KAZAL

Who cares about the pipes the car is going to be a FLAT out PIG 🐖 .. with under 300 RWHP all for a very special price for you of near 60k .. #TypeSAcuarafailure

leomio85

We had this debate back in the summer when the prospective numbers were released. Yes, it's low and will likely not match the performance of its German rivals. I think we all came to a truce about being so negative on the car until actual performance figures are announced and tested.

450 motor is a bit of a stretch though. S4 makes 354, C43 makes 385 and M340i makes 382 ... all slightly underrated, with the M340i being the worst "offender" likely making well over 400, and the C43 & S4 making a few ponies under. It's been speculated that Acura may be underrating the numbers on this motor, but we won't know that until someone actually gets it on a dyno. For the price, if it's underrated, it'll be a decent value compared to the competition while being similarly equipped. Yes, the margin of value has gone down, but Acura has certainly upped its game at least in amenities and overall quality of materials. I'm still under the impression that the Type-S won't run great numbers as its Achille's Heel will likely come from its drivetrain.

The other problem is, the next gen C43 AMG is rumored to be "downgrading" to a turbo-4 that actually pumps out more power, 416HP. You know BMW isn't going to let them hold that crown for very long and will be somewhere in that ballpark.

Time will tell as far as final numbers, performance figures and where they land on pricing.

ELIN

AMG's with turbo 4's will be a sad day. If you have money for an AMG, you're not worried about fuel econ. It's probably to sharpen up the portfolio for the EPA by bringing up the worst offenders.

sonyfever

Type-S is not fast enough. Well, go buy your favorite M340/C43/S5 then. They are all going to cost you more, but according to forum wisdom, if you can afford a 50k cars you can afford a 70k car as well. But just when you drive your shiny german car out of the dealership lot, a Model 3P blasts past you. And that car is not anymore expensive. So may I suggest, your gasoline car is crap because it cannot outrun Model 3?

I like comparisons, but there are many aspects of a car outside acceleration and numbers, and in this age of everything is quick enough, I think the acceleration is less irrelevant.

Shadow2056

Everyone keeps talking about the 355hp and the weight. Honda/Acura have been underrating their power numbers for a while. So until you dyno and drive it, stop talking about how it will drive or accelerate or how another car will beat it. Gets so annoying. Seen too many test where cars with more power getting beaten by cars with lower power numbers.

Kense

My nearly loaded M340i was $60,000 OTD. With a cheap tune you’ll be as fast as a model 3 and it won’t run out of juice. Not the same comparison at all. The M340 handles very well. It’s fast in a straight line, fast on a track too. It’s a very quick all around car.

sonyfever

Don't get me wrong I like M340 and thought about getting one when I was shopping. It feels every bit like a mini F80 M3 but more refined. I just brought up M3P to highlight the acceleration game is irrelevant since below 60mph, nothing reasonably priced can touch M3P. Personally I think M340 handles better than M3P, but the latter's strong acceleration out of a corner can easily mask any handling deficiency.

sonyfever

By the way, let's not use market price for german cars vs MSRP for Type-S, because as seen in regular TLX, the market price falls down quickly and is now more in line with the competitors.

Kense

True

Kense

I’m pretty sure the type s is going to be nearly as expensive as the competition. To the point of it not being worth it. The base TLX will be produced in much larger numbers which will give Acura the excuse to charge ridiculous prices.

fiatlux

Is that really the case? Both the RDX and TLX dyno'd close to what you would expect based on the advertised horsepower numbers, and both performed as expected in terms of trap speed. Ditto with all their previous NA cars too; I don't think Honda has ever had a reputation of under (or over) estimating power figures.

sonyfever

I recall the last generation of port-injection J35 has higher whp than the norm, especially on 6MT cars because 6MT has its own special sauce ECU. Once Honda moved to DI, the J35 dyno numbers came back to.... earth I guess.

Shadow2056

Yep.

The Accord 1.5T and 2.0T both are putting down numbers higher than what the window sticker says. People have been dyno'ing the Accords and finding them to be putting down more than what hand says they're supposed to be. Same with the Type R. I'm thinking the same thing with the Type S. They say it's putting down 355hp crank. But I'm waiting for someone to get it and dyno it. Bet it's putting down that to the wheels. Or at least close to it.

nist7

So....basically people need to stop yelling/bickering at each other until an actual, real-world car is out for testing/dyno/review/etc.

leomio85

But .... then it wouldn't be the internet. =P

neuronbob

Quoted for truth

Shadow2056

Exactly. Especially when no one knows the actual numbers on the car, exactly what features it comes with or even what the car will be priced at. Everyone trying to compare it to cars that are on the road today. Can't take paper numbers for a car that are fuzzy and hasn't even been driven yet against known numbers of cars that have been driven and raced.

