BMW: 1-Series News
08-06-2008, 04:53 PM
#843
Pro
If your main concern is driving dynamics and balance, a 128i with sports packages and 6sp manual provides the best bang for the buck in the industry.
But I don't doubt that many would want to add on the usual luxury items or opt for the sweeter looking 328.
But I don't doubt that many would want to add on the usual luxury items or opt for the sweeter looking 328.
08-06-2008, 05:09 PM
#844
6G TLX-S
This entry level BMW 128i is way better than the lame 318ti which was the entry level BMW years ago. Both cars have the same rear styling which looks like having the rear trunk chopped off from the 3-series sedan version.
03-13-2009, 08:01 AM
#845
BMW rethinks 2011 1 series
carmagazine.co.uk
BMW rethinks 2011 1-series
By Georg Kacher
13 March 2009 09:00
When selling cars is your business, good timing is essential - along with an evenly staggered launch schedule. BMW is having problems in both departments: not enough fresh product in 2008 and 2009, but a glut thereafter. The new 5-series is due in 2010, the new 1-series follows in 2011, and the 3-series replacement is scheduled for 2012. This incidentally concludes the list of future BMWs styled under Chris Bangle.
Cost is another issue which currently troubles the Bavarian Motor Works. Unlike Audi, which has pegged the A3 on the Golf matrix, and the new A1 on the even cheaper Polo, BMW has again paired the next 1-series with the follow-up to the 3-series. Instead of pooling the third-generation Mini, the Project i family and the MkII 1-series, BMW has twinned its price-sensitive entry-level model with a rival of the A4 and the C-class.
Would it not have been wiser to devise a common components set for the 3 and 5-series?
Of course, but now it's too late for last-minute revisions. In the third quarter of 2011, the five-door 1-series will roll off the line, followed by a two-door version. And there might be more Ones to follow - BMW is currently evaluating no fewer than five two-door alternatives. They are:
• a replacement for the classic two-door hatchback - a variant with a virtually neutral profit margin
• a three-door shooting brake - originally conceived to counter-attack the stillborn SLK-based SLT and the Audi TT Sportback
• a three-door Sportwagon or Touring - which makes sense unless it cannibalizes the 3-series touring
• a three- or five-door GT1/PAS - long and tall, but with controversial proportions and an exotic door concept
• a three-door Sport Activity Coupé with a glass roof and big tailgate - think of it as a two-door X1
In view of the current budget constraints, it is very difficult to predict which variant is most likely to get the nod.
So what's this new model?
Instead of offering an additional bodystyle, BMW is actually contemplating to launch an aggressively priced low-spec 115i entry-level model - which brings back memories of the barren 315 and 1502.
Anything at the other end of the scale?
In addition to the hatchback(s), we are going to see three different 1-series notchbacks. The new coupé is due in early 2012, the Supersport (unveiled in our exclusive sketch, right) conceived by the M division has been predicted for late 2012, and the convertible is likely to appear just in time for the 2013 spring season. While BMW has confirmed that the Supersport gets round headlamps as an hommage to the legendary 2002 series, the other three-box models may feature radically different oblong LED headlamps.
The Supersport version will be positioned between the 135iS and the next M3. Since the M3 switches from the V8 to a straight six, the Supersport - which won´t be badged M1 - can only be powered by a high-revving twin-turbo four-cylinder. According to the Munich grapevine, the drivetrain wizards of the M division are preparing a direct-injection 2.0 or 2.2-litre unit which develops 300bhp and about 450Nm. A dual-clutch transmission can be taken for granted, and there is little doubt that reduced weight is also high up on the agenda.
What's the full engine line-up?
