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09-04-2008, 05:51 PM
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Eh wait a year the prices will go down they are high because I'm sure a lot of people want one and Audi can charge the premium right now for it.
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Although how much would they go down in the following year? $500-1000 or more like $1000-2000??And I don't know how true this or not since I haven't been paying attention, but the value of the USD has been going back up compared to the Euro, so that in itself may bring prices down too.
09-10-2008, 03:04 AM
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Although how much would they go down in the following year? $500-1000 or more like $1000-2000??And I don't know how true this or not since I haven't been paying attention, but the value of the USD has been going back up compared to the Euro, so that in itself may bring prices down too.
09-10-2008, 04:54 AM
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Biker - while I think you're right in general, I'm sure the closer you get to the model year end, they won't lower the price, but they'll be willing to make better deals.
Plus I think sly is right - the dollar is bouncing back a bit so waiting is a good idea, but at the rate it's going, by the end of the model year 2009 the savings won't add up to much.
I was planning on getting a 2.0T in Feb, but had an at-fault fender bender in my TSX. I'm sure the insurance will be way high in the A4 now
Plus I think sly is right - the dollar is bouncing back a bit so waiting is a good idea, but at the rate it's going, by the end of the model year 2009 the savings won't add up to much.
I was planning on getting a 2.0T in Feb, but had an at-fault fender bender in my TSX. I'm sure the insurance will be way high in the A4 now
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Although how much would they go down in the following year? $500-1000 or more like $1000-2000??And I don't know how true this or not since I haven't been paying attention, but the value of the USD has been going back up compared to the Euro, so that in itself may bring prices down too.
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However, in the case of euro cars, I think the value of the USD has played more of a role at the present time than it has in previous years only because it's doing so bad.
My wife and I locked in a deal of $38,856 for our '08 A4 Avant 2.0T 6spd, fully loaded mind you. yea, we got a good deal because it was the last model year, but even still, MSRP on that car was $41,500 approx, the new B8 (auto with prestige package, fully loaded) is $51K! That's a huge incremental leap IMHO from what we purchased.
09-22-2008, 06:36 PM
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Audi S4 Sedan & Avant Break Out Ahead of Paris Unveiling
Audi has released the first details and images of the Audi S4 which will be unveiled to the public at the Paris Motor Show in both Sedan and Avant form. Power for the souped-up model will come from the company's brand new 3.0-liter TFSI engine which also features in the new Audi A6 facelift. But whereas the larger sibling will have to make do with 290 bhp, the new Audi S4 will get a power boost up to 333hp(245kW) along with a peak torque figure of 440Nm (20Nm more than the A6).
The new engine is equipped with supercharger and direct injection technology, it allows the S4 sedan to catapult from zero to 100km/h in just 5.1 seconds whilst the Avant variant stands a further 0.1 seconds behind. Both body styles have a top speed of 250km/h that is electronically limited and despite the superb performance figures, the German's have engineered the model well enough to limit the fuel consumption to just 9.7 liters per 100km (24.25 US MPG) for the sedan and 9.9 liters per 100km (23.76 US MPG) for the Avant.
The S4 features a six speed transmission system as standard and as you would expect consumers have the opportunity to upgrade this unit to dual-clutch seven-speed S tronic system which offers quicker and smoother gear changes over the conventional system. Power is then passed to the wheels via Audi's permanent all-wheel-drive system with a 60% bias going to the rear, adding to the overall sporty feel of the model. Audi's sport differential also adjusts this torque flow when required such as when the car accelerates round corners.
The S4 has received a number of exterior modifications to tell it apart from the regular A4 and also keeps it in line with the other “S� models in the Audi line-up. These include a a slightly remodelled front apron with a grille featuring vertically opposed bars, xenon plus headlights with daytime running lights, 18-inch S-design light-alloy wheels, side rocker panels and a restrained spoiler at the rear with a quadruple exhaust system. The black themed interior features brushed aluminum inlays and gets a multifunctional sports steering wheel, sports seats´and S4 emblems.
