Acura TLX Type-S PMC Edition - Official Reveal
10-07-2022, 09:56 AM
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It's very simple to understand, C&D writers/editors make comments on particular vehicles in their articles quite often, so do their readers hence the reason to distinguish the difference between the media and their reader's comments.
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10-07-2022, 10:00 AM
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It would’ve been nice to have a LBB in a base Type S model without paying a premium for the bells and whistles of CF and body kit package.
What type of issues did you have with the light interior? I don’t have much experience first-hand with white Milano leather. I was a bit worried with jeans staining them but luckily I use scrubs for work. I see that users are noticing fade already in their red leather but so far nothing on the white interior.
What type of issues did you have with the light interior? I don’t have much experience first-hand with white Milano leather. I was a bit worried with jeans staining them but luckily I use scrubs for work. I see that users are noticing fade already in their red leather but so far nothing on the white interior.
No fade in my red interior but my car is mostly garaged.
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10-07-2022, 10:02 AM
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It’s like damn they’re building 300 of a car that there’s obviously a market for. Can’t understand why so many people are so jerky about this. As to price, I and others have walked through this, if you were inclined to put the list of accessories on your Type S the MSRP would be $60.4K US without taking into consideration the carbon fiber front lip that would probably add another $800 to the cost. Even if the cost comes in at $64K I’d be hard pressed to say it was anywhere near a rip off. Granted for those folks that abhor appearance packages I completely understand why they see it as a waste. However, for those folks who want a unique ride it could be viewed in some ways as a bargain. Have you seen the way some folks have modded their Type S? I’ve seen photos with what I have to guess are a $10K set of rims.
I mean, just look at this precision craftswoman in her lab coat assembling the interior at the PMC plant. Acura couldn't figure out the logistics of having other color interior on hand to be put in 100 cars to be built during a month period? The only real color that would be "difficult" would be the blue, since it goes with everything. If you got the Curva Red with red interior, you should be admitted into an insane asylum. The P130R White with Orchid (though my favorite interior color) just looks weird (this is what I test drove the base Type-S in), seeing as the Orchid is an off-white. Long Beach Blue ... my guess is the most popular colors would be the Orchid then Red interiors.
And just to piss off the defenders, go over to BMW and see how many options you get for interiors on assembly-line built, run-of-the-mill M340i's. I'll save you the time ... it's 9 different interiors choices (though only 5 different actual colors). S4 has 7 different options (3 different colors, rest are different stitching).
You're building ultra-limited, hand built units and you can't even give the option of other color interiors despite offering them in the standard line-up. Yea, I'm not folding on this. If they can't figure this out, Acura absolutely sucks at cars. It's likely the same reason Honda is getting their absolute shit kicked in worse than any other manufacturer with the chip shortage.
Heck, I remember the new CTR reveal the comments were mainly positive, with the caveat of everyone berating the scumbag dealers who are undoubtedly going to rape whatever sticker price Honda puts on it. That and a lot of people didn't like the rear wing (I'm personally a fan). There's never going to be a comment section 100% positive (even the C8 Z06 some idiot was screaming that the flat plane V8 was a stupid idea and it won't last 30k miles), but you can gauge when people are mostly positive or negative towards a particular product.
10-07-2022, 10:05 AM
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just to give you my perspective, I think Germans make great cars but I am just too hesitant to buy one. I really don't trust their reliability. But I test drove in June 2022 the M340i. I will be honest it's an amazing machine, it has more than 385HP for sure. It's a rocket lol!
but handling wise, I liked the TYPE S and I believe the comfort level in TYPE S is also superior. M340i is just a fast machine.
but handling wise, I liked the TYPE S and I believe the comfort level in TYPE S is also superior. M340i is just a fast machine.
I personally would be driving an S5 now, but I too are worried about problems that are usally associated with German cars. Too be honest though reliability is no longer a sell when 75% of cars these days are only as good as their electronics, which can be a crap shoot for any brand. Im going into this with the mentality if it hits the right buttons do it, deal with anything else that may or may not happen latter.