The engine line-up indicates that the next 1-series will likely move up the price and performance ladder:
Petrol
115i, 1.3-litre/105bhp
116i, 1.3-litre turbo/136bhp
118i, 1.3-litre turbo/177bhp
120i, 2.0-litre turbo/218bhp
130i, 3.0-litre six/272bhp
135iS, 3.0-litre twin-turbo six/326bhp
Diesel
118d, 2.0-litre/150 bhp
120d, 2.0-litre/184bhp
123d, 2.0-litre/211bhp
Also part of the package is phase two of Efficient Dynamics. New measures are said to include an integrated starter generator, a pre-heating circuit for the engine, differential and transmission oil, start-stop mated to automatic transmissions, on-demand water and oil pumps, a lithium-ion storage cell and a smaller starter battery.
BMW rethinks 2011 1-series
By Georg Kacher
13 March 2009 09:00
When selling cars is your business, good timing is essential - along with an evenly staggered launch schedule. BMW is having problems in both departments: not enough fresh product in 2008 and 2009, but a glut thereafter. The new 5-series is due in 2010, the new 1-series follows in 2011, and the 3-series replacement is scheduled for 2012. This incidentally concludes the list of future BMWs styled under Chris Bangle.
Cost is another issue which currently troubles the Bavarian Motor Works. Unlike Audi, which has pegged the A3 on the Golf matrix, and the new A1 on the even cheaper Polo, BMW has again paired the next 1-series with the follow-up to the 3-series. Instead of pooling the third-generation Mini, the Project i family and the MkII 1-series, BMW has twinned its price-sensitive entry-level model with a rival of the A4 and the C-class.
Would it not have been wiser to devise a common components set for the 3 and 5-series?
Of course, but now it's too late for last-minute revisions. In the third quarter of 2011, the five-door 1-series will roll off the line, followed by a two-door version. And there might be more Ones to follow - BMW is currently evaluating no fewer than five two-door alternatives. They are:
• a replacement for the classic two-door hatchback - a variant with a virtually neutral profit margin
• a three-door shooting brake - originally conceived to counter-attack the stillborn SLK-based SLT and the Audi TT Sportback
• a three-door Sportwagon or Touring - which makes sense unless it cannibalizes the 3-series touring
• a three- or five-door GT1/PAS - long and tall, but with controversial proportions and an exotic door concept
• a three-door Sport Activity Coupé with a glass roof and big tailgate - think of it as a two-door X1
In view of the current budget constraints, it is very difficult to predict which variant is most likely to get the nod.
So what's this new model?
Instead of offering an additional bodystyle, BMW is actually contemplating to launch an aggressively priced low-spec 115i entry-level model - which brings back memories of the barren 315 and 1502.
Anything at the other end of the scale?
In addition to the hatchback(s), we are going to see three different 1-series notchbacks. The new coupé is due in early 2012, the Supersport (unveiled in our exclusive sketch, right) conceived by the M division has been predicted for late 2012, and the convertible is likely to appear just in time for the 2013 spring season. While BMW has confirmed that the Supersport gets round headlamps as an hommage to the legendary 2002 series, the other three-box models may feature radically different oblong LED headlamps.
The Supersport version will be positioned between the 135iS and the next M3. Since the M3 switches from the V8 to a straight six, the Supersport - which won´t be badged M1 - can only be powered by a high-revving twin-turbo four-cylinder. According to the Munich grapevine, the drivetrain wizards of the M division are preparing a direct-injection 2.0 or 2.2-litre unit which develops 300bhp and about 450Nm. A dual-clutch transmission can be taken for granted, and there is little doubt that reduced weight is also high up on the agenda.
What's the full engine line-up?
The engine line-up indicates that the next 1-series will likely move up the price and performance ladder:
Petrol
115i, 1.3-litre/105bhp
116i, 1.3-litre turbo/136bhp
118i, 1.3-litre turbo/177bhp
120i, 2.0-litre turbo/218bhp
130i, 3.0-litre six/272bhp
135iS, 3.0-litre twin-turbo six/326bhp
Diesel
118d, 2.0-litre/150 bhp
120d, 2.0-litre/184bhp
123d, 2.0-litre/211bhp
Also part of the package is phase two of Efficient Dynamics. New measures are said to include an integrated starter generator, a pre-heating circuit for the engine, differential and transmission oil, start-stop mated to automatic transmissions, on-demand water and oil pumps, a lithium-ion storage cell and a smaller starter battery.
