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06-22-2009, 04:15 PM
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2009 2.0T A3's are now available with quattro in the USA. Previously, only the 3.2 models had quattro available. Anyhow, all A3's with quattro use the Haldex system.
06-22-2009, 04:36 PM
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Yea, I'm aware of that part, but from the way you made it sound, it was as if you were trying to say their FWD A3 was actually AWD, when in actuality their FWD is FWD, and you were trying to say that their AWD is front biased. Is that correct?
06-23-2009, 03:53 PM
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Nope, i was just going off of his reaction to your statement about how "quattro would only be offered in a FWD configuration."
And yes, I did mean to say that A3's equipped with AWD are front biased. Quattro is just the name that Audi uses for AWD, but it isn't necessarily the same system used in each car. The A3 uses Haldex which is more front biased, while cars like the A4 use the Torsen system which is split 50/50 or even 40/60 as is the case with the RS4.
And yes, I did mean to say that A3's equipped with AWD are front biased. Quattro is just the name that Audi uses for AWD, but it isn't necessarily the same system used in each car. The A3 uses Haldex which is more front biased, while cars like the A4 use the Torsen system which is split 50/50 or even 40/60 as is the case with the RS4.
06-24-2009, 07:29 AM
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I'm the Firestarter
^^^ I'm an AWD noob, are these systems brand names that are actually made by other companies, or are these generic types of AWD systems that other companies also use, kind of like we say "Atkinson cycle"?
06-24-2009, 10:57 AM
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Well, Quattro is just an Audi trademark/brand name for the AWD cars in their lineup. Similar to how 4motion is for VW's and 4Matic is for MB's. Torsen and Haldex is the actual name of the AWD systems which are not exclusive to Audi. So yes, other companies have used these systems before, although they may be configured differently depending on the company.
Anyhow, if you're really bored, there's a whole thing on wikipedia about various AWD systems from SH-AWD to ATTESA to Torsen etc...
Anyhow, if you're really bored, there's a whole thing on wikipedia about various AWD systems from SH-AWD to ATTESA to Torsen etc...
07-19-2009, 10:41 PM
#1046
New Audi S4 has 18/28 fuel economy with 7 Speed DSG (its a new generation). 3rd generation MMI. (Not the outdated Infiniti System). Special body/RIM package to differentiate it from ordinary A4.
This car is faster than 335/G37 (more in M3 class) with confidence of latest torque vectoring AWD system. This is called value of Money.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
This car is faster than 335/G37 (more in M3 class) with confidence of latest torque vectoring AWD system. This is called value of Money.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
07-20-2009, 03:15 AM
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New Audi S4 has 18/28 fuel economy with 7 Speed DSG (its a new generation). 3rd generation MMI. (Not the outdated Infiniti System). Special body/RIM package to differentiate it from ordinary A4.
This car is faster than 335/G37 (more in M3 class) with confidence of latest torque vectoring AWD system. This is called value of Money.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
This car is faster than 335/G37 (more in M3 class) with confidence of latest torque vectoring AWD system. This is called value of Money.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
07-20-2009, 05:10 AM
#1049
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
Wait... I thought it was 24mpg hwy for the S4?! The 2.0T A4 is 27mpg hwy. That must be a pretty well optimized V6!
Fuel economy was one of the reasons I was going with an A4 over the S4 (I drive ~450mi/wk). I may need to save/wait a little more!
BTW The pricing for the A4 and options has been released. Didn't see it posted here - Link to Order Guide with A4, A5, Q5 pricing.
Fuel economy was one of the reasons I was going with an A4 over the S4 (I drive ~450mi/wk). I may need to save/wait a little more!
BTW The pricing for the A4 and options has been released. Didn't see it posted here - Link to Order Guide with A4, A5, Q5 pricing.
07-20-2009, 08:46 AM
#1050
Audi A6 is 18/26 with 3.0T.
S4 with 7Speed DSG and lighter weight should do 18/28. New V6 has plenty of low end torque and add to that new transmission. It should not have problem of doing 30mpg on freeway.
S4 with 7Speed DSG and lighter weight should do 18/28. New V6 has plenty of low end torque and add to that new transmission. It should not have problem of doing 30mpg on freeway.
08-14-2009, 11:26 AM
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officially under sub 5 second is pretty fast. I am sure C&D/R&T can shave a half second from it.