TypeS1987

8-10 more weeks fellas!! regional rep told us May.

my guess is still at least 386hp or torque.

E-turbo would be my WISH!!!

bring it Acura. lets gooo! show the haters what its about. DOHC VTEC 3.0L turbo power

Shadow2056

OOOOO!!!!! Can't wait! My wife asked about it last night. Im thinking it might end up putting down 355hp to the wheels. Lol.

One thought I've had is that it won't be a top trim. It'll be more like..a mid range trim. Like the Accord Sport 2.0 is a mid range trim but has some features of the EX model. Maybe it'll have things like navigation and leather. Of course the BBK and bigger motor but not all the features of the Advanced trim.

leomio85

Regional managers know as little as anyone on this board. They're not privvy to any real information.

It depends on how you look at it. It's already been stated by Acura that the Type-S will have all the features of an A-Spec, but with more power. So, you're correct in that it won't be the top trim as far as features ... but the price tag will far exceed the Advance trim. The Type-S is looking like it's going to be priced at mid-high $50k to start.

Speed Guy

This would be a huge mistake if they price the vehicle that high. Lexus just announced the specs on their IS-500F Sport (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...port-revealed/) that will likely be in the high-50s to low-60s. Acura would be very smart to place this car in the LOW 50s. If they start getting much higher, there are just many better options out there.

leomio85

I couldn't agree more. But, the Canadian site changed their pricing from "selling in the high 50k CAD" to "around 60k CAD". What was once prominently displayed on the US Acura website as pricing starting at "low to mid $50k" has now been removed. The writing is on the wall. Being the pessimistic asshole I am, I figure it has to be in the upper $50k range. Otherwise, why take down the pricing? The pricing encompassed mid-$50k, so although people may have grumbled if it were $55k-57k, their advertising technically wasn't misleading ... it's just not what many were hoping for (most keeping their fingers crossed for it to be in the low-$50k range). And we know for certain it's not going to go for less than low-$50k.

So, by deduction, I'm assuming this means they took down the pricing because it would be falseif they kept it up prior to launch (though the "estimated" power numbers still remain). Take it down, wait a few months for people to hopefully forget that they ever even put it up and then presto ... over-promising and under-delivering. The fact that Lexus has released its performance figures as well as basically the entire car, sans pricing, for the IS500 F-Sport shows they're not at all concerned about the Type-S. I'd assume they have little birdies that have been chirping (GoT reference, anyone?) about what's been going on at Acura, as isn't outside the norm in the automotive industry, and it's nothing special. Further, the fact that Acura hasn't released any final numbers from power, to performance times, to really anything else, is another indicator that there's really not going to be anything impressive about this car. Maximize hype right at launch and ride that wave as long as possible. Releasing lackluster product info for people to pick apart for months may sway many potential buyers. So, maximize profits on low sales seems to be the mantra of the TLX Type-S ...

I'd love to be proven wrong and be made to eat a shit sandwich, but I don't think I am.

bilirubin

I was pleasantly surprised when the Canadian website first said "high $50's CAD" as it likely meant low $50's in the US. But the fact they changed it to "around $60k CAD" was a let down as we have no idea what their plan is, if any.

BEAR-AvHistory

What can be one of the Type-S, M340, IS500, competition issues is selling price. M340's base is $55,000 with all the performance items in it. Will not have a lot of the "features" the TLX Type-S might offer for $55,000.

That's at MSRP. The key will be actual selling price. If the Type-S comes in at $55,000 equipped but holds its MSRP as the selling price a M340 which is discounted at the get go - have never bought a BMW where there was not a discount offered as soon as you said you were interested - the missing bits & pieces that the TLX had as an advantage will go away as they could be added into the M340 out of the discounted money with both coming out close to or at the same selling price.

Think the Lexus will not be that effective against the TLX but may be against an optioned out M340 based on their respective selling prices rather than MSRP. Have never really looked at a Lexus so have no idea how their MSRP to selling price works.

