KAZAL

So what says you ? I can take the heat and the hate . I believe I am on Acura number 9?
Am I the only one that thinks it's an absolute Joke and smack in the face that they are Bragging about 355 HP?

I have had quite a few different Acuras, mostly Type S. I am 46 yrs old, I am a custom tuner for Diablo And SCT. People , 355 HP AwD with a 10 speed ? THIS car will NOT put 300 hp to any wheel let alone rear .. it will be close after talking to a few people we all agree @290 at the wheels on a cool crisp night FOR NARLY 60k?!
So with that said 55k PLUS for a high 14 second car, the 0 to 60 is going to be laughable at best . Yes, the top end will be OK . But come on Acura, you had a chance to really send a message, You had a chance to set the tone and then some ! loose some of that useless never used Tech BS 87 seat adjustment, touch pad, moon roof., really are we still in 1980 ? Why not have T tops? 4 piston calipers up front ? Another joke 6 pistons is the standard now a days on fronts . Tune it better , open it up MAKE 2 OR 3 MORE LBS OF BOOST Wtf? 55kPLUS? this is what I waited for ?
Anyone wanting the type S would at the very least like to have a low 13 second car , won't even be close . You are going to have to void the warranty with a tune and a huge IC and prob a few other goodies to punch off mid 13 second runs . Sorry , yes it looks awesome but Acura ,you failed the REAL enthusiastic people that want power and Luxury. So, when you are making your first 740.00 car payment and some 25 year old on the highway walks you with a 35k 2018 or 19 charger skat pack .. I can't help but wonder what everyone will be thinking.. Yes, of course there is going to be the very few that puts it in "dynamic" mode and says, hey hun feel this. meanwhile she does not even get planted in the seat .. ACURA it is 2021 with the technology we have this car should be making NO LESS the 450 motor 400-410 wheels .. Sad .failure .I can't believe I waited for this!! JOKE ..

Nexx

I’m pretty sure the 2.0t TLX will do low 14 second 1/4 miles... not sure how you’re figuring high 14’s for a Type S

KAZAL

Just going by many years of tuning and what I ha e seen so far . You do know that they are have problems getting 6 second 60 foot times? I have yet to see one run in the 14s in NJ PA Delaware area . BUT for sake of discussion let's say it runs a 14 .20 or even or a freezing cold crisp evening someone rips off a 13.99 . (Not happening however) if you just dropped almost 60 k . I am just curious , are you happy with getting below 300 hp to the ground? The way they brag about 355 HP is comical in my opinion . People fail to realize the Percentage that is lost through an AWD and then a double whammy of a 10 speed Un aggressive Trans we Re not talking about the Mustang 5.O 10 speed . Can you honestly sit there and say you are happy with 290ish HP for 60k? If so then hey, all the more to you.
again I'm 46 years old not trying to argue just stating I think it's a disgrace meaning the power. And they went cheap on the brakes . Then again like I said people not use to that will get in it and think it's a rocket ship and try to race the first mustang or Charger they see.. people that are use to any type of trq ND HP are going to test drive it and probably bail. The people that are coming from a Honda accord are going to be bored of the car within 3 mos . To get that car even close to a 12.99 you are voiding the warranty . DIABLO is having second thoughts about even releasing a flash for it and that is right from the horses mouth .
Who knows maybe some people like 14 second cars for 60k . I'd prefer a mid 12 for that type of money

F23A4

With all do respect and giving some benefit of the doubt, the Type S has yet to be tested. So let’s just wait a bit before calling time of death.

Jeff Bailey

I’ve ran a string of 14.70’s in the wife’s 2021 A-spec already with terrible traction. The Type-S is going to be quicker than that I assure you. My guess mid-high 13’s quite easily.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

Well - we're certainly getting ahead of the curve on this one...

bilirubin

Just so everyone has it clear, Kazal thinks the TLX Type S's quarter-mile will be slower than the TLX 2.0T.
🙄

Jeff Bailey

Or is that a Typo S?

ELIN

Another Type S speculation thread that is lacking factual information. Let the reviews come in first and then go to town.

04WDPSeDaN

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While this discussion has been beaten to death with the little known facts and a lot of us here do agree with you KAZAL, it's still all speculations. Acura has been secretive about the TLX-S, which at this point seems like they are setting everyone up for another disappointment . They are well known to over hype and under deliver (Thanks Acura PR team). Moving past that, it is possible that the 3.0T engine will be under rated but nobody will know this til it's on rollers. Speaking of rollers, AHC garage put a 2021 FWD TLX on the rollers and by calculations, it's not under rated and about right for what Acura claims. Keep in mind, dyno's and various conditions do play a role in figures but for argument sake, conditions were ideal. Germans are known to under rate their numbers and the biggest offender being BMW with the M340i. The B58 engine is no joke. Moving ahead, the thing I see hurting the TLX-S the most is the drive terrain. As an educated guess, it will likely be programmed to reduce the wear / tear and to obtain the best fuel economy. We can speculate all day long with 0-60 & 1/4 times. I firmly believe it will break mid 13's in the 1/4 mile and a 0-60 time of mid-high 4's. As for aftermarket support, it is non existent at the current moment. There's barely any engine architecture information on this or with the ECU. I wouldn't be the 1st one to grab any tune unless well tested and proven.