Audi will begin delivery of its new S models in March 2009.
Source: Audi
The new engine is equipped with supercharger and direct injection technology, it allows the S4 sedan to catapult from zero to 100km/h in just 5.1 seconds whilst the Avant variant stands a further 0.1 seconds behind. Both body styles have a top speed of 250km/h that is electronically limited and despite the superb performance figures, the German's have engineered the model well enough to limit the fuel consumption to just 9.7 liters per 100km (24.25 US MPG) for the sedan and 9.9 liters per 100km (23.76 US MPG) for the Avant.
The S4 features a six speed transmission system as standard and as you would expect consumers have the opportunity to upgrade this unit to dual-clutch seven-speed S tronic system which offers quicker and smoother gear changes over the conventional system. Power is then passed to the wheels via Audi's permanent all-wheel-drive system with a 60% bias going to the rear, adding to the overall sporty feel of the model. Audi's sport differential also adjusts this torque flow when required such as when the car accelerates round corners.
The S4 has received a number of exterior modifications to tell it apart from the regular A4 and also keeps it in line with the other “S� models in the Audi line-up. These include a a slightly remodelled front apron with a grille featuring vertically opposed bars, xenon plus headlights with daytime running lights, 18-inch S-design light-alloy wheels, side rocker panels and a restrained spoiler at the rear with a quadruple exhaust system. The black themed interior features brushed aluminum inlays and gets a multifunctional sports steering wheel, sports seats´and S4 emblems.
Audi will begin delivery of its new S models in March 2009.
Source: Audi
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So with the current pricing on the A4's the new S4 should theoretically cost as much as a M3 or C63, correct? If that's the case, Audi must be smoking some good herb.
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The B8 was around $80k correct? There is no way I could ever justify that new, especially given the competition. Essentially you could buy a fully loaded IS-F, which to me would be my last choice, for only a few grand more than a fully loaded A4, so I'm guessing the S4 will sit around the fully loaded M3 in pricing. That's absolutely ridiculous, I love Audi's, but they're not worth anything close to that.
09-23-2008, 06:15 PM
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The M3 and C63 are more expensive (which is why there's an RS4).
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You'll rarely find an S4 (current generation) on dealers lots for under $52k, let alone $40k unless it's used. I think the new B8 S4 will be priced near the same range as the outgoing model ($52k-$57k) depending on equipment. This is still below the M3, which currently has a typical price range of $65k for the sedan version. To me, the S4 is slotted above BMW's 335i, but below the M3. The real M3 contender would be the RS4.
09-24-2008, 01:00 PM
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to get a good understanding of audi pricing...i posted below on the S5 thread.
wow, audi is severly expensive compared to its competitors. Having two tiers of sport models (S and RS) is a tricky little marketing gimmick. it allows them a staggered approach to rank themselves to competitors sport models (AMG / M) and also the high displacement models (335, etc). The mags and reviewers are duped. (Ex. M3 VS S5. but really, if you think about it, it should be M3 VS RS5). audi always WAITS and WAITS to release the RS editions to allow for consumers to scramble and buy up the S's instead of the Ms. But in all reality, the RS5 is the real competition. And its pricing usually sits a bit higher than the others.
in the end...audi has you reaching deeper in your pockets as you would like to.
wow, audi is severly expensive compared to its competitors. Having two tiers of sport models (S and RS) is a tricky little marketing gimmick. it allows them a staggered approach to rank themselves to competitors sport models (AMG / M) and also the high displacement models (335, etc). The mags and reviewers are duped. (Ex. M3 VS S5. but really, if you think about it, it should be M3 VS RS5). audi always WAITS and WAITS to release the RS editions to allow for consumers to scramble and buy up the S's instead of the Ms. But in all reality, the RS5 is the real competition. And its pricing usually sits a bit higher than the others.
in the end...audi has you reaching deeper in your pockets as you would like to.
