touching a thing for more performance. I think at 400+hp i am happy, i would only mod the exhaust if the tone needs improving, other than that i doubt i would touch it...

also any word if the next M3 will have a power mode like the M5? say 330-350 Hp for normal driving and low 400's in power mode? at least save you a couple bucks on gas...

savage

i had not heard that yet... I am sure they have a tranny that could do it though. They are prob holding off until they need more torque to catch up with the competition. No need to bite on the heels of the next M3 any more than they are now...

Maximized

I personally think you are wrong. The E46 has a decent amount of companies providing ECU reflashes, albeit they don't do much. I almost guarantee that we will see companies that already work on turbocharged(EVO, STI, etc.) cars jumping into the BMW aftermarket to attract higher end clientele.

gavriil

LOL Should I delete your post as a double post?

gavriil

I dont doubt that at all.

gavriil

You wonna save gas in exchange for less power?, just dont go all the way up the rev band at high loads. I would not be surprised if the power button in the M5 only did that. That is just added a rev limiter at a much lower rpm point than possible with it off.

gavriil

Let me be clearer. BMW said that they could easily make more torque off of the TT engine but they dont have a tranny that FITS the 3er coupe and would withstand that extra torque.

Crazy Bimmer

They said the same for the FSI system on the 2.0t and how hard it would be to get software made for it.

But of course tuners had stuff on the market couple months after its release. Theres money to be made, it will be done.

Also wonder how that 7speed smg will be to deliver that torque.

gavriil

^ I am sure it will be done. The only qs are for how much and how soon.

Crazy Bimmer

Dunno but you will bet its still cheaper than buying an M3.

I havent really seen software go for a lot on any brand. Unless the tuners are like ACS or Hartage. Then it might be pricey but there will be alternatives too im sure.

Ill figure $600-$1k range just for software.

savage

On the M5 i believe it doesnt let the throttle bodies completely open up. Only to 90% i think. I didnt mean i want it to have less power , i just was wondering if they would carry over the same feature down from the M5. It is basically a driving mode more suited to daily driving, where the car is still just as quick as the previous model. You know this V8 will be thristy, so i can seem them adding this feature just to improve those numbers.

savage

yeah the only cars i have seen with prices beyond that for SW was a Renntech ECU for a SL65AMG, i think it was a few grand...

majesty

Transmission made of glass, how wonderful. The new M3 should be nice, but from a 4 liter V8, don't you think they could be making some more torque?

chiawei

Keep in mind that M3 has a manual gearbox (wheter its SMG or 6-speed manual). Hence you can always keep the engine in the correct rev range with proper gear selection.

bigman

I cant believe tuning cost that damn much. Why cant BMW make the computer easily tuneable like GM does with the vettes and such. My Trans Am made an extra 33 whp with just tuning when stock. After headers it made an additional 17 horses and 12 tq on top of what the headers made. They must do it for a reason, maybe they dont want the cars being expoited and have modders dropping wrecked cars off for warranty work. Could be why ford made the pulley so hard to change on the GT500.

Maximized

My Mustang picked up large gains with an Intake and Tune. BMW engines aren't typically too mod friendly because they are efficient for their given displacement. Your engine and mine doesn't make anywhere near 100hp/liter.

Crazy Bimmer

http://www.bmwusa.com

328 and 335 are now on their site. Can price it out now.

SiGGy

With the current M3 yes, unfortunetly it's predecessor is in the works and will soon be delivered.

And really $5-7K is a substantial percentage of the purchase price.
Figure $52k for a M3 and $45k for 335i, that $7k in savings is 15% of the $45k spent on a 335i.

However, when the new M3 hits the streets I think it'll be a significant ($10k+) difference in price. Making a difference of 20% or more of the purchase price of 335i.

SiGGy

Splash some water on your face man. Relax. And then wake-up.


1st off they are comparing power and acceleration numbers. Not all around performance.

2nd the current e46 M3 is dead, it's replacement is in the works and will soon be released to the public.

3rd don't fool yourself, the 335i will be tuners car in the near future. I can already see this car hitting 400hp with minor mods. Drop in some new spring/shocks/sway bars and call it a day. And don't forget to wave to the e46 M3 guys as you pass them on the track.

The current e46 M3 will always have a great following, it's a fantastic car! But it will be surpassed by the 335i in sheer performance numbers in the near future.

SiGGy

I'm famailair with BMW's SMG but what is DSG? (i'll google it)

Is it the same concept of a computer controlled manual?

edited

For anyone else in the clueless boat with me...

Direct Shift Geatbox

wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

how things work:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-c...ansmission.htm

Crazy Bimmer

dual clutch setup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Its much smoother than SMG was.

*edit*
beat me to it

SiGGy

thanks! wow, DSG is pretty cool.

Crazy Bimmer

Video, oh man this thing sounds nice


http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13097