Audi announces 2010 MY pricing for all-new, segment-leading S4 performance sedan and stylish A5/S5 Cabriolet
- S4 sedan is repositioned to be more attainable without compromises in performance or features.
- A5 and S5 Cabriolet mark the expansion of the successful A5/S5 model line as the convertible model moves from the A4/S4 lineup.
- A5 and S5 Cabriolet employ an innovative acoustic soft top that features a 15 second folding time, integrated rear reading lights, and flat-folding 50:50 split rear seats.
HERNDON, Va., Aug 14, 2009 - Audi today announced the U.S. manufacturer’s suggested retail prices for the highly anticipated 2010 Audi S4 sedan and A5 / S5 Cabriolet models. The S models arrive at U.S. dealers in late August, while the A5 Cabriolet will be available in the Fall of 2009.
2010 S4 sedan (excluding $825 destination charge, taxes, title, options and dealer charges):
S4 sedan (manual) $45,900
S4 sedan (S tronic) $47,300
2010 A5 and S5 Cabriolet (excluding $825 destination charge, taxes, title, options and dealer charges):
A5 Cabriolet 2.0T multitronic front-wheel drive $42,000
A5 Cabriolet 2.0T Tiptronic quattro ` $44,100
S5 Cabriolet (S tronic) $58,250
The S4 sedan and A5/S5 Cabriolet feature technological advancements as available features that enhance both interior and performance luxury. The 3G MMI (Multi Media Interface) with 3D map graphics and SIRIUS traffic displays the latest evolution of 3D navigation, joystick control for navigation map destination finding, updated graphical clarity, SIRIUS® artist/title preview, and SIRIUS traffic-based navigation. The S4 sedan features voice-based destination input control, and voice inputs such as “I’m hungry,” “I need gas” and “I need coffee” that will point to the closest options. The unique Audi drive select option available in the S4 sedan and A5/S5 Cabriolet also helps the driver customize steering, suspension, and acceleration characteristics. The available performance-oriented Sports Rear Differential package with torque vectoring is reserved for the S4 sedan and S5 coupe/Cabriolet.
The 2010 S4 sedan returns to the Audi U.S. lineup a year after the successful launch of the all-new B8 A4, and marks a strategic enhancement for performance models in the U.S. Audi lineup.
The new S4 features more performance and technology than ever and now enters a hotly contested competitive set that includes the BMW 335i and Mercedes-Benz C350 at a very attainable price. Now equipped with a 3.0T V6 FSI direct injection supercharged engine with 333 hp and 325 lb-ft of torque, the 2010 S4 with a manual transmission offers a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds, compared to a 0-60 time of 5.3 seconds for the previous generation S4 V8 manual. The 2010 S4 also provides greater fuel efficiency (2010 S4 manual achieves 18 mpg city/27 highway, compared to the previous-generation 2008 S4 V8 manual ratings of 13 mpg city/20 mpg highway).
The S4 sedan will also provide more performance and standard features over its German luxury competitors. Using a continual focus on attention to detail, S4-specific features include distinctive standard S4-embossed heated front sport seats, front/rear bumpers, front grille, wheels, LED tail lights and front xenon headlamps with LED daytime running lights. Other unique standard features include rear-biased 40:60 quattro® all-wheel drive, 18” wheels, heated front sport seats with S4 logo embossing, stainless steel and carbon fiber interior trim, contrast stitching on steering wheel / shifter / seats, Bluetooth®, SIRIUS satellite radio, Homelink®, and iPod® Interface.
Audi announces 2010 MY pricing for all-new, segment-leading S4 performance sedan and stylish A5/S5 Cabriolet
- S4 sedan is repositioned to be more attainable without compromises in performance or features.
- A5 and S5 Cabriolet mark the expansion of the successful A5/S5 model line as the convertible model moves from the A4/S4 lineup.
- A5 and S5 Cabriolet employ an innovative acoustic soft top that features a 15 second folding time, integrated rear reading lights, and flat-folding 50:50 split rear seats.
HERNDON, Va., Aug 14, 2009 - Audi today announced the U.S. manufacturer’s suggested retail prices for the highly anticipated 2010 Audi S4 sedan and A5 / S5 Cabriolet models. The S models arrive at U.S. dealers in late August, while the A5 Cabriolet will be available in the Fall of 2009.