09-24-2008, 02:35 PM
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You'll rarely find an S4 (current generation) on dealers lots for under $52k, let alone $40k unless it's used. I think the new B8 S4 will be priced near the same range as the outgoing model ($52k-$57k) depending on equipment. This is still below the M3, which currently has a typical price range of $65k for the sedan version. To me, the S4 is slotted above BMW's 335i, but below the M3. The real M3 contender would be the RS4.
10-23-2008, 06:38 PM
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2009 S4 Sedan & Avant in Depth
Press release...
Faster, further, more agile: the new Audi S4 and S4 Avant are well-trained athletes. Their new engine, the 3.0 TFSI, combines the power of 245 kW (333 hp) with an astonishingly low fuel consumption of 9.7 (Avant: 9.9) liters per 100 km (24.25 US mpg or 23.76 US mpg for the Avant). The quattro permanent four-wheel drive system ensures practically loss-free transfer of this power to the road; a sports suspension and a high-performance brake system control it reliably. The dynamic look outside and in, together with the generous range of standard equipment, underline the exclusive character of both new S models from Audi.
The S4 and the S4 Avant are extending their lead even further with a package of optional performance technologies. The seven-speed S tronic changes gears with lightning speed without any interruption in the power flow and the new sport differential distributes the torque as needed between the rear wheels. With Audi drive select the driver can alter the working mode of the engine, S tronic and the sport differential as desired; dynamic steering and adaptive damper control round off the system. Delivery will commence in March; the basic price is very attractive at 50,950 euros (for the S4 sedan).
The 3.0 TFSI, the heart of the new S4 and S4 Avant, is the youngest member of the Audi V-engine family, and is an outstanding example of how the brand with the four rings blends performance and efficiency. The V6 generates its power from a displacement of 2,995 cc, is equipped with a supercharger, and delivers 245 kW (333 hp). The sedan sprints to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in just 5.1 seconds, the Avant in 5.2 seconds. They both have an electronically governed top speed of 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
Equally impressive is the mighty pulling power of the 3.0 TFSI – its maximum torque of 440 Nm (324.53 lb-ft) is available between 2,900 and 5,300 rpm. The supercharged V6 responds spontaneously and directly to the throttle in every situation. Despite its concentrated power it proves to be incredibly frugal – the sedan requires on average just 9.7 liters and the Avant a mere 9.9 liters of fuel per 100 km (24.25 US mpg and 23.76 US mpg respectively).
The V6 channels its power through a precise six-speed gearbox, fitted as standard. As an option, Audi offers a state-of-the-art dual-clutch transmission – the seven-speed S tronic is extremely dynamic and highly efficient. S4 drivers have the option of driving in fully automatic mode or selecting the gears with paddles on the steering wheel or directly with the shift lever – all of which provide impressively quick gearshifts. The gearshift feel is dynamic, comfortable and very precise – typically Audi.
quattro permanent four-wheel drive transfers this enormous power to the road with no loss. Under normal driving conditions it sends 40 percent of the torque to the front and 60 percent to the rear wheels; if necessary it can vary distribution within fractions of a second. The quattro drive system ensures safe self-steering characteristics, high stability and excellent traction in comparison with rear-wheel-drive competitors.
Customized torque distribution: the sport differential
The sport differential is the ideal complement, lending the quattro drive even greater fascination. The innovative control system distributes torque between the rear wheels in continuously variable proportions, according to the driving situation. This controlled torque intervention enables the S4 and S4 Avant to take corners even more spontaneously and directly and to retain their directional stability for even longer.
The new Audi S4 and S4 Avant are natural, well-trained athletes. Their five-link front axle and the self-tracking trapezoidal-link rear axle are of a highly sophisticated design; thanks to several aluminum components they are particularly light in weight. The low-mounted steering gear transmits the steering forces to the wheels without any lag time and gives the driver a precise and sensitive road feel.