03-13-2009, 11:12 AM
#846
Senior Moderator
Merged...
03-13-2009, 06:08 PM
#847
Pro
I think BMW will do well to bring over the hatchbacks to North America and make the entry level BMW around 27K with an inline4 with turbo.
The main reason is that the world is now quite different from the world before the economic crisis. Many consumers are changing their spending habits and lifestyles. They may still enjoy a well balanced good handling car, but the need to impress the neighbors who are now jobless is pretty much gone.
An entry level BMW with great utility will make a good statement. Hey, Audi is doing it. And Honda's Fit is getting the job well done.
I don't believe those who say that cheaper BMWs will dilute the brand. The brand is diluted enough with all those cheap leases, which ended up costing the company a ton of money and contributed to profit drop 90%. A BMW entry level hatchback will solidify the brand, as long as it has excellent performance. Lux items could be selectively removed.
The main reason is that the world is now quite different from the world before the economic crisis. Many consumers are changing their spending habits and lifestyles. They may still enjoy a well balanced good handling car, but the need to impress the neighbors who are now jobless is pretty much gone.
An entry level BMW with great utility will make a good statement. Hey, Audi is doing it. And Honda's Fit is getting the job well done.
I don't believe those who say that cheaper BMWs will dilute the brand. The brand is diluted enough with all those cheap leases, which ended up costing the company a ton of money and contributed to profit drop 90%. A BMW entry level hatchback will solidify the brand, as long as it has excellent performance. Lux items could be selectively removed.
03-20-2009, 02:22 AM
#848
Senior Moderator
1-Series M Greenlighted...
From Leftlanenews...
And on second thought, let's merge this to the 1-series thread! 
Willisch also confirmed our earlier report that the next-generation 1-Series will offer a high-performance, M-designed model. Though it isn’t expected to be called M1, the 1-Series M will, at least in BMW’s eyes, reincarnate the first-generation “E30″ M3 offered in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Expect power to hover in the 300-horsepower range thanks to a turbocharged four-cylinder.
03-20-2009, 05:44 AM
#849
Living the Dream
^^That makes no sense
The 135i "hovers in the 300-power range"....with a turbo 6 no less.
Note to BMW:
Just make the 135i lighter = 1-series M
The 135i "hovers in the 300-power range"....with a turbo 6 no less.
Note to BMW:
Just make the 135i lighter = 1-series M
03-20-2009, 01:29 PM
#851
Senior Moderator
03-20-2009, 02:16 PM
#852
Engineer
The current 135i is about ~3400lbs according to bmwusa.com, I could see the M1 being around or under 3000lbs. It should be lighter than the 135i because of it's turbocharged 4 cylinder engine and probably use a lot of lightweight materials like carbon fiber.
If the power output is the same it has to distinguish itself from the 135 in performance, otherwise what's the point?
I almost want to compare it potential to the original M3...
If the power output is the same it has to distinguish itself from the 135 in performance, otherwise what's the point?
I almost want to compare it potential to the original M3...
03-20-2009, 03:35 PM
#853
Pro
I don't think the inline4 with turbo will do 300 HP. And it's not going to be a 1 series M model.
BMW blogs describe a 135i Super Sport with light materials. So more of a CSL version (Couple-Sport-Lightweight).
BMW blogs describe a 135i Super Sport with light materials. So more of a CSL version (Couple-Sport-Lightweight).