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10-07-2022, 10:14 AM
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No matter what the comments say, good or bad, $51K for the Corolla is completely bonkers and dealers will also mark them up.
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10-07-2022, 10:54 AM
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Your feedback on the M340 is what most are reporting, but most magazines are still calling it the best handler in the class along with the Cadillac as well so IDK, maybe they dont consider TLX in same class. I did test drive the Type S around this time last year. Was able to get an S4 right after and I think the TLX was the better car, but didnt feel as fast. My issue I had with the Type s it felt hyped up on initial acceleration or iddle but quickly ran out of speed. I didnt get that push you into the seat feel because the power delivery is so linear. The car was Apex blue and the dealer had it ceramic coated and man was it a looker. It had the Orchid seats which I like the color theme especially on the PMC with blue stiching, but cleaning would be a nightmare I would imagine.
I personally would be driving an S5 now, but I too are worried about problems that are usally associated with German cars. Too be honest though reliability is no longer a sell when 75% of cars these days are only as good as their electronics, which can be a crap shoot for any brand. Im going into this with the mentality if it hits the right buttons do it, deal with anything else that may or may not happen latter.
I personally would be driving an S5 now, but I too are worried about problems that are usally associated with German cars. Too be honest though reliability is no longer a sell when 75% of cars these days are only as good as their electronics, which can be a crap shoot for any brand. Im going into this with the mentality if it hits the right buttons do it, deal with anything else that may or may not happen latter.
Well said and I agree with you. At the end of the day, it's a personal preference too. I never drove a S4 for an extended period of time to judge but I have I find M340i is a great car. Again, handling, I give it to TYPE S. Especially, around the corners and curvy roads. It feels so amazing and safe.
10-07-2022, 10:57 AM
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After all, it's a Corolla...c'mon! What's $50K lol!
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10-07-2022, 11:15 AM
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$51K is for the track focused limited edition Morizo Edition of which there will only be 200 of. Might as well claim that the STI was overpriced because the S209 special edition was $64K, or that the RC-F was overpriced because the Track Edition is $98K. The "regular" GRC that everyone will be getting is $37K. That's not a bad price at all for a 300hp AWD hot hatch.
10-07-2022, 11:20 AM
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Folks who have an issue with a $51k Corolla should also have an issue with a $65k TLX Type S PMC. Otherwise, it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Anyone else pick up on the "low to mid $60,000" pricing on the reservation site?
Anyone else pick up on the "low to mid $60,000" pricing on the reservation site?
10-07-2022, 11:35 AM
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I for one an appalled that Honda is trying to sell a 200hp Civic Si for $55K. Man, the Civic Si is such a ripoff; the Integra is way better. Acura is on fire! At $37K it's a steal compared to $55k for a Civic.
</Acura Stan>
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10-07-2022, 12:53 PM
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I get it ... and don't forget they make a sizable profit on those added appearance options you get from the dealer. But, that still doesn't discount my point that for 100 units per color, being released on three separate dates, being done thru reservations, it's absurd that you can't pick at least the interior color choice.
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10-07-2022, 01:18 PM
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The first time you noted this I considered it a bit petty. Then I thought about it and I now agree with you. They're pretty much building the damn car to spec so giving the buyer the choice between the three available interior colors would seem like a very easy thing to accommodate. In addition barring some capacity limitations in the PMC shop why only build 300 cars. I actually think there's a market for a tricked out carefully built Type S with high quality paint. I can't see there being a real collectors market for the car so why not make 1,500 of them and bring down the overall manufacturing cost somewhat.
10-07-2022, 03:16 PM
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The first time you noted this I considered it a bit petty. Then I thought about it and I now agree with you. They're pretty much building the damn car to spec so giving the buyer the choice between the three available interior colors would seem like a very easy thing to accommodate. In addition barring some capacity limitations in the PMC shop why only build 300 cars. I actually think there's a market for a tricked out carefully built Type S with high quality paint. I can't see there being a real collectors market for the car so why not make 1,500 of them and bring down the overall manufacturing cost somewhat.
