jwong77

Lol, and just like all RL's before it, will stick around for a good 8-10 years and will continue to suck worse vs the competition (SALES WISE) every year it is left to rot on Acura dealer lots.

AZuser

You must not have heard. Acura just started offering the "pulse-revving, track-inspired" GT kit for the TLX. Now owners can transform their pedestrian TLX into a TLX GT race car.

TacoBello

I heard the package shifts the engine about a foot back and also adds twin turbos to it.

Edward'TLS

Well, that's all Acura has for it's sedan lineup. ILX - dead, TLX - dead, RLX - dead.

Acura sedan line = DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, until the next major model cycle product(s) kicks in.

Edward'TLS

Don't forget to mention that the package also transform the TLX from it's original FWD/AWD configuration to RWD too.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

Not surprising, since MOST sedans are dead.
Ford and VW realize this and are shifting production to Mexico

RPhilMan1

Refresh, refine, and update. Look at what the new A4, Q50, and Maxima are doing. It's funny, I have been seeing quite a few new Maximas on the road, which makes sense given the chart. Seems a bit crazy to me because I find that car pretty ugly.

Acura is boring.

TacoBello

I think the sedan business is unsustainable in this era. Sure, the new maxima is selling well... because it is new. By year 3, the sales numbers will be cut in half. People just don't have love for sedans like they used to. It's a shame, really.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Heard the RLX replacement wont come until 2020......hahaha

I actually just saw that today................that wheel gap...................

I don't know man, The A4 overall went up by 10% YTD, but for a brand new model, its actual sales figure doesn't look that good.

oonowindoo

Until Audi fixes their leasing program, Audi's volume will never be anywhere close to the other 2. It has very little to do with the cars themselves. The #s just don't make sense when compare to BMW and Benz.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I see, no idea what it's like in the States.

oonowindoo

For reference purposes, the lease payment on an A4 (well equipped) is about the same as a 340 with similar packages. or you can lease a fucking M5 for the same $ as an S6. (competitor with 550i)

So it is kinda obvious where the problem is with Audi.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

lol wtf, that's crazy....it's impressive that the A6 is second place in its segment last month, behind the E Class, but in front of the XTS, CTS, 5 series, GS, Q70, G80.

oonowindoo

i am not surprised about the others except for the 5 series. What were the #s?

F10 5 series being a 7 years old model has ran its course but i thought it would still sell more than A6.

US Market:
2016 A6 YTD - 13709
2016 5 series YTD - 27705

Based on those #s, something must had happened for A6 to outsell 5 series in Sept.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

A6 1,599 -6.7%
5series 1,521 -62.5%

The current 5 series and A6 were both introduced in 2010 (January and November respectively). So the A6, while newer, is still quite old.

I wonder what changed either....

TacoBello

Announcement of a new 5 series?

oonowindoo

yah that is part of it, but most of the general public don't know shit about the new 5. it should not account for 63% drop.

i thought they had depleted their 2016 5 series inventory since 2016 5 sedan are not even on BMW's website anymore But my local dealers still have a lot of 2016 5 series on their lot. Dont know.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

yea if there are a lot of 5 series on the lot, I'd imagine dealers want to get rid of them asap to create room for new generation. May be September was just an anomaly....

SSFTSX

Audi S6 is better car than M5. look at its C&d test.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

^Shhhhh, let the grown up's talk

TacoBello

Justn won the internet that day. Well done. Well done!

SSFTSX

these jokers want to start a premium brand. they did not hear that Chinese bought Volvo and Indians have JLR which with lower pound every one will buy LR SUVs.

TSX69

Car and Truck Balance Continues to Power American Honda Sales in October - Acura NewsCar and Truck Balance Continues to Power American Honda Sales in October

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Nov 1, 2016 - TORRANCE, Calif.

• American Honda trucks set new October sales record with both Honda and Acura trucks setting new October benchmarks
• Honda CR-V has best-ever October sales
• Honda Civic remains on pace for best annual sales in model history
• Powering Acura's October truck record, RDX also set a new October mark and MDX jumped 14.7 percent

American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported October sales of 126,161 Honda and Acura vehicles, a decrease of just 4.2 percent versus October 2015 reflecting 2 less selling days than a year ago. American Honda trucks set a new October record, gaining 2.1 percent while overall sales at the Honda Division dipped slightly, by 2 percent. Both Honda and Acura trucks enjoyed a brisk October pace, setting new records for the month with gains of 1.1 and 8.4 percent respectively.

Honda
Honda light trucks enjoyed the largest gains for the month, setting a new October record with CR-V also reaching a record high and HR-V posting a substantial gain. The new Ridgeline also continued to gather strength as inventory continues to grow. Civic remained on pace to post a new annual record while Fit sales jumped in triple digits, and Accord had a strong month with over 25,000 sales in the challenging mid-size segment.