03-20-2009, 06:25 PM
#855
E92
They should definitely make lightweight a priority. They should also make sure a chipped 135 with some suspension mods would not walk all over their ///M 1-series
03-21-2009, 12:08 AM
#857
E92
04-08-2009, 08:34 AM
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its NOT the 1 series M. There is no M1. Thats a concept called the Homage. It has been built over decades as a BMW pride vehicle! They have designed the sport version of the 135i. and its not the 135iS or any of that. If you have seen it then you will love it. The car is beautiful! 135tii! let me repeat that. 135TII! Very similar to what they did with the CSI 3 series but better. Complete body kit, massive wieght reduction including a carbon hood, dropped the audio, racing bucket seats, the infamous M(blue) theme throught the car including the safetly harness, stitching, brake calipers, and everything else. said to be the same twin turbo 6cyl that they put in the 545i but tuned for the size and weight of the 135tii The 135i is neck and neck with the new m3, so practically thinking, even with the m5/6's supercharged v10, the 135tii should be pretty close to the big dog m's. keep up with your rear wheel KINGS!
04-08-2009, 08:37 AM
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04-08-2009, 09:30 AM
#860
Engineer
its NOT the 1 series M. There is no M1. Thats a concept called the Homage. It has been built over decades as a BMW pride vehicle! They have designed the sport version of the 135i. and its not the 135iS or any of that. If you have seen it then you will love it. The car is beautiful! 135tii! let me repeat that. 135TII! Very similar to what they did with the CSI 3 series but better. Complete body kit, massive wieght reduction including a carbon hood, dropped the audio, racing bucket seats, the infamous M(blue) theme throught the car including the safetly harness, stitching, brake calipers, and everything else. said to be the same twin turbo 6cyl that they put in the 545i but tuned for the size and weight of the 135tii The 135i is neck and neck with the new m3, so practically thinking, even with the m5/6's supercharged v10, the 135tii should be pretty close to the big dog m's. keep up with your rear wheel KINGS!
what are you talking about? That info you have on the 545 and M5/M6 is wrong...
04-08-2009, 09:33 AM
#861
Engineer
also that concept you posted is from 2007...
04-08-2009, 09:51 AM
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http://www.bmwcoop.com/2009/01/05/2010-bmw-135i-sport/
same car in 2010. it was a concept in 07. im sure they had alot of kinks to work out in a car that didnt run back then.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/05/r...oming-in-2010/
http://www.bimmerpages.com/forums/f4...d-2010-a-3773/
HMMM. all i was trying to point out is they would never put an m tag on it. and that its been designed and built already. excuse me, 535i, my finger slipped. and the new v10 coming out by bmw will either be supercharged or turbo'd, soo..
same car in 2010. it was a concept in 07. im sure they had alot of kinks to work out in a car that didnt run back then.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/05/r...oming-in-2010/
http://www.bimmerpages.com/forums/f4...d-2010-a-3773/
HMMM. all i was trying to point out is they would never put an m tag on it. and that its been designed and built already. excuse me, 535i, my finger slipped. and the new v10 coming out by bmw will either be supercharged or turbo'd, soo..
01-06-2010, 11:53 AM
#863
Senior Moderator
As reported on 1addicts Homepage.
BMW’s M division has started development of an M version of the 1-series coupé, set to be equipped with a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder engine producing 350bhp.
The new two-door, details of which were first uncovered by Autocar back in November, has now been added to BMW’s stable of future production models, with right-hand-drive UK sales set to begin in mid-2011.
Artist renderings of how the BMW M1 will look
The decision to put the car into production has been attributed to an “overwhelmingly positive reaction” to recent customer clinics, according to at least one high-ranking BMW official. Aimed at attracting younger customers to BMW’s performance cars, the new coupé is set to become the M division’s most affordable model.
It will slot into the range beneath the M3 coupé, and should cost around Ł38,000, Ł8000 more than the 135i Coupé M Sport. That means it will compete directly with Audi’s forthcoming RS3.
Revealing the plans for the new 1-series-based model, M division boss Kay Segler said, “I want to set a clear signal that our products are financially accessible.