And heck, why not be able to mix and match while we're at it. These are all already available, it's simply about installing them. For 100 builds a month, I don't see why not. Again, it would allow for some customization and added uniqueness ... it would make the overall buying experience feel more premium and exclusive.
And hey, while we're at it, add the option for black wheels as has historically been the color of PMC wheels. I think the bronze wheels look OK on white, but not a huge fan on the blue and red.
10-07-2022, 03:21 PM
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Hm, interesting point. I guess we'll know for sure next year if the PMC units increase due to the NSX being out of production. There were 360 '21 RDX and 200 '22 RDX PMC units.
10-08-2022, 12:22 PM
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*OFFICIAL* The 2023 Acura TLX Type S PMC is STUNNING - but it'll cost you...
10-08-2022, 04:41 PM
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It's true....it's so beautiful and awesome but the price is too high at least for me. Acura nailed the design. Beats every car in the segment. Acura should give huge bonuses to their design team. Since 2019,they are just producing one after another stunning cars.
10-08-2022, 09:35 PM
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(which I don't find too surprising as the TLX Type S is already a unicorn here).
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10-10-2022, 11:49 AM
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Those reservations online mean F*CK ALL because at the end of the day, you'll still have to go through your local dealer who will rape you with ADM. I find all these online orders hilarious, from Acura, GM, Ford, etc. It doesn't matter if its TLX PMC or 1SS 1LE 6MT or Mach 1, you CANNOT avoid local dealer who has the final say and absolute freedom to do WHATEVER they want with the price.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
10-10-2022, 01:03 PM
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Those reservations online mean F*CK ALL because at the end of the day, you'll still have to go through your local dealer who will rape you with ADM. I find all these online orders hilarious, from Acura, GM, Ford, etc. It doesn't matter if its TLX PMC or 1SS 1LE 6MT or Mach 1, you CANNOT avoid local dealer who has the final say and absolute freedom to do WHATEVER they want with the price.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
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10-10-2022, 01:52 PM
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Those reservations online mean F*CK ALL because at the end of the day, you'll still have to go through your local dealer who will rape you with ADM. I find all these online orders hilarious, from Acura, GM, Ford, etc. It doesn't matter if its TLX PMC or 1SS 1LE 6MT or Mach 1, you CANNOT avoid local dealer who has the final say and absolute freedom to do WHATEVER they want with the price.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
The only REAL online ordering without BS is Tesla, period. Which is why they're always being dragged through the courts by the dealership cartel lobby.
10-11-2022, 08:26 AM
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Actually Genesis as well. My buddy ordered a GV70 and when it arrived, the dealer called him and there was zero add-ons. (In Canada, you cannot do ADM) but dealers can push accessories and bs. But with Genesis, honestly nothing! I was impressed by the service The only thing is my buddy changed his mind on the day of signing. He backed out and did not feel paying almost $70K CAD for it. He went ahead and got am X3!
10-11-2022, 08:55 AM
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Canada doesn't count, they have consumer laws to protect, well, consumers. In USA we have laws that protect dealerships. Big difference.
All ordered by friends of dealership owners who will sell it to their buddies at the dealership for a cut and that dealership will then sell it for 100% mark-up. Local Acura by me did this with an Integra 6MT, had someone buy it and sell it back to them and then add $20K ADM "used" with 2 miles on the odometer.
All ordered by friends of dealership owners who will sell it to their buddies at the dealership for a cut and that dealership will then sell it for 100% mark-up. Local Acura by me did this with an Integra 6MT, had someone buy it and sell it back to them and then add $20K ADM "used" with 2 miles on the odometer.
10-11-2022, 11:06 AM
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All ordered by friends of dealership owners who will sell it to their buddies at the dealership for a cut and that dealership will then sell it for 100% mark-up. Local Acura by me did this with an Integra 6MT, had someone buy it and sell it back to them and then add $20K ADM "used" with 2 miles on the odometer.