AR1978

Has there been any information/leaks on the Type S color combinations? I was hoping for a Blue with the Tan leather interior since I’m not the biggest fan of black. I’m not in any rush though and can’t see myself buying a TLX Type S new.

ELIN

On the official Canadian site, you can see the color combos if you scroll nearly to the middle of the page:

https://www.acura.ca/en/future-vehicles/tlx-type-s

No guarantee it will be the same as in the US but at least it gives you what's possible in reality.

NBP04TL4ME

It's interesting to see on a few occasions, it seems like the Canadian site is updated with more detailed info prior to the US. I'm sure it must have something to do with their Marketing Plan and/or product rollout, but the US is such a larger market and perhaps would have more info sooner?

As for the colors - it looks like according to the Canadian site you can have any color interior you want so long as it is Ebony or Red.
On the US site under Future Vehicles, there is a picture of a lighter colored head rest and seat (ivory??)

Tony Pac

Also, I shared this in a different thread:

Fresh news as of yesterday: As per Acura: "The much-awaited new TLX Type S, available in limited quantities, can be pre-ordered from Wednesday, March 17 at 1 p.m. Enter the date in your calendar to get the chance to discover the peak of precision engineering."

Beaverking

where are you seeing this? Acura’s website and Acura newsroom makes no mention I can find.

pyrodan007

I really hope the "available in limited quantities" is just a temporary thing while they ramp up production. If it's a limited run model, the writing's on the wall for 61K++ MSRP from dealers (versus ~60K CAD per Acura.ca). And one more reason customers may just look elsewhere. It's like they're comparing it to true M/AMG/RS models versus the much more available ones (engine upgrade only, no track options).

dmski

It will be limited for a year or two. Unless, it's a total sales disaster. Obviously they want their initial customers to pay MSRP but this tactics can backfire especially when Germans offer deep discounts.

Honda is asking for premium pricing but how about releasing the damn performance stats already.

Beaverking

performance stats, release date, msrp, anything at this point. Spring is officially in less than a week and we are going off 8 month old information.

ELIN

Tony says more like early summer due to 2 month delay. If this is true, Type S is going to be DOA with nothing to show for it except nicer weather to drive in.

It's already bad enough that you don't see too many 2.0 TLX's on the street but now the Type S will just be another TLX in the mix when it comes out. Only the initiated will know where to scrutinize to differentiate it from my A-Spec. The masses won't know and prob won't care.

GhostTL09

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TLX is flooded on lots right now. There are 1000's of listings. I can't equate no information about the TYPE-S on a production backlog or missing chips. No new commercials or anything. Unfortunately the initial youtube reviews slammed the A-Spec on performance which at the end of the day is a dressed up Base model, so I don't see why people review it as a race car lol. The SH-AWD Aspec can be had for $41 - 43k after taxes and fees because dealers are desperate to move units. I got a quote for $458/36/10k/$0 down lease offer. I imagine that will only get better after the official release of the TYPE-S.

ELIN

There's also a 0% APR financing from Acura right now if you choose to go that route. Deals can certainly be had.

Shadow2056

With people complaining about the 355hp, weight, and threatening to go to other brands, I wouldn't blame them for putting out a limited quantity. Just look at the pages on this forum dedicated to the new TLX and TLX Type S. It's a bunch of people complaining. It's probably just to test the market.

pyrodan007

You can't inject so much money to come out with something that barely matches competition. If they also limit production and jack up prices versus the German's and Korean's current models, people will ignore it and all you're left with is R&D that Honda will for sure use. So Acura becomes a meh brand even after new money is being injected. All that hype to radio silence, for a sports/performance brand that's terrible.

As bad as German's can be, would rather take a tried and tested model versus something brand new. Acura sucks with first year models, just like any other brand. So meh performance on paper, potentially inflated prices and no discounts, unknown reliability, and no customization. You just killed 75% of what people want in this category of cars.

GhostTL09

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The tips should have been encased. There is so much unnecessary gapping between the bumper and diffuser that yes, it looks a bit (RICEY) youngish. If they would have enclosed the design it would seem more cohesive, thus eliminating the "after thought" feel. Perhaps even lift the pipes 2" into the rear of the bumper and start there. Just the little things to differentiate from the A-Spec also.

Tony Pac

Exactly! Again, i am not saying my information is 100% accurate but it comes from a very good source. The plan was to have the Type S by Easter but now it's pushed to May/June. which is about 40-60 days delay.

GhostTL09

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LOL