Nedmundo

FWIW, Car and Driver estimates the 2.0T will start around $35k, and the Type-S around $45k: https://www.caranddriver.com/acura/tlx

B1ackAlloy

hopefully they are right. Acura has to nail the price in order to see the profit of this car. Overpriced and people will look elsewhere. The only people that will pay that much for the Type is is Acura Loyalist. But let’s see what options they offer. But I do agree that the base model of the TLX should be 35k-36k

fiatlux

The PMC is also as fully loaded as you can get for a TLX. Hopefully the Type-S will have a few trim levels to give us consumers more options.

Kense

I agree with much of what you said, however an M340 will cost you $10,000 more and the car is not $10,000 better. Especially when a $400 JB4 gives it the same performance and a $1200 tune will give you better performance . The BMW has a better transmission and LSD which allows for faster times. A quick fix with a cheap tune . The left over money you can fix the suspension and still come out ahead of the BMW. I get it, there are people who will no matter what buy the BMW for prestige etc, but I'd rather save money and it's not like the Q50 is an ugly car.

fiatlux

One thing I'd like to note is that while the 0-60 time for the M340i is amazing, a lot of that comes down to its launch control. For most of us who aren't doing these harsh launches because we don't get to return the car at the end of the day, the 5-60 time is a much better measure of how the car accelerates in the real world from a stop. The M340i is at 4.7 seconds vs 5.0 seconds for the Red Sport, so the discrepancy isn't nearly as large. If you look at the quarter-mile trap speed, it's also 114mph vs 112mph, which isn't too far off. Way too many people overemphasize the 0-60 numbers and are then disappointed when the car doesn't actually feel as fast as that number would suggest. Case in point, the 5 second 0-60 for the WRX sounds pretty fast, but the 5-60 is a whopping 6.7, and it feels every bit as slow as that 6.7 would suggest.

Maybe for a more relevant example: the regular 330i xDrive does 0-60 in 5.2 with a proper launch, whereas the TLX SH-AWD is 5.7. However, we all know that the TLX pulls away harder, and it shows with the 5-60 number, which has the TLX at 5.9 seconds (only 0.2 seconds more from a launched run), while the BMW is at 6.4 seconds (1.2 seconds more than it's launched run).

Nexx

hence why only noobs and car magazines care about 0 to 60 times.... its all about the launch. give me quarter mile, half mile, 0 to 100 to 0, track times over 0 to 60 times to judge a car's performance.

BEAR-AvHistory

Yeah the 5-60 is an interesting number but nobody does much 5-60 in real life. Roll runs are generally from 40mph. They take the standing start out to eliminate the suspension/tire traction factor which to me is "well this car is not engineered as well as this one so lets penalize the car with better traction".

One of the big hype points on the new base Stingray is a 2.8 second 0-60 run. They are geared specifically for this part of a run to break the 3 second limit.

You brought up 1/4 mile trap speed but left out 50ft times which are a key in being successful in winning in the 1/4 mile. Also in the case of the M340/Red 400 the ET spread is 7/10 of a second. At 114mph the M340 its running at about 167ft per second when it hits the line 7/10 of a second before the RED 400.

Measurable differences better number in bold:

(base price: $54,995)
optioned $62,950
Price advantage at MSRP $3870

C/D TEST RESULTS RED 400:
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.3 sec
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec
(Zero to 60 mph without rollout 4.8 sec)
Zero to 100 mph: 10.5 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 22.6 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 112 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 153 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g

(base price: $54,995)
optioned $66,820

C/DTEST RESULTS M340
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.3 sec
60 mph: 3.8 sec
(Zero to 60 mph without rollout 4.1 sec)
100 mph: 9.4 sec
150 mph: 24.6 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec
¼-mile: 12.3 sec @ 114 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 156 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g

You just defined LUXURY the thing Acura has been chasing all these years. Is a $300,000 Ferrari $230,000 better than a $70,000 C8 Stingray? Is a $50,000 TLX a $13,000 better car than a $37,000 Accord?