2010 S4 sedan (excluding $825 destination charge, taxes, title, options and dealer charges):
S4 sedan (manual) $45,900
S4 sedan (S tronic) $47,300
2010 A5 and S5 Cabriolet (excluding $825 destination charge, taxes, title, options and dealer charges):
A5 Cabriolet 2.0T multitronic front-wheel drive $42,000
A5 Cabriolet 2.0T Tiptronic quattro ` $44,100
S5 Cabriolet (S tronic) $58,250
The S4 sedan and A5/S5 Cabriolet feature technological advancements as available features that enhance both interior and performance luxury. The 3G MMI (Multi Media Interface) with 3D map graphics and SIRIUS traffic displays the latest evolution of 3D navigation, joystick control for navigation map destination finding, updated graphical clarity, SIRIUS® artist/title preview, and SIRIUS traffic-based navigation. The S4 sedan features voice-based destination input control, and voice inputs such as “I’m hungry,” “I need gas” and “I need coffee” that will point to the closest options. The unique Audi drive select option available in the S4 sedan and A5/S5 Cabriolet also helps the driver customize steering, suspension, and acceleration characteristics. The available performance-oriented Sports Rear Differential package with torque vectoring is reserved for the S4 sedan and S5 coupe/Cabriolet.
The 2010 S4 sedan returns to the Audi U.S. lineup a year after the successful launch of the all-new B8 A4, and marks a strategic enhancement for performance models in the U.S. Audi lineup.
The new S4 features more performance and technology than ever and now enters a hotly contested competitive set that includes the BMW 335i and Mercedes-Benz C350 at a very attainable price. Now equipped with a 3.0T V6 FSI direct injection supercharged engine with 333 hp and 325 lb-ft of torque, the 2010 S4 with a manual transmission offers a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds, compared to a 0-60 time of 5.3 seconds for the previous generation S4 V8 manual. The 2010 S4 also provides greater fuel efficiency (2010 S4 manual achieves 18 mpg city/27 highway, compared to the previous-generation 2008 S4 V8 manual ratings of 13 mpg city/20 mpg highway).
The S4 sedan will also provide more performance and standard features over its German luxury competitors. Using a continual focus on attention to detail, S4-specific features include distinctive standard S4-embossed heated front sport seats, front/rear bumpers, front grille, wheels, LED tail lights and front xenon headlamps with LED daytime running lights. Other unique standard features include rear-biased 40:60 quattro® all-wheel drive, 18” wheels, heated front sport seats with S4 logo embossing, stainless steel and carbon fiber interior trim, contrast stitching on steering wheel / shifter / seats, Bluetooth®, SIRIUS satellite radio, Homelink®, and iPod® Interface.
08-14-2009, 12:16 PM
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The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Nice
08-14-2009, 12:43 PM
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08-14-2009, 01:23 PM
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I have read about RS4 avant but not S4 avant.
Car gets 18/27 mpg with 6MT and 18/28 with 7Stronic all on 18inch.
19 inch summer performance tires are standard on prestige package.
Never has been high performance/AWD/Fuel economy combined into luxury package like new S4. I am sure 7 Stronic will be around 4.5~4.7sec time.
Car gets 18/27 mpg with 6MT and 18/28 with 7Stronic all on 18inch.
19 inch summer performance tires are standard on prestige package.
Never has been high performance/AWD/Fuel economy combined into luxury package like new S4. I am sure 7 Stronic will be around 4.5~4.7sec time.
08-15-2009, 12:20 AM
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I have read about RS4 avant but not S4 avant.
Car gets 18/27 mpg with 6MT and 18/28 with 7Stronic all on 18inch.
19 inch summer performance tires are standard on prestige package.
Never has been high performance/AWD/Fuel economy combined into luxury package like new S4. I am sure 7 Stronic will be around 4.5~4.7sec time.
Car gets 18/27 mpg with 6MT and 18/28 with 7Stronic all on 18inch.
19 inch summer performance tires are standard on prestige package.
Never has been high performance/AWD/Fuel economy combined into luxury package like new S4. I am sure 7 Stronic will be around 4.5~4.7sec time.
I wonder if the 7-speed auto on the S4 is going to be that much better.
One of the problems I have with Audi (and there aren't many) is that their gearing choices are perplexing. My 6-speed S4 does 3k RPM at about 70 mph.
My hope is that they fix that.
08-16-2009, 07:24 PM
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I'm the Firestarter
Does anyone know if the 2010 A4 has ventilated seats?
