Legend2TL

It's kinda weird there will be two different Acura Integras sold to different markets at the same time.
The US model has different front and rear styling than the Chinese model fro the official pics released so far.

civicdrivr

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They've done it before with the Accord.

SamDoe1

It's just a badge, nothing more. Pretty easy to stick a different badge onto anything you want and call it a new car. Ask GM, they've been doing it for decades.

Edward'TLS

and the Civic too. Before, the Euro Civic's were 5 doors, and the North American Civic's were 4 doors.

civicdrivr

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6MT confirmed:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVAsKANl..._web_copy_link

SamDoe1

So this all but confirms that this will just be a tarted up Civic with an Acura badge. The question will be if they are going to do a version of the Si or have some balls and do a luxury CTR.

00TL-P3.2

Guessing Civic Sport Touring hatchback with an Acura face.

fiatlux

Here's hoping they put the 2.0T+6MT from the CTR into the Type S model, and don't just leave it at the 1.5T+6MT from the Si in the base model. I fully acknowledge that a mid-to-high $40K tarted up Civic Type R will sell like hot doo-doo, but at least that means there (hopefully) won't be ADM. This might just be enough to get me to take back my IS500 deposit.

00TL-P3.2

I'd have to be sure they've dialed out the rev hang. Granted I've only experienced it in a 6MT HRV, and don't remember it at all in the 6MT Accord Sport. Would want to be sure it wasn't there, really didn't like how it made the car drive.
Integra might lure some older (mid-30s to 40s) buyers who remember the cars from when we were first driving, but to sway from the RWD IS500 to a FWD 'Civic' is a big change.

fiatlux

One has a 6MT, the other is an automatic. That itself is huge in my book.

Legend2TL

The Accord was a little different. Honda took one car (Japan/Euro-Accord) and mildly revised it to US as the Acura TSX. One car, two names
Here one name Integra and having what appears to be two different models (China and US) which looks like different front/rear which is fairly inexpensive (injection molded plastic) compared to sheet metal stamping tooling



Curious what the motor will be, 1.5T or 2.0T? Can't see a NA

SamDoe1

I'm almost certain that this is what it is.

I don't think they'd sell a "Type R" motor in a "Type S" car. It would go against their marketing ethos. It's more likely that they sell the 2.0T motor and don't slap any "Type" marketing slogan on it.

00TL-P3.2

^ Agreed.

One could hope, Integra Type S = Si & ITR = CTR

civicdrivr

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We were speaking about the Chinese market "Integra" - which is a badge engineered Civic - that was posted on the last page. Not the upcoming Acura Integra.

civicdrivr

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I'm guessing the base model will be a Civic Sport Touring. I'd like to think that they release a Type S (they're pushing hard on that nameplate so I doubt we'll see the return of the GSR) with the 2.0T, but I don't think it will be lifted straight from the Type R. The Accord 2.0T is more likely so it doesn't completely shit all over the TLX-S.

SamDoe1

The fact that this has a manual is already shitting on the TLX-S...a car that got beat by all of its competitors and then some.

Mizouse

I’d love me an ITR

TSX69

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/10/14/...ra-spy-photos/

2023 Acura Integra looks a little Civic-like in spy photos

It does look a little sleeker, though

Joel Stocksdale
Oct 14th 2021 at 10:35AM

After a couple of fairly revealing teasers, we finally have a good look at what seems to be the real-life 2023 Acura Integra. It comes to us via a member of IntegraForums.com, and, certainly a number of the styling cues match up to the teasers, but we're also detecting a bit of Civic influence. Of course, that wouldn't be a surprise considering the size of the upcoming Integra, or even the model's history.

Up at the front, the Integra is Acura business as usual. It has the hawk-eye headlights and wide pentagonal grille with a sort of starburst grille mesh. The hood has nice creases and curves that flow into the front fascia.

Along the sides are where we see a bit of what seems like Civic influence bleed through, mainly with the greenhouse. The shape of the windows and frames in the doors look very close to those on the Civic hatchback. Even the door-mounted mirrors look similar. But there are aspects that differentiate it. Most notably, there seems to be a diagonal crease that starts low on the front wheel well and rises up toward the rear fenders. It gives the car a lower, more curvy look than the square-shouldered Civic. It also helps add some visual heft to the rear fenders.



At the back, the hatchback design is obvious, and also lends further credence to our theory the car is Civic-based. But obviously it's been majorly tweaked for the Acura. The bottom sill for the hatch looks much higher than on the Civic, and the shut line matches the slender taillights (which seem to be dead ringers for the teaser rendering). All of this helps the tail of the Acura look low and wide, including the location of the license plate in the bumper instead of the hatch.