The JB4 add-on does not wash. They were originally developed for the BMW 3 series, I was a beta tester for the BMW 335is version A BMW JB4 add-on will just increase the spread of the base M340 over the the unmodified M340. Point is why its silly to say I can mod my car to equal or exceed the base of a more expensive car as nothing stops the owner of the more expensive car from modifying his.

You should try to attend a 1/2 mile or mile run someday & see all the cars with base prices over $250,000 that are modified up the wazoo. Shift S3ctor Airstrip Attack has some good vids on YouTube. BMS makers of the JB4 has run a number of the west coast events.


BTW right now you have no idea what the new TLX DOHC V6T will cost. You can get a pretty nice M340 MSRP around $60,000, with the major packages & real time suspension. If Honda was trying to sell a red paint job for $50,000 what will they price the new TLX at.

BTW I have never come closer to paying MSRP less 10%. The Z4 was $12,000 off MSRP after all the deals, rebates etc. The financing packages are very good, I believe they might be one of the best in the industry.

fiatlux

I'm not saying people literally do 5-60, but that when people normally pull away from a stop (i.e. mash the gas as you lift the brakes), that's more representative of a 5-60 start than the 0-60 hard launches (brake torquing, engaging launch control, etc.).

BEAR-AvHistory

I see what you are saying & have no disagreement with it. All I am saying to me,(opinion everybody has one), its not a performance element. I drive off from a light at my comfortable pace, pretty much the same speed regardless if I am driving the COBRA, the Ranger, or something in-between. Only difference car to car or car to truck is how much pedal it takes.

BTW they did a nice job on the new TLX, it should do well on looks alone. Crisp & contemporary. Interesting they went with 3L for the S. For whatever reason thought they were doing a 3.5L

jhb31

The type S will be around $49k. Wait a year and 44K or less when discounted. HP will be right around 350 is my guess as I always thought it would. If will turn some off and those buyers are not the target. While they didn't state HP rating on the S they did on the base and the HP and Torque was almost a 1:1 ratio. If they can get close to that ratio on a 350HP Type S then it will be a nice ride. Maybe not enough for some but with a good trans it will be a nice ride and really the trans will be the key not the HP. People thinking a 60k price on it are nuts as Acura would be if they did that.

Edit: Actually after a year I think 40k may be possible based on how much I got off on my last type S vs sticker.

B1ackAlloy

that is my thinking. I don’t think Acura could really justify the base model being mid 30k and do a whole 25k leap in price. That just does not even make sense in my opinion.

dr/owned

I'm assuming $55k when you add in wheels which will be an optional upgrade. Maybe the tiger eye yellow paint will be a $1k option too...

The better question is whether dealers are going to act Type-R-ish and treat it like a collectible asking $10k over MSRP. There was some seriously stupid buyers spending $40k on a Civic. I've been waiting for this car for the last couple years to upgrade from my Accord, but I don't think I'll go over MSRP.

Honda430

I'm estimating $46,500 for SHAWD A-Spec, $48,000 for SHAWD Advance, and a $4.5K bump to $52.5K for the Type S. If I was buying I'd probably be satisfied with an A-spec. Looks almost as good as the S and fast enough I would think. I drive a 2019 RDX with the same engine. That 4 has more than decent get up and go. Shaving a couple hundred lbs off the weight and getting a bit more aggressive with the gearing should get the 0-60 times down to something comparable to the Accord 2.0. 5.5 - 6.0 seconds. Combined with the A-spec looks that would be good enough for me. Here's hoping Acura this time around gives the A-spec both the heads up display and surround cameras.

Midnight Mystery

I feel like this will be pretty accurate.

fiatlux

I absolutely expect dealerships to tack on a “market adjustment” charge to this when it comes out, especially in markets where Japanese performance cars have a strong following (read: California up and down the coast). I still can’t find a CTR at sticker, and it’s been almost 2 years since it came out. Ditto with the Supra.

JonFo

Given that this new TLX is supplanting the RLX as their top-end sedan (for now), and it is a bigger car than the outgoing TLX, I think mid-50's for a top-end spec model is reasonable.
Entry-level pricing is going to be the tricky part, no guess there from me.