“With the modular production processes in place at BMW, it is possible to create performance cars that customers can not only dream about owning but also realistically afford.”
BMW is still deciding whether or not to call the car M1, a name originally used on the firm’s legendary road racer supercar in 1978. Inspiration for the new car comes from BMW’s tii concept, a sporting version of the 1-series coupé that was revealed at the 2007 Tokyo motor show.
While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.
For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement.
The modifications are said to be on a similar level to those seen in the recently introduced X5 M and X6 M, whose 547bhp twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 has big changes compared with the standard V8 versions used in the X5 and X6.
The output of the new M six-pot is expected to climb to around 350bhp, some 48bhp more than the existing 135i M Sport but 70bhp less than the M3’s naturally aspirated 4.0-litre V8. More than outright power, though, it is torque that is likely to play a more significant role in defining the new car’s character.
No figures have been released, but with BMW’s standard turbocharged 3.0-litre six already producing an M3-equalling 295lb ft, the newly developed M version of this engine should be good for at least 310lb ft.
The basis for the new M-car is today’s 1-series coupé. Its driveline is likely to feature a standard six-speed dual-clutch gearbox and an electronically controlled M differential.
With a kerb weight of not much more than 1500kg, its straight-line performance should be close to that of the 1580kg M3. A relatively short 3.15:1 final drive promises a 0-60mph time of around 5.5sec.
Fuel-saving measures such as brake energy regeneration and possibly a stop-start system should also ensure the new M1 is no thirstier than the 135i, which is rated at 30.7mpg in six-speed manual guise.
Underneath, the layout of the 1-series coupé’s MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension will remain the same. However, BMW’s M division engineers have set about altering the suspension properties, with firmer spring and dampers and a new set of bushes, along with lightweight 18-inch alloy wheels. “We’re aiming to make it a lot more dynamic than the standard 135i,” said Segler.
Setting the M1 apart from the standard 1-series coupé will be a typically subtle M division body kit, including a deeper front spoiler, flared front wheel arches, chunkier sills, a rear deck spoiler and a deeper rear valance with four chromed exhaust pipes.
Assembly of the newest M-car is likely to take place at BMW’s Leipzig factory in Germany. alongside standard versions of the 1-series coupé.
But with 18 months to go until it goes on sale in the UK, Segler is remaining coy about projected volumes. “We’re confident it will draw new customers to the M line-up, but in these difficult economic times it’s impossible to say how it will fare,” he said. “It does, however, reveal where the brand is heading.”
Greg Kable
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/246235/
BMW’s M division has started development of an M version of the 1-series coupé, set to be equipped with a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder engine producing 350bhp.
The new two-door, details of which were first uncovered by Autocar back in November, has now been added to BMW’s stable of future production models, with right-hand-drive UK sales set to begin in mid-2011.
Artist renderings of how the BMW M1 will look
The decision to put the car into production has been attributed to an “overwhelmingly positive reaction” to recent customer clinics, according to at least one high-ranking BMW official. Aimed at attracting younger customers to BMW’s performance cars, the new coupé is set to become the M division’s most affordable model.
It will slot into the range beneath the M3 coupé, and should cost around Ł38,000, Ł8000 more than the 135i Coupé M Sport. That means it will compete directly with Audi’s forthcoming RS3.
Revealing the plans for the new 1-series-based model, M division boss Kay Segler said, “I want to set a clear signal that our products are financially accessible.
“With the modular production processes in place at BMW, it is possible to create performance cars that customers can not only dream about owning but also realistically afford.”
BMW is still deciding whether or not to call the car M1, a name originally used on the firm’s legendary road racer supercar in 1978. Inspiration for the new car comes from BMW’s tii concept, a sporting version of the 1-series coupé that was revealed at the 2007 Tokyo motor show.
While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.
For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement.
The modifications are said to be on a similar level to those seen in the recently introduced X5 M and X6 M, whose 547bhp twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 has big changes compared with the standard V8 versions used in the X5 and X6.