• Honda trucks gained 1.1 percent on sales of 56,573 for a new October record.
• CR-V also set a new October record with an increase of 4.4 percent on sales of 30,306 units.
• HR-V sales climbed 46.5 percent on sales of 6,596 units.
• The best-selling Civic sales crested 26,000 in October to stay on pace for a record year, buoyed by the new Civic Hatchback.
• Fit sales leaped 240.5 percent on sales of 4,641 vehicles, while Accord posted another competitive month with sales of more than 25,000 units.

"The strength of the CR-V in its final days is building great momentum for the upcoming debut of the all-new 2017 model," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president and general manager of the Honda Division. "But unique to the industry, the Honda story continues to be one of balanced strength between passenger cars and light trucks."

Acura
Acura light trucks set a new October sales record, led by the redesigned MDX with a double digit gain, even with 2 fewer selling days in the month. RDX returned to its record ways, surpassing its previous best October (2015) for another new record. The new NSX supercar posted its best month to date as the Performance Manufacturing Center, the exclusive global home for the only supercar made in America, continues to work to meet demand for this customized model.

• Acura trucks climbed 8.4 percent with sales of 8,996 to set a new October record.
• The new MDX posted a gain of 14.7 percent on sales of 5,052 in October.
• RDX had it best October in history, rising 1.4 percent on sales of 3,944 vehicles.

"With sales of the redesigned MDX continuing to gather strength and the all-new NSX earning the Road & Track 2017 Performance Car of the Year award, we are excited about the continued momentum of the Acura brand," said Jon Ikeda, vice president and general manager of the Acura division. "We will continue to point Acura in a strong performance direction."

AZuser

Wow. TLX went from -38.82% in September to -53.02% in October.
ILX sales under 1,000 for 2nd month (in a row). -46.3%
RLX sales broke under 100 again (2nd time this year). -34.5%




Let's see how others did against the TLX....

Only Audi and Infiniti did well.

Sep 2015 vs Sep 2016 : Acura TLX = 4,753 --> 2,908 (-38.82%)
Oct 2015 vs Oct 2016 : Acura TLX = 5,777 --> 2,714 (-53.02%)

Sep : Audi A4 = 2,482 --> 3,457 (+39.28%)
Oct : Audi A4 = 2,896 --> 3,864 (+33.43%)

Sep : BMW 3 series = 9,145 --> 7,432 (-18.73%)
Oct : BMW 3 series = 11,012 --> 5,215 (-52.64%)

Sep : BMW 4 series = 2,726 --> 2,289 (-16.03%)
Oct : BMW 4 series = 3,295 --> 2,853 (-13.41%)

Sep : Buick LaCrosse = 3,880 --> 1,909 (-50.80%)
Oct : Buick LaCrosse = 2,977 --> 2,500 (-16.02%)

Sep : Cadillac ATS = 2,295 --> 1,770 (-22.88%)
Oct : Cadillac ATS = 2,528 --> 1,593 (-36.99%)

Sep : Cadillac CTS = 1,319 --> 1,503 (+13.99%)
Oct : Cadillac CTS = 1,567 --> 1,024 (-34.65%)

Sep : Infiniti Q50 = 3,557 --> 4,359 (+22.55%)
Oct : Infiniti Q50 = 3,811 --> 3,689 (-3.20%)

Sep : Infiniti Q60 = 258 --> 497 (+92.64%)
Oct : Infiniti Q60 = 273 --> 725 (+165.57%)

Sep : Lexus IS = 3,152 --> 2,678 (-15.04%)
Oct : Lexus IS = 2,950 --> 2,523 (-14.47%)

Sep : Lexus ES = 5,195 --> 4,543 (-12.55)
Oct : Lexus ES = 5,426 --> 4,190 (-22.78%)

Sep : Mercedes C Class = 7,660 --> 6,600 (-13.84%)
Oct : Mercedes C Class = 7,283 --> 6,227 (-14.50%)

Sep : Nissan Maximia = 3,871 --> 6,569 (+69.70%)
Oct : Nissan Maximia = 4,903 --> 3,908 (-20.29%)

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

there's just too much competition with Sedans.
Thanks AZuser for the comparo

StealthTL-S

Does anybody have any info on the Baby Nsx rumored to be coming?

TacoBello

It was killed by Trump, since it was going to be built outside of the US.

oonowindoo

Never. since Globalization will be banned.

biker

and was almost overtaken by NSX sales.

StealthTL-S

Haha, I think it was supposed to be built in the U.S. anyway. But, I heard it was going to be a Honda baby NSX , I was hoping Acura baby NSX.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think it's still a go? Baby NSX or new S2k with a 2.0T engine or something.

StealthTL-S

Yea, and supposed to have 300 HP or more with Turbo matched with electric motors like the NSX.

Costco

I would be happy with the omission of the electric motors, as much merit as their inclusion would provide.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I think the motors will be an option? A cheaper version with may be a detuned 2.0T with 280hp or so at about 2800lb. And a sport hybrid version with the same 280hp 2.0T engine plus the motors for may be around 350hp at 3200lb.

oonowindoo

the 350hp, 3200 lbs one might be faster than the NSX

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

haha that would be pretty amazing if that's the case!