08-20-2009, 05:13 PM
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My local Audi dealer just took delivery of 3 new 2010 S4's. Cheapest one on the lot is $54,500 (6 speed) and the most expensive being $62,975 (S-tronic). Pricing seems to be along the lines of the previous generation. Those of you hoping for $45k-$47k bare bones S4's will probably have to order them.
08-27-2009, 02:45 PM
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Three Wheelin'
Can someone point to me whats the difference between the plus and prestige? They don't seem to have it in audi's site. Considering a new toy for next year, although it is hard to let go of my 3GTL with 27300 miles currently that hasn't given me any problems. I really hope Audi's reliability problems has gone away and will be on par with Acuras.
08-27-2009, 02:59 PM
#1061
2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
I'm trying to decide between the 2010 TL-AWD 6spd and 2010 A42.0T 6MT. Some of the recent reports on CR and True Delta suggest that the reliability of B8 models are doing quite well, par with Acura actually.
But I wonder if the reliability will hold and if it is just a fad. I need a dependable vehicle and don't want to wonder in the back of my mind if my car will break down.
08-27-2009, 03:13 PM
#1062
fap fap fap
Can someone point to me whats the difference between the plus and prestige? They don't seem to have it in audi's site. Considering a new toy for next year, although it is hard to let go of my 3GTL with 27300 miles currently that hasn't given me any problems. I really hope Audi's reliability problems has gone away and will be on par with Acuras.
advanced key/push button start
memory seats
navigation
voice control
bang & olufsen sound system
auto dimming power adjustable heated outside mirrors
auto dimming mirror with compass
19" wheels
power rear sunshade/manual sides (optional, only on prestige)
adaptive cruise control (optional, only on prestige)
drive select (optional, only on prestige)
08-27-2009, 08:00 PM
#1063
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
^ and the S-line option requires the Prestige package as well.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
08-27-2009, 09:01 PM
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^ and the S-line option requires the Prestige package as well.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
Adaptive Cruise is nice and all that but the seats and everything that comes with the S-Line makes the car so much nicer.
08-28-2009, 12:46 AM
#1065
2G TLX-S
+1
I'm trying to decide between the 2010 TL-AWD 6spd and 2010 A42.0T 6MT. Some of the recent reports on CR and True Delta suggest that the reliability of B8 models are doing quite well, par with Acura actually.
But I wonder if the reliability will hold and if it is just a fad. I need a dependable vehicle and don't want to wonder in the back of my mind if my car will break down.
I'm trying to decide between the 2010 TL-AWD 6spd and 2010 A42.0T 6MT. Some of the recent reports on CR and True Delta suggest that the reliability of B8 models are doing quite well, par with Acura actually.
But I wonder if the reliability will hold and if it is just a fad. I need a dependable vehicle and don't want to wonder in the back of my mind if my car will break down.
So make sure you buy the longest extended warranty available for your Audi if you plan to keep the car longer than 4 years.
08-28-2009, 03:06 AM
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Wonder if they will let me take the new S4 out for a spin. 
So gonna get murdered by tuned S4s soon. D'oh!
Just wished the S4 had wider body panels than the normal A4. Kinda like the RS4 does, but I guess that kept the cost down.
So gonna get murdered by tuned S4s soon. D'oh!
Just wished the S4 had wider body panels than the normal A4. Kinda like the RS4 does, but I guess that kept the cost down.
08-28-2009, 03:21 AM
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For the V8 S4, I was quoted $4000 for 3/36k. Ends up being like $110 a month ... I don't think that's really worth it on one hand and then the $22k engine replacement on the other leaves me in a quandary.
08-28-2009, 09:34 AM
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^ and the S-line option requires the Prestige package as well.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
I've talked to a few dealers and the buying service through work looking for prices. I still don't know if I want the adaptive cruise control or s-line. The problem with s-line is that by the time the car is delivered, it'll be winter, and I'll be dealing with buying all-season/winter tires in addition to the car.
08-28-2009, 10:24 AM
#1069
Three Wheelin'
same here....kinda sucks that cosmetic difference between the 2010 A4's and S4's are minimal. I had a hard time trying to find the difference, only obvious difference I can spot from the rear is the quad exhaust tips. I also wish they made it with a wider stance.