Yes, the price point is the other issue for this vehicle. Acura is pricing this where it doesn't belong and that's my opinion. An enthusiast who wants a performance sedan will likely do their homework. Ask any true enthusiast what a performance sedan is and Acura is less likely to be mentioned. What will hurt them even more is if dealerships will mark up on the prices for the type-s. Just last week I saw a local NJ dealership list 2021 civic type-r limited edition for $69,950.. Nearly 70K for a fucking honda civic, please I can't laugh anymore. Acura as of now is struggling selling the TLX and I'm positive the Type-s won't help either. To the person looking for a performance sedan, with specific options and a ton of aftermarket support (more poowwaa, ect), the TLX-S falls short on everyone's list. I could be wrong on all of this. Only time could tell and sooner than later all the facts will be known.

rockstar143

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people buy a performance oriented Japanese sedan from a company with a reputation for reliability for best drag strip runs?

@04WDPSeDaN want to know what that aspec made with the downpipe alone?

rockstar143

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it was yellow, mmmkaayyyyy...pay up!

04WDPSeDaN

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Must be reliable when you're doing launch control from every red light . @rockstar143

As a wild guess (from what I previously said), fwd TLX with a downpipe (EDIT, HF DP is what was installed) 20-30 more whp and 45 wtq? This being the downpipe alone without a tune.

rockstar143

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You're highly underestimating the Honda Engineers!
I don't think numbers on paper add up to fun to drive...
at some point it ends up being a dick measuring contest and not usable.
I think Honda realizes that. In day to day traffic, what they are putting
out is more than adequate. I had 600hp and now 400hp and honestly
the 400 is more fun to drive.

kuzdu

This is just my opinion and why I left Acura but I think you are right. This car will not out perform a lot of competitors and especially the B58 like 04WDPSeDaN said. 355hp with a 4k plus lbs car awd and big wheels, 290 hp sounds about right to the wheels. The Price that will be paid for the Type S will be outrageous to, take the money and get what I got an M240 or even the 340 you will be smiling every time you drive. Gas milage in comfort mode is just like 4cyl car that’s amazing. I still love Acura and own the RDX but they need to really make some big changes to accommodate the crowd that has left and to attract some new drivers.

Tony Pac

lol!

BEAR-AvHistory

Into the WAG game Type : 0-60 - 4.4 seconds (roll out). 1/4 mile 13.5 @ 104mph.

djhtsx

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The Audi S5 sport back has a similar weight with a similar horsepower and has been benchmark with the type S. It should have the same performance.

o4Komodo

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Sure numbers are a little lacking but that reveals nothing about the characteristics of the car.

For example how it handles on the track or how the power band feels.


Check the new accord. That thing is surpisingly quick.

Check the 3G TL. It handled itself incredibly well against a g35 and 350z.

Point is... Power numbers isn't everything.

Kense

Judging the new MDX commercial where they are driving it on a track with a driver in full race gear I’m expecting the type S to be a 0-60 in 3 seconds car.

KAZAL

so you think the Tyoe S will be more then a full second faster ? With an additional 70 plus HP ? Again Not arguing at all just wondering what people are thinking. That's a lot of time to pick up a full second requires more then a 100 HP . But hey I hope I am wrong so wrong . .but can I ask you if you are correct and it clicks off a 13.60 .would you be happy with that for that kind of money ?

KAZAL

well said .. I am willing to bet it does not put 300 to the wheels .. it's mechanically impossible with AWd and that specific 10spd

KAZAL

sorry if it's been beat to death I am also in the military and ha e been away for some time ..

KAZAL

if the numbers are true it's not speculation..it's facts . Hope they are lying, maybe ? About HP and Trq numbers

KAZAL

lmfao..3 seconds?. Your being funny I take it ?

KAZAL

yep .. that car will run mid 14s at best . With Trans and AWD .amazing how people are quick to be critical but have zero experience in tuning or track Dyno time , do you Know Anything about that 10nspeed?I I do..youbkniw how much power you loose by AwD and that type of 10nspeed I do . If ..IF it really has 355 hp the 60bfoots are going to be a JOKE. Lets see . This thread isn't going anywhere . And I am not God willing .

KAZAL

I agree just doing the math maybe they are lying about actual final numbers . I sure hope so

KAZAL

By the way I saw you said NJ , I have tuned both at Laroccas Many yrs ago, also Radical Racing - Craig Radovich depending on my military duties ,I have been with Radical since 1999, Diablo Knows the Turbo as does Bullseye ,wild Bill Devine and they also are familiar with Trans etc and they are saying it is not going to hold peak boost or near peak boost for the first 900 to 1100 feet . That is why I am saying along with the awd yes , the quarter mile times are NIT going to be a full second faster then the A spec. No way. However it's gonna pull nice from 80 on up.. BUT, let's see .. I have seen quite a few TLXs struggle to click 14.90s .maybe ,hopefully a tweak or update will be done if they get the sense it's gonna be a Bust . I am just going off of math percent of loss etc ..

rockstar143

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I very much agree.