The spontaneity of the S4 and S4 Avant is enthralling and they possess the smooth, precise reactions of a thoroughbred sports car. In the drivetrain, the differential is positioned in front of the clutch, which allowed the engine to be moved 154 mm (6.06 in) towards the rear compared with the predecessor model. This layout perfectly evens out the axle loads, and in addition, affords the long wheelbase of 2,811 mm (9.22 ft) exceptional stability.
The chassis has been given stiffer axle bearings, and the sporty tuning with firm shock absorbers puts the body 20 millimeters (0.79 in) closer to the road compared with the A4. Behind the 18-inch cast aluminum wheels – 19-inch wheels are available on request – sit the large-dimensioned brakes. The black-painted brake calipers – at the front with the S4 logo – grip the ventilated disks with newly developed brake pads.
Another high-end feature in the new S4 and S4 Avant is the Audi drive select dynamic driving system. It influences the throttle response characteristics, the shift points for the seven-speed S tronic dual-clutch transmission and supports the speed-dependent servotronic steering. With the push of a button, the driver decides if these components are to operate in a comfortable, medium, or dynamic mode. If the vehicle is equipped with the large version of the navigation system and the accompanying MMI operating system, a fourth mode is available, which the driver can set up according to his or her individual preferences.
Audi drive select can only be ordered in conjunction with one or more of three additional technologies – the sport differential, adaptive control for the shock absorbers or dynamic steering, which is another high-tech solution. Its superposition gear varies the ratio by almost 100 percent; in terms of driving safety, it reduces the load on the ESP stabilization program as it stabilizes the car through lightning-fast steering interventions when cornering at the handling limits.
The standard-specification tire pressure monitoring system alerts the driver as soon as the pressure drops in one or several tires and thus provides additional safety.
Athletic look: the design
Both the Audi S4 and the S4 Avant look athletic and muscular on the road. Some of the most striking modifications to the exterior design are the special aprons, the aluminum-look exterior mirrors, the 18-inch light-alloy wheels in the S design, the sill trims, the restrained spoiler at the rear and the quadruple exhaust system. The xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and LED rear lights are further distinctive features.
The interior also underscores the sporty expertise that is the hallmark of both new S models. The sports seats in Alcantara/leather combination come as standard with electrical adjustment. The leather sports steering wheel, the key and the instrument cluster – featuring gray dials and white needles – bear the S4 logo. The interior is in black, with matt brushed aluminum inlays. Carbon and birch wood inlays are also available, as is a new stainless steel mesh inlay. The seats are also available in a choice of styles and materials.
Optional assistance systems provide the driver with even greater control on the road. Adaptive cruise control (ACC) maintains the distance to the vehicle in front. The Audi side assist makes changing lanes safer; the Audi parking system advanced makes backing into a parking space easier.
With regard to multimedia, Audi offers an attractive technology package. The communications and entertainment technologies portfolio includes the unrivalled MMI operating system, various types of radio and sound systems all the way up to the high-end solution from Bang & Olufsen, two navigation systems, an iPod interface, and a highly convenient Bluetooth car phone.
At a glance
Engine (performance figures for S4 sedan)
• Newly developed 3.0 TFSI delivering 245 kW (333 hp) and 440 Nm of torque (324.53 lb-ft),mechanical supercharging for powerful performance and superior
efficiency
• Dynamic performance: from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 5.1 seconds, top speed of 250 km/h (155.34 mph) (governed)
• Fuel consumption 9.7 l/100 km (24.25 US mpg), 27 percent lower than for predecessor
Power transmission
• Six-speed manual gearbox as standard, optional seven-speed S tronic for lightning-fast gear shifts
• quattro permanent four-wheel drive with slightly rear-biased characteristics
• Optional sport differential for variable distribution of propulsive power to the rear wheels
Chassis
• Sports suspension with firm settings, optional Audi drive select dynamic driving
• system with adaptive damper control and dynamic steering
• High-performance brake system with large disks and black calipers
• Wheels 18 inches in diameter, or optionally 19-inch wheels
Body
• Length 4,717 millimeters (185.71 in), width 1,826 millimeters (71.89 in), height 1,406 millimeters (55.35 in) (sedan), large luggage capacity of 490 to 1,430 liters (17.30 to 50.50 cu. ft) (Avant)
• Dynamic proportions, sporty and elegant design details
Interior and equipment
• High-quality materials with an exclusive look
• Instrument cluster with special S design
• Xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and LED rear lights
• State-of-the-art assistance and communications systems available
The S4 and the S4 Avant are extending their lead even further with a package of optional performance technologies. The seven-speed S tronic changes gears with lightning speed without any interruption in the power flow and the new sport differential distributes the torque as needed between the rear wheels. With Audi drive select the driver can alter the working mode of the engine, S tronic and the sport differential as desired; dynamic steering and adaptive damper control round off the system. Delivery will commence in March; the basic price is very attractive at 50,950 euros (for the S4 sedan).