08-28-2009, 10:27 AM
#1070
Three Wheelin'
with prestige model you get these over premium plus...
advanced key/push button start
memory seats
navigation
voice control
bang & olufsen sound system
auto dimming power adjustable heated outside mirrors
auto dimming mirror with compass
19" wheels
power rear sunshade/manual sides (optional, only on prestige)
adaptive cruise control (optional, only on prestige)
drive select (optional, only on prestige)
advanced key/push button start
memory seats
navigation
voice control
bang & olufsen sound system
auto dimming power adjustable heated outside mirrors
auto dimming mirror with compass
19" wheels
power rear sunshade/manual sides (optional, only on prestige)
adaptive cruise control (optional, only on prestige)
drive select (optional, only on prestige)
08-28-2009, 01:19 PM
#1071
fap fap fap
yeah those are standard on Prestige S4. but some, like memory seats, advanced key, sunshade, adaptive cruise, drive select, not availabe on Premium Plus
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08-28-2009, 04:55 PM
#1072
2G TLX-S
I will be really interested to see what INDS and Fidelity charge for Platinum+ warranties.
For the V8 S4, I was quoted $4000 for 3/36k. Ends up being like $110 a month ... I don't think that's really worth it on one hand and then the $22k engine replacement on the other leaves me in a quandary.
For the V8 S4, I was quoted $4000 for 3/36k. Ends up being like $110 a month ... I don't think that's really worth it on one hand and then the $22k engine replacement on the other leaves me in a quandary.
For my Acura, I don't worry much about extended warranty. But for German vehicles, buying extended warranty is almost a must. I don't want to catch myself off guard in the future with a $2K ABS/ESP nor a $8K tranny repair bill, if so happens.
The cost of extended warranty for my previously-owned A4 had paid for itself 1.5 times over on all the repair bills. I really admired the Audi engineers, because they could design a car that was good for the first 4 years (factory warranty period) and would start to fall apart as soon as the factory warranty had expired.
In comparison with the A4, my current A6 is much more reliable and only has the tranny replaced twice, under warranty of course. Go figures.
08-28-2009, 11:37 PM
#1073
I miss my 03 CL-S :(
If you're looking for an A4 Prestige with S-line, how much more would it cost to move up to a S4 Premium +? Your opinion may differ, but I would sacrifice the luxury items in the Prestige Package for the performance advantage of the S4. Also, the S-line package is essentially standard on the S4.
08-29-2009, 08:51 AM
#1074
Fahrvergnügen'd
You know, I view the extended warranty as if it is another kind of auto insurance. As for auto insurance, you don't get your money's worth most of the times. But if you do, it will save your pocket big time.
For my Acura, I don't worry much about extended warranty. But for German vehicles, buying extended warranty is almost a must. I don't want to catch myself off guard in the future with a $2K ABS/ESP nor a $8K tranny repair bill, if so happens.
The cost of extended warranty for my previously-owned A4 had paid for itself 1.5 times over on all the repair bills. I really admired the Audi engineers, because they could design a car that was good for the first 4 years (factory warranty period) and would start to fall apart as soon as the factory warranty had expired.
In comparison with the A4, my current A6 is much more reliable and only has the tranny replaced twice, under warranty of course. Go figures.
For my Acura, I don't worry much about extended warranty. But for German vehicles, buying extended warranty is almost a must. I don't want to catch myself off guard in the future with a $2K ABS/ESP nor a $8K tranny repair bill, if so happens.
The cost of extended warranty for my previously-owned A4 had paid for itself 1.5 times over on all the repair bills. I really admired the Audi engineers, because they could design a car that was good for the first 4 years (factory warranty period) and would start to fall apart as soon as the factory warranty had expired.
In comparison with the A4, my current A6 is much more reliable and only has the tranny replaced twice, under warranty of course. Go figures.
On the S4 the only real concerns for me are things that people report have failed like the A/C compressor ($2500) or need to be replaced like the timing chain guides ($5000).
Everything else is normal maintenance that is just more expensive than an Accord.
08-29-2009, 02:26 PM
#1075
2G TLX-S
I agree with you but 5yr/60k for $5787 is a huge amount of money for insurance. To the point where it makes me question the logic of owning a car that would require that kind of protection in the first place.
On the S4 the only real concerns for me are things that people report have failed like the A/C compressor ($2500) or need to be replaced like the timing chain guides ($5000).
Everything else is normal maintenance that is just more expensive than an Accord.
On the S4 the only real concerns for me are things that people report have failed like the A/C compressor ($2500) or need to be replaced like the timing chain guides ($5000).
Everything else is normal maintenance that is just more expensive than an Accord.