04WDPSeDaN

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Apparently I did

Truth is, as car guys, is 400 REALLY enough

Once you go B58, you never look back

No worries! Thank you for your service!

I totally agree with you and this is coming from someone who DOES admire Acura, WORKED for Acura and owns a pristine TL which is boosted and a 6MT. I own other vehicles and have technically moved on, I can't justify the cost of this vehicle with the fact that it won't out perform it's competition. Acurazine accounts for such a tremendously small % of Acura enthusiasts. A majority of members here have moved on from Acura. A rare few are still loyal to the brand, for their own reasons. There's a fine line of accepting the facts or being delusional. At the end of the day, several members here will own a TLX-S. Over time more of them will be bought in the used market. By that time, there will be aftermarket support and plenty of options. Full A-spec kit, mild drop, nice wheels and maybe CF add-on's and they TLX will look incredible and will grab a lot of attention. IF there's a 3rd gen TLX, hope Acura will advance to the next stage and match the performance / options to the price tag.

ELIN

Speculation is on the part of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. We will know when we know.

HP/torque numbers have been known since summer. Note that officially they're still estimates and Acura reserves the right to make them better.

It's a bit worrisome that the estimates were based on the weight of the car when it was lacking most of the Advanced trim's features. Adding some luxury features will only make it heavier so I don't expect them to magically come back!

Here's the recap from the summer in case you missed it:
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

nist7

So it seems to me what you prioritize as performance in an enthusiast car are

• horsepower
• 0-60
• quarter mile time
• overall straight line speed

In that case Mopar is certainly your kind of vehicle.

But yeah.....why wouldn't everyone just buy a Charger Scat Pack for 35k..I don't understand it either....so much performance for so cheap!

Kense

Those things matter. Not just for drag racing, it’s why every manufacturer publishes that information because it can determine many things such as how fast you get up to speed out of a corner etc.

Theres too many excuses on here for Acura pretending those figures don’t matter. They do , 99% of people are not taking an Acura to the track or any car for that matter. So yes those times matter.

nist7

I never said they don't. Obviously they do and is part of a peformance vehicle metrics. And believe me, I WISH Acura could also compete in the HP wars and have a M340i competitor.

I was responding to OP's claim that no matter what else...he is prioritizing HP/0-60/1/4 mile times ABOVE OTHERS. So he's looking to go the fastest in a straight line for the cheapest cost...hence his implication that he'd embarrassed if a $35k car walked him on a highway roll.

Transmission and engine and tire tech have come along way so 355hp in 2021 certainly is way "faster" than 355hp in 2011/2001/1991/etc. But at the same time competition is fierce.

Again, different people prioritize different things. I definitely love a nice fast acceleration, who doesn't? Some people live for straight line speed above all else (See Hellcat/Scat Pack/etc. sales) others not so much.

If you're complaining that Acura doesn't make Scat Pack competitors..you've started on the wrong foot already. Honda/Acura is a known entity...when has Honda/Acura EVER won or go toe to toe with the Americans or Europeans for HP/straight line speed? He claims to have been loving Acuras / Hondas for many years....but now complains about low hp/slow straight line speed? Integra Type R, S2k, NSX 1st gen, Civic SI/Type R/TL Type-S/CRX/etc./etc.....ALL those were not meant for pure HP/straight line speed...and yet people still loved them.

We don't bash people for spending $25k on a S2k when you could get so much more HP/0-60 by buying a C5 Z06. Why would anyone buy a "slower" straight line car for the same money when you can buy much faster car with more hp/0-60? Or why spend $30k on a brand new Miata when you can buy a Ecobooost Mustang and dust it in the HP/0-60/1/4 mile category?

HP and 0-60 matter. Of course. But car enthusiasm is more than JUST hp and 0-60. Not to mention he already is proclaiming that the new TLX-S will be "laughable" in 0-60 and a 14-second 1/4 mile car...wish I had a crystal ball like that.

MDXAccord

Just get a Tesla Model 3 Performance and be done with it.

PredatorWH

Not offered in awd

Legend2TL

HP is almost always published, Acceleration, mostly not published from a cursory glance

Both Lexus and Acura do not publish acceleration or top speed performance info for their mainstream vehicles, Acura does top speed for the NSX but that's it.
Even the Civic Type R and it's limited edition have no acceleration or top speed on Honda's site yet they have no trouble selling every one made.

The German's typically publish 0-60MPH and top speed (governor limited and sometimes ungoverned), have never seen 1/4 miles.
GM? Corvette and Camaro have 0-60 and top speed, no 1/4 mile, other Chevy vehicles no acceleration or top speed.

jjsC5

My BMW is rated at 335 HP and all the tests have it at 13.0-13.1 at 109 mph and 0-60 around 4.6. Yes, I know that BMW always gets a lot out of their power rating, but the point is....let’s wait and see.

Kazal has a few errors in his first post. And he has 13 posts in 14 years of membership here and he comes on to bash the shit out of a car that is not even for sale yet.

Tony Pac

This is AcuraZine for you my friend! sadly

Edward'TLS