As someone who is seriously considering an RLX SportsHybrid, I'm wondering if the new TLX will soon have a Type-SH variant ?
If I were the product planner, I'd make the Type S an SH from the get-go and only offer two trim options.
One of the biggest mistakes they made with the 3rd Gen RLX was to not make it exclusively SH models. The SH is head and shoulders a better car than the base, but all the early impressions and reviews were formed on the base FWD model.

internalaudit

They may offer two. $5k makes a huge difference to some people here, especially since many here are not used to a lot of German nickel and diming. They don't realize those tri-electric motors with 117 HP (perhaps more for gen2) combined and instant electric torque vectoring will be a good glimpse on how future performance BEVs perform.

Good thing C/D speculated on the hybrid variant and why there's that 7.8 inches of additional space. The batteries on all the 2TLX are now in the rear, just like Toyota hybrids. A lot of these whisper numbers / hunches turn out to be dead accurate.

dmski

NOT HAPPENING, given the current state of global economies. They will ask MSRP for a long time though. Even Civic Type R's barely get discounted years after their release. That's one of the reasons why we got no price details and mum on the horse power numbers. They will not release anything that can potentially deflate the sales until close to the actual release.

leomio85

Type-S isn't being released for another year. By then things will have settled and I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a sizable mark up on the Type S once they hit dealers. The following years, depending on sales, I'd agree that you'd be fortunate to get one lower than sticker ... which is more reason to shop the competitors who will likely be offering good incentives. Get better performance for less money and a more "prestigious" brand name (if you're into that kinda thing).

dr/owned

We'll have to see what production numbers end up looking like. I think Honda did make the CTR "limited"...kinda... It was still thousands of cars but most dealerships were only getting a handful at a time at most, and then it's going/gone out of production (not sure, haven't kept track) after a few years.

Type S is probably going to be more generally available for longer (except maybe some of the cooler colors like blue and yellow) and I imagine MSRP is going to be high enough where most people can't really afford to pay over that anyways, plus tax. Not many people can get a car note for $70k+ like they can for $40k to overpay for a CTR.

dmski

You add a sizeable markup and you're paying same money as S4/C43AMG/BMW340 or maybe even more. How many people do you know will overpay for their Acura when they can get any of these alternatives??? They can get really burned if they play these games and they don't have the brand prestige to fall back on.

leomio85

You underestimate the stupidity of dealerships. There are people charging Ferrari money for a GT500 right now. I stated it on another post ... even with a $5-10k mark-up (not outside the realm of reality when these things first hit showroom floors), you're likely going to be at the competitor's cars price point anyways. By then, ze Germans will likely be running hefty incentives and you'll be able to probably get one close to what the Type-S stickers for anywho. You'd have to be a fool to get a Type S over any of them ... minus the S4 - already priced to what the Type S likely will, and about the same power most likely - but by then, you'll probably be able to get a good discount. Plus, the S4 has a digital gauge that the BMW faithful are actually bitching about. Funny how the crowd looking for more performance hate the digital gauges ... while the Acura crowd cries for it because it's trendy bullshit. Maybe I really do belong in a BMW.

jhb31

I also think it will be in the upper $40's with about 350hp. Sticker doesn't really matter anyway. Once the initial buyers make the purchase I see it going out the door near the end of the first year run in the 42-43K range. Possibly less. Just depends on how sales are going. I got my last type S for almost 7k under sticker as a leftover 07 and it had sat on the lot for months before I finally went back and picked it up. A little patience will pay off. Then again I am hitting 3 years in on my A Spec so I can wait maybe one more year and the itch will need scratching. I just hope they don't leave silver off the list on the Type S. Never understood why the A-Spec at least in the U.S. they didn't offer that color considering its pretty much always in top 3 colors wanted in most cars (black/white/silver).

lowgrowl

I am anticipating the TLX type S will pleasantly surprise everyone. If it has sharp looks, HP in the 325-350 range, all wheel drive, and good low end torque, I can't think of any flaw it would have. Please someone tell me what the German cars it would be competing with (not the M3, RS etc ) would have over it. The TLX would also provide better reliability and lower repair costs. I realize most people lease and return cars before the warranty expires and could care less. But I keep a car a long time. I guess status symbols being important to so many people, dictates that anything other that a German car will simply not do. To me the pleasure of driving and a cars looks come first. The rest is petty nonsense.