My Canadian Audi dealership only offers plans up to a max. of 4-yr coverage. This 4-yr plan carries no deductible when doing repair in the same dealership, and costs me $4200 Cdn. If I had bought this plan 4 years ago at the same time when I bought my A6 new, it would have been almost $1K cheaper. The explanation for the price hike is that the insurance company has lost much money on covering repair-prone Audi vehicles.
Yes, maintenance is much more expensive. The A6 must use synthetic oil for lubrication, and it is a $120 oil change for my A6 compared with the $30 oil change for my parents' Accord.
08-29-2009, 03:16 PM
#1076
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$5787 USD is really hefty. How about a 4yr plan ?
My Canadian Audi dealership only offers plans up to a max. of 4-yr coverage. This 4-yr plan carries no deductible when doing repair in the same dealership, and costs me $4200 Cdn. If I had bought this plan 4 years ago at the same time when I bought my A6 new, it would have been almost $1K cheaper. The explanation for the price hike is that the insurance company has lost much money on covering repair-prone Audi vehicles.
Yes, maintenance is much more expensive. The A6 must use synthetic oil for lubrication, and it is a $120 oil change for my A6 compared with the $30 oil change for my parents' Accord.
My Canadian Audi dealership only offers plans up to a max. of 4-yr coverage. This 4-yr plan carries no deductible when doing repair in the same dealership, and costs me $4200 Cdn. If I had bought this plan 4 years ago at the same time when I bought my A6 new, it would have been almost $1K cheaper. The explanation for the price hike is that the insurance company has lost much money on covering repair-prone Audi vehicles.
Yes, maintenance is much more expensive. The A6 must use synthetic oil for lubrication, and it is a $120 oil change for my A6 compared with the $30 oil change for my parents' Accord.
5/60 $5787
4/48 $4863
3/36 $4028
I drive about 15-18k miles a year unfortunately, so I get even less value from the warranty. It's really like:
2/36
2.75/48
3.2/60
My car will be paid off in about 32 months. At that point I'll have about 100k on the clock. I'm not concerned about the first two years but the third as I get closer to 100k is where I'm concerned.
It's just a tough decision. I could do the 4/48 for about $5k and it would cover me for as long as I have payments on the car but again, we're talking about a lot of money.
08-29-2009, 04:49 PM
#1077
Burning Brakes
Agreed. The widebody RS4 has a very aggressive-looking rear end.
09-02-2009, 10:38 PM
#1078
so we should expect A4 TDI. 35mpg and 6.2sec AWD is pretty fast.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/28/f...tfsi-coming-t/
Extremely clean: Audi A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro
Audi debuted the 3.0 TDI clean diesel engine in its large Q7 SUV; now, the world's cleanest diesel technology will also be available in the best-selling A4.
A package of technologies boasts an array of innovative solutions for engines and the after-treatment of exhaust gas.
At the engine, a new common-rail injection system (which generates up to 2,000 bars of pressure), innovative pressure sensors in the combustion chamber, and an especially high-performance exhaust recirculating system collectively ensure a highly efficient and low-emission combustion process. A novel DeNOX catalytic converter, integrated within the end of the exhaust system, reduces residual nitrogen oxides. Just upstream of it, a pump injects an additive named AdBlue into the hot exhaust flow; there, this aqueous solution decomposes into ammonia - which splits the nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and water.
The A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro already complies with the emission limits of the EU's Euro 6 standard, expected to become law in 2014. It is also very fuel-efficient, averaging only 6.7 liters (Avant: 6.8 liters) of fuel per 100 km (35.11 and 34.59 miles per U.S. gallon). And this TDI engine is indeed a powerful performer, needing only 6.2 seconds (Avant: 6.3 seconds) to go from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph). Top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
In conjunction with a six-speed tiptronic and quattro permanent all-wheel drive, this vehicle guarantees a high degree of comfort and superior traction.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/28/f...tfsi-coming-t/
Extremely clean: Audi A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro
Audi debuted the 3.0 TDI clean diesel engine in its large Q7 SUV; now, the world's cleanest diesel technology will also be available in the best-selling A4.
A package of technologies boasts an array of innovative solutions for engines and the after-treatment of exhaust gas.
At the engine, a new common-rail injection system (which generates up to 2,000 bars of pressure), innovative pressure sensors in the combustion chamber, and an especially high-performance exhaust recirculating system collectively ensure a highly efficient and low-emission combustion process. A novel DeNOX catalytic converter, integrated within the end of the exhaust system, reduces residual nitrogen oxides. Just upstream of it, a pump injects an additive named AdBlue into the hot exhaust flow; there, this aqueous solution decomposes into ammonia - which splits the nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and water.