The output of the new M six-pot is expected to climb to around 350bhp, some 48bhp more than the existing 135i M Sport but 70bhp less than the M3’s naturally aspirated 4.0-litre V8. More than outright power, though, it is torque that is likely to play a more significant role in defining the new car’s character.
No figures have been released, but with BMW’s standard turbocharged 3.0-litre six already producing an M3-equalling 295lb ft, the newly developed M version of this engine should be good for at least 310lb ft.
The basis for the new M-car is today’s 1-series coupé. Its driveline is likely to feature a standard six-speed dual-clutch gearbox and an electronically controlled M differential.
With a kerb weight of not much more than 1500kg, its straight-line performance should be close to that of the 1580kg M3. A relatively short 3.15:1 final drive promises a 0-60mph time of around 5.5sec.
Fuel-saving measures such as brake energy regeneration and possibly a stop-start system should also ensure the new M1 is no thirstier than the 135i, which is rated at 30.7mpg in six-speed manual guise.
Underneath, the layout of the 1-series coupé’s MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension will remain the same. However, BMW’s M division engineers have set about altering the suspension properties, with firmer spring and dampers and a new set of bushes, along with lightweight 18-inch alloy wheels. “We’re aiming to make it a lot more dynamic than the standard 135i,” said Segler.
Setting the M1 apart from the standard 1-series coupé will be a typically subtle M division body kit, including a deeper front spoiler, flared front wheel arches, chunkier sills, a rear deck spoiler and a deeper rear valance with four chromed exhaust pipes.
Assembly of the newest M-car is likely to take place at BMW’s Leipzig factory in Germany. alongside standard versions of the 1-series coupé.
But with 18 months to go until it goes on sale in the UK, Segler is remaining coy about projected volumes. “We’re confident it will draw new customers to the M line-up, but in these difficult economic times it’s impossible to say how it will fare,” he said. “It does, however, reveal where the brand is heading.”
Greg Kable
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/246235/
also sad they are calling it a M1, very misleading and cheapening the iconic name the M1 has.
01-07-2010, 10:38 AM
#867
I'm the Firestarter
I guess at least the RS division had the guts to step up to the plate.
01-12-2010, 10:28 AM
#874
WAS HONDATAFIED IN
I'm surprised that the 135i is that much slower. It doesn't make sense to me. The 135i has better brakes, has the same output at a lower weight, i would imagine suspension to be similar if not identical to the 335i. Could it be the 135i didn't have summer tires? Or some other problem with it?
03-23-2010, 11:12 AM
#875
Safety Car
Fwd
It’s a bit mind-boggling to us how someone can buy a car and not know whether or not its front-wheel-drive or rear-wheel-drive. Well, according to BMW, 80 percent of BMW 1-Series owners believe that they are driving a front-wheel-drive car.
Yes, we are not kidding and that means only 20 percent of BMW 1-Series owners actually know what their car is worth.
BMW CEO Norbert Reithofer shared the statistic during a call with analysts following the release of the company’s 2009 financial results last week.
Either way, we’re guessing BMW’s recent announcement of offering entry-level front-wheel-drive vehicles shouldn’t cause to much of a dilemma amongst some of its customers – enthusiasts on the other hand may be a bit annoyed.
03-23-2010, 11:14 AM
#876
Senior Moderator
03-23-2010, 11:55 AM
#877
I shoot people
but the funny thing is... a lot of Honda/Acura owners don't know if their cars are FWD, RWD, or AWD. it also reminds of the time I was talking to this girl about her car, and I asked her if it was a "V6 or 4?". She wasn't sure, and said... "ummm I think it's a V4?"
I gotta admit, it was kinda cute.
03-23-2010, 12:15 PM
#879
I shoot people
^^^I'll admit, I didn't like them at first... but I DO now... especially the 135
03-23-2010, 01:21 PM
#880
E92