I get it with the PMC model though. I wouldn't pay the extra for the PMC at projected MSRP. I'd eat a bullet before spending even more than that (or simply buy an M3/RS5 [I'm not a fan of what M-B did to the incoming C43]). But, maybe I'm just cheap.
10-11-2022, 02:05 PM
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How does that make any sense? The fact that it was second-hand should have devalued the car if anything, especially for something that isn't a limited production. Maybe if it was the first one off the assembly line? I get the fact that certain people want to be "first on the block" ... but how does the dealer make more by doing this scheme that just having it marked up from the get-go and selling it brand new?
I get it with the PMC model though. I wouldn't pay the extra for the PMC at projected MSRP. I'd eat a bullet before spending even more than that (or simply buy an M3/RS5 [I'm not a fan of what M-B did to the incoming C43]). But, maybe I'm just cheap.
I get it with the PMC model though. I wouldn't pay the extra for the PMC at projected MSRP. I'd eat a bullet before spending even more than that (or simply buy an M3/RS5 [I'm not a fan of what M-B did to the incoming C43]). But, maybe I'm just cheap.
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10-11-2022, 05:02 PM
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However I still believe the base Type-S is a fantastic daily driver purchase at MSRP or slightly less.
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10-11-2022, 07:43 PM
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just playing devil's advocate. so its not ok for the dealership to sell it at what the market is telling them it is? after all, it is a Manfacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price right? No consumer was complaining that they should pay just MSRP when they were selling for less right? So its not ok for a dealership to charge what the market say it should sell for but its ok for the consumer to buy it at MSRP then sell it for a profit?
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10-11-2022, 11:57 PM
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just playing devil's advocate. so its not ok for the dealership to sell it at what the market is telling them it is? after all, it is a Manfacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price right? No consumer was complaining that they should pay just MSRP when they were selling for less right? So its not ok for a dealership to charge what the market say it should sell for but its ok for the consumer to buy it at MSRP then sell it for a profit?
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10-12-2022, 06:46 AM
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Free market speculation is one thing, but to say "well, customers are flipping these cars for a profit, so I should be able to effectively do the same" is a bit morally suspect, especially since dealerships effectively control the supply. Should dealerships be allowed to sell at whatever price they want? Sure, that's the free market. But automakers should also be allowed to sell directly to consumers to bypass the dealerships as well. Also, dealerships can do this at their own risk; hopefully customers remember who were the price gougers and who weren't, and vote with their wallets in the future. I already have a list of which dealerships I'll never do business with no matter how low their prices are, and that list is only getting longer.
10-12-2022, 08:05 AM
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I was with my cousin in December 2021 at the Lexus dealer. I have never seen a bunch of unprofessional dudes, who were trying to nickels and dimes with us. My cousin paid $84K CAD for his car cash and they were treating us as we bought a $2K second hand car. That said, I am sure we are not the only ones who experienced that. Most dealers are taking advantage of the situation.
10-12-2022, 08:18 AM
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It's never fun to visit a dealership....It's always the same song and dance. I am very lucky to have an amazing rep at my Acura dealership and the director of sales treats me very well. But still, never enjoy walking to any dealership. I don't want to insult anyone, but there is always something and "miscommunication" and etc.
I was with my cousin in December 2021 at the Lexus dealer. I have never seen a bunch of unprofessional dudes, who were trying to nickels and dimes with us. My cousin paid $84K CAD for his car cash and they were treating us as we bought a $2K second hand car. That said, I am sure we are not the only ones who experienced that. Most dealers are taking advantage of the situation.
I was with my cousin in December 2021 at the Lexus dealer. I have never seen a bunch of unprofessional dudes, who were trying to nickels and dimes with us. My cousin paid $84K CAD for his car cash and they were treating us as we bought a $2K second hand car. That said, I am sure we are not the only ones who experienced that. Most dealers are taking advantage of the situation.
10-12-2022, 10:51 AM
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10-12-2022, 11:04 AM
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How does that make any sense? The fact that it was second-hand should have devalued the car if anything, especially for something that isn't a limited production. Maybe if it was the first one off the assembly line? I get the fact that certain people want to be "first on the block" ... but how does the dealer make more by doing this scheme that just having it marked up from the get-go and selling it brand new?