StealthTL-S

We have to wait and see about the baby Nsx, but I hope it's Acura, not Honda that comes out with it.

TSX69

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/11/12/acura-hopes-design-changes-boost-sluggish-sales.html

Acura hopes design changes boost sluggish sales

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Acura feels it has established a foundation for future success with its Precision Concept, a prototype introduced in January that includes new design elements, including a “diamond pentagon” grille.

Auto buyers don’t seem terribly interested in sedans these days, and Acura is feeling that lack of love more than many other brands.

The Honda-owned brand’s U.S. sales are down 10.5 percent for the first 10 months of the year, which is a larger percentage decrease than any of its major rivals.

And that is bad news for central Ohio, where most of the sedans are made.

Analysts say Acura’s main problem is that its sport-utility vehicle sales have not risen nearly enough to counterbalance the drop for sedans. This is on top of the long-running criticism of the luxury brand — that it does not have a clear-enough identity.

“Acura has always struggled with its brand, what it stands for,” said Michelle Krebs, a senior analyst for AutoTrader.com.

Honda began selling Acura models in 1986. Current sales of 132,596 units are on track to fall below the performance in recent years, and well below the 2005 high of 209,610.

Running parallel to the discussion of current sales is the debut this year of the new Acura NSX supercar, which is assembled at a specialized plant in Marysville. The NSX’s pricing starts at $156,000, which means it has a limited audience and is more likely to sell in the hundreds than the thousands.

Looking at broader concerns about sales, Acura officials say that current problems are explainable and fixable.

“Of course, we’re never content with things,” said Matt Sloustcher, Acura’s manager of public relations. “This is a long-term game. Over the past year, we’ve put into place long-term, fundamental building blocks.”

Among those building blocks is the Precision Concept, a prototype introduced in January to show some new design elements, including a grille that Acura calls the “diamond pentagon.”

Aspects of the prototype are being integrated into the Acura line. The brand’s top-selling model, the MDX, got the diamond pentagon and other styling updates for the 2017 model, which went on sale earlier this fall.

The new design helped MDX, an SUV, post October sales that were up 14.7 percent from the prior-year month. That was a step toward digging out from what had been a down year for the model.

But MDX’s performance comes with a big caveat. Some dealers have said they couldn’t get enough of the model to meet demand this year. The supply was tight because it is assembled at a plant in Alabama that also makes two Honda models — the Pilot SUV and Ridgeline pickup.

The plant did not have enough capacity to meet demand for all of its models, Sloustcher said. This is one reason that Honda has announced plans to shift some production of the MDX to East Liberty, near Marysville, starting early next year.

But SUVs are not the main problem for Acura. The greatest drop in sales has been for sedans, such as the TLX, which is down 23 percent, and the ILX, down 16.2 percent. Both are assembled in the flagship Marysville plant that also makes the Honda Accord.

TLX is the brand’s top-selling sedan, and the current version was greeted warmly by many critics. And yet, the model finds itself on the wrong side of a trend, with consumers moving away from sedans.

1 of the beneficiaries of the trend has been the RDX, a compact SUV assembled in East Liberty whose sales are up 0.6 percent. It is the only 1 of Acura’s big sellers in positive territory. (The East Liberty plant also makes the Honda CR-V.)

The concern for Acura is that the MDX and RDX need to sell much better to counter the sales declines on the car side.

The brand also would be wise to expand its SUV lineup, said Ed Kim, director of industry analysis for AutoPacific in Tustin, California, a consulting and market-research firm.

1 option would be a U.S. version of the CDX, a subcompact SUV that Acura is introducing in the Chinese market.

“Personally, if I was the one running Acura, I would consider dropping (the ILX sedan) and picking up the CDX,” he said.

As Acura officials see it, the current slump doesn’t look so bad when you consider factors such as discount levels.

“The luxury market has had some very heavy incentives, and that’s not Honda’s game,” said Krebs of AutoTrader.

Other brands, such as BMW, Lincoln and Cadillac, have been more willing to mark down prices, especially in the struggling sedan categories, based on current advertised offers.

It should be noted, too, that the trends hurting Acura are also being felt by other automakers. BMW, with its sedan-heavy lineup, is one of the luxury brands feeling the most pain, with sales down 9 percent.

Sloustcher says Acura will continue to update its designs based on the Precision Concept. He says the shortcomings of 2016 sales need to be understood as being early in this transition.

In other words, stay tuned.

dgearino@dispatch.com
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AZuser

Acura's been saying that for at least the past 10 years. I guess we just need to be more patient with them, like Takahiro Hachigo and Honda management are.

A game that Acura has been playing for almost 31 years now. And brand perception-wise, they still haven't progressed much. 31 years later and Acura is still seen at Honda+

justnspace

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^agreed with you.
it took 10 years to get into this mess.
what makes us/Honda think it will be less than 10 years to do a turn around?

very glad I bought a Used 3G TL
will likely be my last Honda Product