The 3.0 TFSI, the heart of the new S4 and S4 Avant, is the youngest member of the Audi V-engine family, and is an outstanding example of how the brand with the four rings blends performance and efficiency. The V6 generates its power from a displacement of 2,995 cc, is equipped with a supercharger, and delivers 245 kW (333 hp). The sedan sprints to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in just 5.1 seconds, the Avant in 5.2 seconds. They both have an electronically governed top speed of 250 km/h (155.34 mph).
Equally impressive is the mighty pulling power of the 3.0 TFSI – its maximum torque of 440 Nm (324.53 lb-ft) is available between 2,900 and 5,300 rpm. The supercharged V6 responds spontaneously and directly to the throttle in every situation. Despite its concentrated power it proves to be incredibly frugal – the sedan requires on average just 9.7 liters and the Avant a mere 9.9 liters of fuel per 100 km (24.25 US mpg and 23.76 US mpg respectively).
The V6 channels its power through a precise six-speed gearbox, fitted as standard. As an option, Audi offers a state-of-the-art dual-clutch transmission – the seven-speed S tronic is extremely dynamic and highly efficient. S4 drivers have the option of driving in fully automatic mode or selecting the gears with paddles on the steering wheel or directly with the shift lever – all of which provide impressively quick gearshifts. The gearshift feel is dynamic, comfortable and very precise – typically Audi.
quattro permanent four-wheel drive transfers this enormous power to the road with no loss. Under normal driving conditions it sends 40 percent of the torque to the front and 60 percent to the rear wheels; if necessary it can vary distribution within fractions of a second. The quattro drive system ensures safe self-steering characteristics, high stability and excellent traction in comparison with rear-wheel-drive competitors.
Customized torque distribution: the sport differential
The sport differential is the ideal complement, lending the quattro drive even greater fascination. The innovative control system distributes torque between the rear wheels in continuously variable proportions, according to the driving situation. This controlled torque intervention enables the S4 and S4 Avant to take corners even more spontaneously and directly and to retain their directional stability for even longer.
The new Audi S4 and S4 Avant are natural, well-trained athletes. Their five-link front axle and the self-tracking trapezoidal-link rear axle are of a highly sophisticated design; thanks to several aluminum components they are particularly light in weight. The low-mounted steering gear transmits the steering forces to the wheels without any lag time and gives the driver a precise and sensitive road feel.
The spontaneity of the S4 and S4 Avant is enthralling and they possess the smooth, precise reactions of a thoroughbred sports car. In the drivetrain, the differential is positioned in front of the clutch, which allowed the engine to be moved 154 mm (6.06 in) towards the rear compared with the predecessor model. This layout perfectly evens out the axle loads, and in addition, affords the long wheelbase of 2,811 mm (9.22 ft) exceptional stability.
The chassis has been given stiffer axle bearings, and the sporty tuning with firm shock absorbers puts the body 20 millimeters (0.79 in) closer to the road compared with the A4. Behind the 18-inch cast aluminum wheels – 19-inch wheels are available on request – sit the large-dimensioned brakes. The black-painted brake calipers – at the front with the S4 logo – grip the ventilated disks with newly developed brake pads.