I get it with the PMC model though. I wouldn't pay the extra for the PMC at projected MSRP. I'd eat a bullet before spending even more than that (or simply buy an M3/RS5 [I'm not a fan of what M-B did to the incoming C43]). But, maybe I'm just cheap.
I get it with the PMC model though. I wouldn't pay the extra for the PMC at projected MSRP. I'd eat a bullet before spending even more than that (or simply buy an M3/RS5 [I'm not a fan of what M-B did to the incoming C43]). But, maybe I'm just cheap.
10-12-2022, 08:32 PM
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It's never fun to visit a dealership....It's always the same song and dance. I am very lucky to have an amazing rep at my Acura dealership and the director of sales treats me very well. But still, never enjoy walking to any dealership. I don't want to insult anyone, but there is always something and "miscommunication" and etc.
I was with my cousin in December 2021 at the Lexus dealer. I have never seen a bunch of unprofessional dudes, who were trying to nickels and dimes with us. My cousin paid $84K CAD for his car cash and they were treating us as we bought a $2K second hand car. That said, I am sure we are not the only ones who experienced that. Most dealers are taking advantage of the situation.
I was with my cousin in December 2021 at the Lexus dealer. I have never seen a bunch of unprofessional dudes, who were trying to nickels and dimes with us. My cousin paid $84K CAD for his car cash and they were treating us as we bought a $2K second hand car. That said, I am sure we are not the only ones who experienced that. Most dealers are taking advantage of the situation.
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10-12-2022, 08:38 PM
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just playing devil's advocate. so its not ok for the dealership to sell it at what the market is telling them it is? after all, it is a Manfacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price right? No consumer was complaining that they should pay just MSRP when they were selling for less right? So its not ok for a dealership to charge what the market say it should sell for but its ok for the consumer to buy it at MSRP then sell it for a profit?
10-12-2022, 10:42 PM
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I personally would be driving an S5 now, but I too are worried about problems that are usally associated with German cars. Too be honest though reliability is no longer a sell when 75% of cars these days are only as good as their electronics, which can be a crap shoot for any brand. Im going into this with the mentality if it hits the right buttons do it, deal with anything else that may or may not happen latter.
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10-13-2022, 04:20 AM
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So does the Acura "reservation" actually mean anything for PMC or is it like:
"Here pay $2k or whatever deposit so you can have the privilege of a dealer charging you ADM anyways".
I guess I'm not sure what the point of the reservation system is if you're going through a dealer anyways. (And rather shamefully for the car industry I haven't bothered to follow to closely since it's a hopeless endeavor right now. I'll wait another year for the lots to be stuffed and them willing to do anything to sell me a car)
"Here pay $2k or whatever deposit so you can have the privilege of a dealer charging you ADM anyways".
I guess I'm not sure what the point of the reservation system is if you're going through a dealer anyways. (And rather shamefully for the car industry I haven't bothered to follow to closely since it's a hopeless endeavor right now. I'll wait another year for the lots to be stuffed and them willing to do anything to sell me a car)
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10-13-2022, 06:45 AM
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So does the Acura "reservation" actually mean anything for PMC or is it like:
"Here pay $2k or whatever deposit so you can have the privilege of a dealer charging you ADM anyways".
I guess I'm not sure what the point of the reservation system is if you're going through a dealer anyways. (And rather shamefully for the car industry I haven't bothered to follow to closely since it's a hopeless endeavor right now. I'll wait another year for the lots to be stuffed and them willing to do anything to sell me a car)
"Here pay $2k or whatever deposit so you can have the privilege of a dealer charging you ADM anyways".
I guess I'm not sure what the point of the reservation system is if you're going through a dealer anyways. (And rather shamefully for the car industry I haven't bothered to follow to closely since it's a hopeless endeavor right now. I'll wait another year for the lots to be stuffed and them willing to do anything to sell me a car)