So it seems like the Integra will be based on the Civic, but with plenty of changes. And that's pretty much how the Integra and even its interim replacement, the ILX, have been. They've all been derived from the Civic, often with major design and mechanical differences. Also, with how excellent we've found the new Civic, it's a great starting point for Acura's new entry-level model. The car will be revealed fully next spring, and we should have many more details then.

civicdrivr

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Yep, badge engineering at it's finest worst.

pttl

So it's a re-named ILX.

oonowindoo

I would be surprised if it is not renamed ILX....

Just change the ILX into a hatch and call it Integra. Give it the same 1.5T as Si and done.

What i am interested is if there will be a real ITR with 6mt.... But we never had CTR before, so ITR was good enough. Now we already have CTR, i am not really sure too many ppl would care about ITR since they will be pretty much the same car.

fiatlux

I for one would be willing to pay $10K more for an Acura version of the CTR (styling, refinement, interior, etc.). The CTR as is looks like the wet dream of a 13 year old.

oonowindoo

Willing and Will are 2 different things... you are not gonna have many takers at close to $50k for a 4 banger ITR...

Especially considering you will have Nissan Z at similar or even lower price.

If i were in the market for cars like CTR and ITR, refinement and interior are on the bottom of my list.... fun to drive, power, engineering and PRICE will be the top 4. I would take 200 lbs of weight saving and $10k $ saving over any refinement any day.

fiatlux

If you're looking for performance and are price sensitive, why would you even consider the Acura version when the Honda one will be undoubtedly lighter and faster?

Legend2TL

Curious if the US Integra will utilize the CTR's front suspension with the dual axis using the double ball joints and fixed strut.

biker

? why would anyone think that the Integra would be anything but a Civic derivative?

SamDoe1

Next gen CTR fixes the crap styling issue.

If this thing is just a tarted up Si then it's DOA already. No one buys the Si as it is lol.

1Louder

I'm reserving judgement until I see it. I don't think it's automatically bad that it might be an upscale Civic. There are two ways that can go, and it's entirely possible it could be very successful. Unless you only play in the luxury market, Acura/Lexus/Infiniti/Genesis are all going to likely share some lineage with their non-luxury starting points. And I don't see anyone accusing the new TLX as being a fancy Accord. We'll know when can see one I think. I'm going to remain hopeful they learned all the bad lessons with the ILX and know enough not to repeat them.

civicdrivr

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They don't call the TLX a fancy Accord because it really doesn't offer anything more.

fiatlux

I think people wish it performed as well as a fancy Accord should.

SamDoe1

They don't call the TLX a fancy Accord because the Accord is actually better.

Legend2TL

AFAIK every Integra and RSX are all Civic chassis based.

oonowindoo

I won't. and that is the point. CTR and ITR are never known for interior and refinement. They are light weight and fun cars.

We didn't have CTR when we had ITR, now we have both, While there are still some buyers for a $45-50k ITR, but i would assume most of the people would still choose the lighter, faster, CTR and $10k cheaper (per your post above)

oonowindoo

These...

TL/TLX used to be the fancy Accord. It is not even good enough to be called that anymore.
How can the top of the line TLX TYPE S.. TYPE S be scared to line up with a $30k economy box 2.0T 4 banger Accord.
And the average 2.0T TLX Aspec is not even good enough to be in the conversation anymore.

1Louder

I did not expect all the TLX hate.

SamDoe1

Speaking of TLX-S, some jack wagon in a TLX-S still with temp tags tried to take me off the line...as soon as I heard him rev up the launch control I knew it was on but pretty sure he didn't see the result coming. Also had someone in a normal (non-QV) Stelvio try the same...not sure what people are expecting but they continue to try and race from traffic lights.

00TL-P3.2

oonowindoo

It is no point.... you dont even have to step on the brake at the light in Model 3... The reaction time itself will make model 3 faster even if everything else being equal...

SamDoe1

Surely it had nothing to do with the extra 150hp and instant electric torque...definitely was the not having to hold the brake bit.

Update for today, roasted a C43 AMG.

civicdrivr

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Off topic - I played with a Model 3 Dual Motor (unsure if Performance) yesterday. We did a handful of 45 to 75-80 rolls. He would get the jump but I'd reel him in by 70, and then he let off like a bitch. I know I'd get destroyed from a dig (shifting FTL) but I really want to have another run from a roll.