Another high-end feature in the new S4 and S4 Avant is the Audi drive select dynamic driving system. It influences the throttle response characteristics, the shift points for the seven-speed S tronic dual-clutch transmission and supports the speed-dependent servotronic steering. With the push of a button, the driver decides if these components are to operate in a comfortable, medium, or dynamic mode. If the vehicle is equipped with the large version of the navigation system and the accompanying MMI operating system, a fourth mode is available, which the driver can set up according to his or her individual preferences.
Audi drive select can only be ordered in conjunction with one or more of three additional technologies – the sport differential, adaptive control for the shock absorbers or dynamic steering, which is another high-tech solution. Its superposition gear varies the ratio by almost 100 percent; in terms of driving safety, it reduces the load on the ESP stabilization program as it stabilizes the car through lightning-fast steering interventions when cornering at the handling limits.
The standard-specification tire pressure monitoring system alerts the driver as soon as the pressure drops in one or several tires and thus provides additional safety.
Athletic look: the design
Both the Audi S4 and the S4 Avant look athletic and muscular on the road. Some of the most striking modifications to the exterior design are the special aprons, the aluminum-look exterior mirrors, the 18-inch light-alloy wheels in the S design, the sill trims, the restrained spoiler at the rear and the quadruple exhaust system. The xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and LED rear lights are further distinctive features.
The interior also underscores the sporty expertise that is the hallmark of both new S models. The sports seats in Alcantara/leather combination come as standard with electrical adjustment. The leather sports steering wheel, the key and the instrument cluster – featuring gray dials and white needles – bear the S4 logo. The interior is in black, with matt brushed aluminum inlays. Carbon and birch wood inlays are also available, as is a new stainless steel mesh inlay. The seats are also available in a choice of styles and materials.
Optional assistance systems provide the driver with even greater control on the road. Adaptive cruise control (ACC) maintains the distance to the vehicle in front. The Audi side assist makes changing lanes safer; the Audi parking system advanced makes backing into a parking space easier.
With regard to multimedia, Audi offers an attractive technology package. The communications and entertainment technologies portfolio includes the unrivalled MMI operating system, various types of radio and sound systems all the way up to the high-end solution from Bang & Olufsen, two navigation systems, an iPod interface, and a highly convenient Bluetooth car phone.
At a glance
Engine (performance figures for S4 sedan)
• Newly developed 3.0 TFSI delivering 245 kW (333 hp) and 440 Nm of torque (324.53 lb-ft),mechanical supercharging for powerful performance and superior
efficiency
• Dynamic performance: from zero to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 5.1 seconds, top speed of 250 km/h (155.34 mph) (governed)
• Fuel consumption 9.7 l/100 km (24.25 US mpg), 27 percent lower than for predecessor
Power transmission
• Six-speed manual gearbox as standard, optional seven-speed S tronic for lightning-fast gear shifts
• quattro permanent four-wheel drive with slightly rear-biased characteristics
• Optional sport differential for variable distribution of propulsive power to the rear wheels
Chassis
• Sports suspension with firm settings, optional Audi drive select dynamic driving
• system with adaptive damper control and dynamic steering
• High-performance brake system with large disks and black calipers
• Wheels 18 inches in diameter, or optionally 19-inch wheels
Body
• Length 4,717 millimeters (185.71 in), width 1,826 millimeters (71.89 in), height 1,406 millimeters (55.35 in) (sedan), large luggage capacity of 490 to 1,430 liters (17.30 to 50.50 cu. ft) (Avant)
• Dynamic proportions, sporty and elegant design details
Interior and equipment
• High-quality materials with an exclusive look
• Instrument cluster with special S design
• Xenon plus headlights with LED daytime running lights and LED rear lights
• State-of-the-art assistance and communications systems available
10-23-2008, 07:24 PM
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10-23-2008, 09:43 PM
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