The A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro already complies with the emission limits of the EU's Euro 6 standard, expected to become law in 2014. It is also very fuel-efficient, averaging only 6.7 liters (Avant: 6.8 liters) of fuel per 100 km (35.11 and 34.59 miles per U.S. gallon). And this TDI engine is indeed a powerful performer, needing only 6.2 seconds (Avant: 6.3 seconds) to go from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph). Top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
In conjunction with a six-speed tiptronic and quattro permanent all-wheel drive, this vehicle guarantees a high degree of comfort and superior traction.
09-07-2009, 09:17 PM
#1079
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so we should expect A4 TDI. 35mpg and 6.2sec AWD is pretty fast.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/28/f...tfsi-coming-t/
Extremely clean: Audi A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro
Audi debuted the 3.0 TDI clean diesel engine in its large Q7 SUV; now, the world's cleanest diesel technology will also be available in the best-selling A4.
A package of technologies boasts an array of innovative solutions for engines and the after-treatment of exhaust gas.
At the engine, a new common-rail injection system (which generates up to 2,000 bars of pressure), innovative pressure sensors in the combustion chamber, and an especially high-performance exhaust recirculating system collectively ensure a highly efficient and low-emission combustion process. A novel DeNOX catalytic converter, integrated within the end of the exhaust system, reduces residual nitrogen oxides. Just upstream of it, a pump injects an additive named AdBlue into the hot exhaust flow; there, this aqueous solution decomposes into ammonia - which splits the nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and water.
The A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro already complies with the emission limits of the EU's Euro 6 standard, expected to become law in 2014. It is also very fuel-efficient, averaging only 6.7 liters (Avant: 6.8 liters) of fuel per 100 km (35.11 and 34.59 miles per U.S. gallon). And this TDI engine is indeed a powerful performer, needing only 6.2 seconds (Avant: 6.3 seconds) to go from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph). Top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
In conjunction with a six-speed tiptronic and quattro permanent all-wheel drive, this vehicle guarantees a high degree of comfort and superior traction.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/28/f...tfsi-coming-t/
Extremely clean: Audi A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro
Audi debuted the 3.0 TDI clean diesel engine in its large Q7 SUV; now, the world's cleanest diesel technology will also be available in the best-selling A4.
A package of technologies boasts an array of innovative solutions for engines and the after-treatment of exhaust gas.
At the engine, a new common-rail injection system (which generates up to 2,000 bars of pressure), innovative pressure sensors in the combustion chamber, and an especially high-performance exhaust recirculating system collectively ensure a highly efficient and low-emission combustion process. A novel DeNOX catalytic converter, integrated within the end of the exhaust system, reduces residual nitrogen oxides. Just upstream of it, a pump injects an additive named AdBlue into the hot exhaust flow; there, this aqueous solution decomposes into ammonia - which splits the nitrogen oxides into nitrogen and water.
The A4 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro already complies with the emission limits of the EU's Euro 6 standard, expected to become law in 2014. It is also very fuel-efficient, averaging only 6.7 liters (Avant: 6.8 liters) of fuel per 100 km (35.11 and 34.59 miles per U.S. gallon). And this TDI engine is indeed a powerful performer, needing only 6.2 seconds (Avant: 6.3 seconds) to go from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph). Top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
In conjunction with a six-speed tiptronic and quattro permanent all-wheel drive, this vehicle guarantees a high degree of comfort and superior traction.
Why am I supposed to buy a Volt/Prius/Insight?
09-07-2009, 09:47 PM
#1080
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Regarding the 4.2 FSI vs. 3.0T ...
From the graph it's pretty obvious that for 95% of the people who drive a car with either engine they aren't going to notice any difference.
Audi's decision to keep the 4.2 seems to be based entirely on perception by the consumer that the V8 brings a different status to the car in question rather than any real performance advantage.
The 3.0T gets better fuel economy and there's a very good chance that the engine can get more than the 330hp rating out of it with just a pulley or updated software.
Audi, in my humble opinion, needs to ditch the V8 in the S5 and bring the 3.0T over to the States and if needed, convince people that the 3.0T is a better option.
Leave a monster 4.2 FSI for the RS5 if it ever comes here.