Mr Hyde

I'm expecting a price in the mid 50's to possibly higher for a loaded Type-S. With major changes to the engine, and suspension in addition to all the many more components which will be specific not just to the TLX, but to the Type-S itself, their costs, and the selling price will have to go up.
While the engine in a base TLX can, and will be used in other models, not so sure if an MDX, Pilot, etc will see a version of this V6 being talked about unless they can make a modified version that makes financial sense, and that works well for the other platforms. Who knows maybe a Type-S MDX could appear at some point?.

reddogTL

$50,995 (with destination) Over $60K fully loaded with all the naughty bits, upgraded premium wheel option (20-21"), etc.
Considering its a new 3.0T and they brought back brembo brakes, it'll be around $50K i think. The last TL that had brembo brakes i think was the 3G TL. Although The 4G TL SH-AWD 6MT may have had them too.

zenally

Just my thought, but I think Type S will be prices like the RLX since it’s being discontinued. What do y’all think?

CheeseyPoofs McNut

It will likely start higher but we'll see over time what the market will bear. People were purchasing the RLX at a pretty good discount from what I understand.

Speed_Racer

I think this new Precision Purchase program online might eliminate dealer markups. It might be a reason Acura is pushing it beyond the time savings they mentioned in the dealer video. Not sure if it works the other way trying to get better deals off MSRP, but it should address crazy dealer mark ups.

neuronbob

Still miffed that the PMC didn't come in manual form to make it even more special. I would have bought one right away...and I'm not kidding.

BEAR-AvHistory

Anyone know how many of these were sold & at what average OTD price? They were going to build 360 units starting at $49,950.

bryan916

$1 dollar, Bob!

Tesla1856

Thanks for confirming that. Many here seem to think the 272hp 2.0T is not good enough for the this mid-sized sedan. I guess I disagree. After all, it's the largest engine for the Accord-Touring and the only engine for the RDX.

Tesla1856

I too would be interested in a TLX Hybrid (in a few years maybe ? ). However, I thought it would be the 2.0T-Model that gets it. With SH-AWD of course, and might as well make it an Advance.

In Hybrid mode, a 2024 TLX Hybrid Advance should be over 325hp easy.

Not sure where are these motors and batteries are going, but seems like there is more room in the one with the smaller gasoline engine.

Vicious Type S

Be a man! Do the right ting...

George Knighton

I don't know.

We know a lot about the motor, but what do we know about the suspension, other than the double wishbone design?

Are the dampers adjustable? If they are, what method is used and how quickly do they adjust? Static? Dynamic? Automatic?

What kinds of bushings are there, and are they designed specifically to maintain geometry under unusual loads?

Do we have a solid processor for the infotainment system?

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Only a few things I can somewhat answer for you. Double wishbone design has been used in many different vehicles including the 2006 Mercedes ML350 I once had. It was all aluminum, which is what the TLX will use. As with most dampers they are electronically adjusted based on drive modes and other various sensors. In the simplest terms, go into sport mode and the suspension stiffens. Go into comfort mode and the suspension is softer. The main disadvantage of a double wishbone setup, is that it's more complex and costs more to repair. This is my honest opinion, it will handle better than the 1st generation TLX, that's for sure but I think many here are hyping up to a bit much.. I'm sure the bushings used in the control arms will be stiffer. As for the infotainment, i'm sure it's a new system but not 100% sure.

George Knighton

It also takes up more room, which makes it difficult to put into smaller cars and still meet internal crash standards. :-)

The KC2 had arms made of two different metals, if anybody's interested.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

That's likely part of the reason that the TLX is quite a bit bigger than before.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

In fact, the exterior size of the upcoming 2G TLX is very close to that of the 4G TL, even though the interior size doesn't seem to increase much.